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    Default Do you consider the "N arc" to be a second saga for Iris/Cilan?

    As we know the gang is still staying in Unova for the next arc. But even so, do you consider it a "Second" arc for Iris/Cilan, much like how Misty/Brock stayed for multiple arcs?

    Think of it this way:

    - Misty (3 regions, Kanto/Orange/Johto)
    - Brock (5 regions, Kanto/Johto/Hoenn/Kanto BF/Sinnoh)
    - Tracey (1 region, Orange)
    - May and Max (2 regions, Hoenn, Kanto BF)
    - Dawn (1 region, Sinnoh)
    - Iris and Cilan (2 regions, Unova and Eastern Unova)


    So have Iris and Cilan been the first characters since Misty/Brock to stay for a second arc?

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    I thought there were 3 arcs :S
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoennDreamer View Post
    I thought there were 3 arcs :S
    Well if you count Best Wishes Season 2, then Iris and Cilan have already lasted as long as Misty/Brock did in terms of 3 arcs.

    I guess Iris and Cilan really did get to stay for 3 separate sagas after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberCubed View Post
    Well if you count Best Wishes Season 2, then Iris and Cilan have already lasted as long as Misty/Brock did in terms of 3 arcs.

    I guess Iris and Cilan really did get to stay for 3 separate sagas after all.
    I don't actually consider best wishes 2 or the "N" series as new arcs, it's just the anime constantly changing names to stop the ratings from dropping.

    Kinda like the dub.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoennDreamer View Post
    I don't actually consider best wishes 2 or the "N" series as new arcs, it's just the anime constantly changing names to stop the ratings from dropping.

    Kinda like the dub.
    A story arc is an extended or continuing storyline in episodic storytelling media such as television, comic books, comic strips, boardgames, video games, and in some cases, films.
    How on earth is this not an arc....

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    Quote Originally Posted by lolipiece View Post
    How on earth is this not an arc....
    Just because it's a different story, it doesn't make it a new arc, by that logic a galactic arc would have happened during diamond and pearl.
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    No because Eastern Unova is still part of Unova. They have only been travelling for one region.

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    Best wishes season 1 is an arc.
    Best wishes season 2 is an arc.
    Best wishes season 2 Episode N is NOT an arc.

    So yeah, BWS2 is considered their second arc to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OceanicLanturn View Post
    Best wishes season 1 is an arc.
    Best wishes season 2 is an arc.
    Best wishes season 2 Episode N is NOT an arc.
    Huh? How the hell is it not an arc?

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    1 region yes, but the number of I guess "arcs" depends on if Ash is chasing another goal again. For example I do count the Orange Islands and Kanto Battle Frontier as separate quests since Ash had a new goal of collecting badges and symbols respectively. So if Ash has another quest like that then yes I would consider them being 2 arcs, if not then it's just an addition to the Unova quest.

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    I considered Unova and eastern unova as one series; that's how i see each region you posted; a series/saga. I just thought Japan was actually doing something we normally count as "Seasons" and nothing more.

    Arcs are just something within the series; like the tournaments. But if everything is happening in Unova, then I can't see it as multiple series/regions.

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    Well it depeneds on the region they are in. Since they are still in Unova I only consider it one.

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    I think they're still in Unova, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haunter227 View Post
    Huh? How the hell is it not an arc?
    Because it's still cause Best wishes season 2 Episode N

    If I'm not wrong that is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberCubed View Post
    As we know the gang is still staying in Unova for the next arc. But even so, do you consider it a "Second" arc for Iris/Cilan, much like how Misty/Brock stayed for multiple arcs?

    Think of it this way:

    - Misty (3 regions, Kanto/Orange/Johto)
    - Brock (5 regions, Kanto/Johto/Hoenn/Kanto BF/Sinnoh)
    - Tracey (1 region, Orange)
    - May and Max (2 regions, Hoenn, Kanto BF)
    - Dawn (1 region, Sinnoh)
    - Iris and Cilan (2 regions, Unova and Eastern Unova)


    So have Iris and Cilan been the first characters since Misty/Brock to stay for a second arc?
    What? You mean the Battle Frontier wasn't a filler saga for May? I must have been dreaming back then.

    But what does it matter anyway? As soon as this crap is almost over they will probably be gone anyway. It's not like either of them are really doing anything. I'm also more interested in N then them right now.

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    "THATS NOT AN ARC, NO THATS AN ARC, NO THATS NOT, YES IT IS, HOW THE HELL IS IT AN ARC, HOW THE HELL ISNT IT AN ARC"

    I'm laughing my *** off right now, anyway what's the point?

    Quote Originally Posted by CyberCubed
    - Misty (3 regions, Kanto/Orange/Johto)
    - Brock (5 regions, Kanto/Johto/Hoenn/Kanto BF/Sinnoh)
    - Tracey (1 region, Orange)
    - May and Max (2 regions, Hoenn, Kanto BF)
    - Dawn (1 region, Sinnoh)
    - Iris and Cilan (2 regions, Unova and Eastern Unova)
    Um, Eastern Unova is part of Unova. So it's still one region~

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    Quote Originally Posted by OceanicLanturn View Post
    Because it's still cause Best wishes season 2 Episode N

    If I'm not wrong that is.
    LMAO.

    It's not a different Season. It IS a different arc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberCubed View Post
    As we know the gang is still staying in Unova for the next arc. But even so, do you consider it a "Second" arc for Iris/Cilan, much like how Misty/Brock stayed for multiple arcs?

    Think of it this way:

    - Misty (3 regions, Kanto/Orange/Johto)
    - Brock (5 regions, Kanto/Johto/Hoenn/Kanto BF/Sinnoh)
    - Tracey (1 region, Orange)
    - May and Max (2 regions, Hoenn, Kanto BF)
    - Dawn (1 region, Sinnoh)
    - Iris and Cilan (2 regions, Unova and Eastern Unova)


    So have Iris and Cilan been the first characters since Misty/Brock to stay for a second arc?
    Eastern Isshu is still Isshu lol Oo.

    Yes its a new arc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberCubed View Post

    So have Iris and Cilan been the first characters since Misty/Brock to stay for a second arc?
    What? May and Max stayed for more than 1 arc. Battle Frontier was definitely a new arc.

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    It is a new arc becasue there is a new,primary focus. Arc 1: best wishes 1 primary focus: get all 8 badges. Arc 2: best wishes 2 : primary focus: junior cup and unova league. Arc 3: Episode N primary focus: explore the rest of unova and stop team plasma so there are 3 arcs
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    Why does this matter, at all?
    And if Brock gets 2 sagas in the same region (Kanto), I would say that Cilan and Iris get 2/3 (depends if you consider BW2 also a different saga or an arc) sagas in Unova too, I guess. Tbh, I consider this one whole saga, not 2 different. But if Brock gets 2 regions for Kanto, it's only fair to say so do Cilan and Iris :P

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    Not really since they are still in Unova. If they had went to an "Orange Islands" type place, then I would agree.

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    Exactly what is the point of this thread?

    Not seeing too much of a reason for this to be made
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    Depends on what you are trying to mean with saga.

    If you mean "a story arc that is long and/or different enough from the previous story arc to be considered a different series" in the manner of how Johto and Kanto had differences, then absolutely not. Even if Best Wishes is going to continue on until 2014, it is very hard to expect N arc to be large as Battle Frontier(if we get a third major story arc, we will discuss about it when it happens).

    If you mean "a story arc that is long and/or different enough from the previous story arc to be a different part of the same series", then most certainly yes, but May and Max also count.

    Either way, no, at least not in the manner you are trying to sell the idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberCubed View Post
    As we know the gang is still staying in Unova for the next arc. But even so, do you consider it a "Second" arc for Iris/Cilan, much like how Misty/Brock stayed for multiple arcs?

    Think of it this way:

    - Misty (3 regions, Kanto/Orange/Johto)
    - Brock (5 regions, Kanto/Johto/Hoenn/Kanto BF/Sinnoh)
    - Tracey (1 region, Orange)
    - May and Max (2 regions, Hoenn, Kanto BF)
    - Dawn (1 region, Sinnoh)
    - Iris and Cilan (2 regions, Unova and Eastern Unova)


    So have Iris and Cilan been the first characters since Misty/Brock to stay for a second arc?
    lol who cares? why can't we just enjoy the anime no matter who stays for how many arcs. we should just do episode count because that's something that can't be argued.
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