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    I liked this episode. Despite the fact that Cameron made incredibly abysmal choices of pokemon (having Ferrothorn against Pignite and Swanna against Pikachu), the battle went very well so far and I was impressed with Hydreigon's power.
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    So far, I've actually really been enjoying Ash and Cameron's full battle a lot more after seeing how much fun they're having! C: You can really get into it after seeing how pumped up those two are.

    Oh man, I'm way too positive... ._.; Its still a lot more enjoyable than before, that's for sure! :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orton155 View Post
    Personally I don't think the battle was as bad as people make out. The silly decisions made my Cameron should not be a surprise to you considering what you saw in previous episodes so all the pokemon choices and the 5v6 thing doesn't surprise me as I became accustomed to it. The action within the battle was enjoyable too. It made sense that hydreigon took three pokemon to take it down because it was so powerful and you can say the same for Pikachu on Ash's side. The final battles contained/will contain Riolu/Lucario which should result in a exciting end.

    Overall, the only thing that annoyed me during this battle is there was a lack of ebb and flow between the two opponents. At the start it was all Cameron, then it was all Ash and then it has equalled towards the end.

    Anyway, on to the next one!
    You don't get it.

    No one likes that only Pikachu and Pignite got wins.

    Especially since that means Oshawott/Snivy/Boldore/Unfezant didn't get any wins at the league.

    At least Leavanny's loss was excusable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ash&Pikachu-Fan View Post
    So far, I've actually really been enjoying Ash and Cameron's full battle.
    Give a detailed explanation why this is a full battle in your eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ciccone View Post
    Lol, my sister was looking forward to the Unova League (she only watches the show during Leagues) and she was so hyped for it but this morning she came running into my room to rant about it.
    Haha, didn't we all do this?

    I made the mistake of hyping myself about it from the very end of DP thinking about how good the next League would be and whether it would top all of the other leagues. Never doing that again as it turned out to be the biggest letdown i've experienced in the anime. Seriously, besides Ash vs Stephan and the Pikachu vs Lucario matchup, it was horrendous and i'm ashamed to think it was cut short. I think i'd even go as far as saying the first Club Battle was better (and had more battles lol).

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    I didn't think it was possible to make a League battle less interesting. This was just boring to watch, from Hydreigon owning most of Ash's team, too neither Ash nor Cameron using any stagey and just going at it until one Pokemon fainted. But I guess this is what happens when you don't make Trip interesting, then halfway near the end of the series you introduce the idiot savant character as a new rival who gets everything handed to him. Also Ash seems to have forgotten that Snivy knows ATTRACT, why didn't he use Attract on Riolu bam match won.
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    Great episode. really loving the quick pace of the battles. really fun to watch!

    poor Cameron brining onlt 5 pokemon to the battle lol


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    Watching this battle in English actually brought my love for Unova to drop reallyyyyy low. It's just so annoying thinking about Pignite versus Samurott. Even if Samurott was a grass type, idk why Ash would have kept it in battle after all of that. Also hate the fact that Unfezant didn't get to win a battle. They might as well have given one of Pikachu's or Pignite's wins to Unfezant, so that getting taken down by Unfezant so easily would not have been as disappointing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dman_dustin View Post
    You don't get it.

    No one likes that only Pikachu and Pignite got wins.

    Especially since that means Oshawott/Snivy/Boldore/Unfezant didn't get any wins at the league.

    At least Leavanny's loss was excusable.
    Not to mention palpitoad either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Battra View Post
    I didn't think it was possible to make a League battle less interesting. This was just boring to watch, from Hydreigon owning most of Ash's team, too neither Ash nor Cameron using any stagey and just going at it until one Pokemon fainted. But I guess this is what happens when you don't make Trip interesting, then halfway near the end of the series you introduce the idiot savant character as a new rival who gets everything handed to him. Also Ash seems to have forgotten that Snivy knows ATTRACT, why didn't he use Attract on Riolu bam match won.
    A good number of the fan base picked that up... apparently it's a sin for Ash to use the move on a friend, only when he wants to win a battle has he used the move. This episode proved Ash didn't want to win hard enough.

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    Not to mention palpitoad either.
    A Tie counts as both a win and lost... though a majority I guess look to it as losing
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joltik-Kid View Post
    A good number of the fan base picked that up... apparently it's a sin for Ash to use the move on a friend, only when he wants to win a battle has he used the move. This episode proved Ash didn't want to win hard enough.
    ...Or maybe, just like Samurott, Riolu is a girl.

    Or maybe his entire team is made up of girls and Camoron doesn't know any better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AuraChannelerChris View Post
    ...Or maybe, just like Samurott, Riolu is a girl.

    Or maybe his entire team is made up of girls and Camoron doesn't know any better.
    Didn't stop Ash from using it on Elesa's Emolga...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joltik-Kid View Post
    Didn't stop Ash from using it on Elesa's Emolga...
    I've called out the attract thing for months now. It's probably the writers refusing to let ash win no matter what. Im even going to say if attract was used friendship would break it.

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    Maybe he wanted a "fair fight" after seeing Bianca beat Samurott with Attract.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pokemonsquared View Post
    I've called out the attract thing for months now. It's probably the writers refusing to let ash win no matter what. Im even going to say if attract was used friendship would break it.
    I was totally thinking the same thing you know... Cameron had every BS moment go his way.

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    come on ash you got this!!, man..league is ending soon.. we wont see any of the rivals anymore

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    My thoughts exact, General Zod.

    Also this post below sums up my feelings:

    Finally got around to watching the dub of this, and I'm still as bitter about this episode as I was with the original.

    Anyone remember the Ash vs. Paul battle... how there was a ton of strategy involved with decent improvised moves and battle plans. Yeah, none of that here. Instead, it's one Pokemon after the other with a ton of:-

    "Don't worry Oshawott, I know you can defeat Hydreigon!"
    "Don't worry Ferrothorn, I know you can defeat Pignite!"
    "Don't worry Pignite, I know you can defeat Samurott!
    "Don't worry Samurott, I know you can defeat Pikachu!"
    "Don't worry Swanna, I know you can defeat Pikachu!"
    "Don't worry Riolu, I know you can defeat Unfezant!"

    Oh wait, excuse the last one... Riolu did defeat Unfezant. The bird didn't manage to get off a single move... having said that, she was only hit by three moves that shouldn't have been that effective before being knocked out so I guess logic is being thrown out of the window for the 'Heart of the Cards' mentality the show has been pimping recently.

    But let's get on to the worst factor about this episode... Cameron only brought FIVE Pokemon with him!. I mean, geez, there's dumb but then there's bone-shatteringly stupid. "Duh, I thought full battles were five-on-five!" They're called FULL battles, you *******. Clearly your logic does not resemble our Earth logic.

    The fact the writers went this is stupid idea pisses me off for two reasons...

    - It cheats us out of seeing a proper full battle at the league.
    - It makes Ash look even weaker that he's having trouble against this guy. DP Ash would be walking over him.

    Some people might reason there wasn't time to include another Pokemon, and I could buy that if we hadn't had yet another 'Axew goes missing' filler plot just before. God, even in a league Iris takes focus away from Ash.

    People who refute that BW has made Ash weaker and is a massive step backwards for both him and the series, this episode is all the proof you need.

    I guess I should give this episode one compliment... I liked the design of the scoreboard (and a really nice touch is that when the evolution is finished you can just see Riolu's picture being replaced by Lucario's... of course, he still shows at Riolu a couple of shots lateR). That's all the good things I can say about it.

    Oh, and Jimmy Zoppi... did you have to use your James voice for the referee? Didn't you have anything new you could use?

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt0044 View Post
    My thoughts exact, General Zod.

    Also this post below sums up my feelings:
    No offense to the user's earth logic but I don't know how Full Battle equals 6 on 6 without knowing prior that a trainer can carry and battle with a maximum 6 Pokemon.

    If they said 6 on 6, then I would agree.

    "I thought a 6 on 6 battle involved a 5 on 5" then the questioning of Cameron's logic valid.

    But again since many different things have different definitions of full (a full gallon of milk is different than a full quart of milk), it's a bit too harsh to say that he was a *******, I mean he is, but not because he thought full battles were a 5 on 5 battle but because he apparently did not know you could carry 6 Pokemon, I'm pretty sure that would've been an important thing to know for any kind of trainer.
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    Like I said back when I watched the original, lame and boring league...nothing memorable thus time to let it go
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    Quote Originally Posted by dman_dustin View Post
    because he apparently did not know you could carry 6 Pokemon, I'm pretty sure that would've been an important thing to know for any kind of trainer.
    Hell, it should've been common sense to any and all Trainers. I'd hate to quote Trip but that's basic. So basic it's not even funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dman_dustin View Post
    No offense to the user's earth logic but I don't know how Full Battle equals 6 on 6 without knowing prior that a trainer can carry and battle with a maximum 6 Pokemon.

    If they said 6 on 6, then I would agree.

    "I thought a 6 on 6 battle involved a 5 on 5" then the questioning of Cameron's logic valid.
    Um... didn't they say in the previous episode that the following matches were going to be 6 vs. 6? Bringing only 5 Pokemon was Cameron's fault, but that doesn't mean that is illegal to bring less than 6 Pokemon.
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    And remember, Cameron is a scatterbrain so it must have completely slipped out his mind. Also the focus on not being late to his match with Ash.

    Cameron is especially careless when it comes to numbers; getting the date of the Junior Cup wrong, thinking you need 7 badges to enter a League.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raptor_Crow View Post
    And remember, Cameron is a scatterbrain so it must have completely slipped out his mind. Also the focus on not being late to his match with Ash.

    Cameron is especially careless when it comes to numbers; getting the date of the Junior Cup wrong, thinking you need 7 badges to enter a League.
    This is what I don't understand. Why would the writers make someone this dumb in the first place who doesn't even know the basics of league rules. I thought he was supposed to be experienced. And why let him be the one to beat Ash out of Virgil who seems more collected?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cresselia92 View Post
    Um... didn't they say in the previous episode that the following matches were going to be 6 vs. 6? Bringing only 5 Pokemon was Cameron's fault, but that doesn't mean that is illegal to bring less than 6 Pokemon.
    I don't know what the dub did, but I'm pretty sure they were only referred to as full battles. And unless you knew about full battles, it doesn't automatically equate to it being 6 on 6, we know that a full battle is a 6 on 6, but because we were told that's what it meant.

    But if someone didn't know jack about Pokemon, like say your hypothetical cousin in a country that has no internet, or knowledge of Pokemon, it's unlikely he'll be able to discern that full battles = 6 on 6 battles.

    Now Cameron obviously knows something about Pokemon, he's a trainer with conveniently powerful Pokemon, and you'd think he would know what a full battle actually is. But it could've easily been something that was never came up, similar to the situation, where you're trying to find someone and you coincidentally keep missing them.

    Or it could be as simple as he was lied to by his parents, or something, who only wanted him to carry 5 Pokemon instead of 6, although his reaction was clearly more because of the former than the latter.

    I mean looking at Cameron and who he is, I could see why his parents were to hypothetically lie to him, I mean could Cameron even take care of 6 Pokemon once, or is he going to forget, and then when he does remember, he sends out his Pokemon only to find a pile of bones.
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    dman even in the japanese version, Freddy stated that the next round was 6 vs 6.

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