Community POTW #104

[adu98]

Overview

An absolute monster! No Pokemon is a better Special Sweeper, except for maybe Kyogre. Possessing a base 154 Special Attack (higher than Kyogres!), a lightning fast base 130 Speed, great HP, passable Bulk and even a usable attack stat, Mewtwo is a perfectly balanced god. Don't think it's a Special Sweeper only though, the good bulk allows it to pull of a more than brilliant Support set. Mewtwo, it may no longer have the same typing and base stat total as Arceus or Kyurem, but it is still one of the greatest pokemon ever!

Support
252 HP, 200 Speed, 56 S.Defense
Timid Nature
@Leftovers
-Taunt
-Recover
-Toxic/Will-O-Wisp
-Reflect/Light Screen/Psystrike/Thunder Wave/Fire Blast

Taunt prevents hazards and status. Recover heals yourself. Toxic or Will-O-Wisp... Will-O-Wisp goes well with Thunder Wave for a Pseudo-Double Powder. See, if you Will-O-Wisp like Zekrom or something, it will most likely switch since it's useless. Thunder Waving right after the Wisp will paralyze the switch in hopefully. Even if they dont switch, they probably wont damage you too much, so don't worry too much. Toxic ridicules walls not named Ferrothorn.
Reflect boosts your defense if your not running Will-O-Wisp, even if you are, it's not as good as...
Light Screen. Protection from the omnipresent special attacks. Great!
Psystrike is your strongest STAB and kills special walls. Radical.
Thunder Wave for Pseudo-Double Powder
Fire Blast kills Ferrothorn.

[Pink Lapras]

Timid

Aura Sphere
Psystrike
Recover
Thunderbolt

Counters:
Thunder Wave cripples it's speed. Using Dark types means it can't use STAB moves, which can help as a possible Blissey switchout. Light Screen limits it's options greatly.

Partners:
Kyogre can provide rain support for Thunder using Mewtwo in double AND triple battles.

[KYOGRE-D]

Mewtwo@Leftovers/Life Orb
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
252 speed evs, 252 sp atk, 4 hp
-Psystrike
-Calm Mind
-Aura Sphere
-Shadow Ball/Ice Beam

Offensive Mewtwo - Timid is neccesary as there's Pokemon like Darkrai and Shaymin-S directly below it's speed tier. Evs are simplez! Calm Mind to boost Sp. Atk to ridiculous levels. Leftovers provides a little health recovery, enough to just maybe grab another CM boost. Psystrike is STAB and will hit the blobs as well as Pokemon like Kyogre and Ho-oh hard, Aura Sphere pairs well with it and hits Dialga, Darkrai, and the odd Tyranitar hard. Last slot normally goes to Ice Beam - super effective damage on many of the plethora of Dragon types (bar Pokemon such as Palkia and Kyurem), but Shadow Ball hits opposing Psychic types like Deoxys and rival Mewtwo hard. Substitute could also be used with defensive evs and recover to attain many boosts, but ghost attacks are common, and coverage will be an issue.

[sbktdreed]

Pressure w/ Life Orb/Leftovers
Modest w/ 252 Sp Attack, 252 Speed, 6 HP
Psychic/Psystrike
Aura Sphere
Shadow Ball
Flamethrower/Ice Beam/Thunderbolt

Partners:
Helping Hand-users
Follow Me-users

[Zachmac]

Pressure w/ Life Orb/Leftovers
Modest w/ 252 Sp Attack, 252 Speed, 6 HP
Psychic/Psystrike
Aura Sphere
Shadow Ball
Miracle Eye

Partners:
Helping Hand-users
Follow Me-users

Why do you need Miracle Eye? I can guarantee you Aura Sphere will hit harder then any good dark types you'll come across in Ubers, and even if you face something like a Skuntank, you'll be giving it a whole extra turn to night slash you or something.

Though, this does bring up a point I'd like to make; A modest nature is actually extremely viable in Ubers. To give you a good taste of how fast Mewtwo is, a modest, maximum speed Mewtwo will still outrun a timid, maximum speed Latios.

[Blue Harvest]

Though, this does bring up a point I'd like to make; A modest nature is actually extremely viable in Ubers. To give you a good taste of how fast Mewtwo is, a modest, maximum speed Mewtwo will still outrun a timid, maximum speed Latios.

No it isn't. Darkrai, Shaymin S, and Arceus exist. You also speed tie with other Mewtwo as well. 10% more SA is nice but outrunning EXTREMELY common ubers is more useful.

[Zachmac]

No it isn't. Darkrai, Shaymin S, and Arceus exist. You also speed tie with other Mewtwo as well. 10% more SA is nice but outrunning EXTREMELY common ubers is more useful.

Oh, now I feel like an idiot.

Next time I guess I should look at speed tiers instead of trying to do it from memory...

[sbktdreed]

Why do you need Miracle Eye? I can guarantee you Aura Sphere will hit harder then any good dark types you'll come across in Ubers, and even if you face something like a Skuntank, you'll be giving it a whole extra turn to night slash you or something.

Does Ice Beam, Thunderbolt, Flamethrower, or Energy Ball make a better alternative? I think Flamethrower is the best bet.

[philzone]

Does Ice Beam, Thunderbolt, Flamethrower, or Energy Ball make a better alternative? I think Flamethrower is the best bet.

Ice beam: destroys garchomp,rayquaza, latios, thundurus, shaymin-s, etc good for giratina.
Thunderbolt: hitting kyogre hard, and stops manaphy, and other water types
Flamethrower: for steel types that have a resistance to fighting type moves. You still have aura sphere that hits neutral.
Energy ball: not really worth it. Go with ice beam or thunderbolt

That ok for you to decide which to use

[tobias1532]

question. why did you add options just to say "oh don't uswe this"?

I included them to be thorough, and because there are people in the world who will criticize someone for not giving them all possible options.

[jesusfreak94]

It is worth noting that even if you run a Scarf Mewtwo (which isn't a terrible set, albeit a rare one), you should still run Timid over Modest. It may seem like overkill, but it does give you the ability to outspeed and check a +2 Spe Blaziken and the occasional Scarf Darkrai. Of course, Mewtwo will usually want to run a LO set so that it can abuse its great coverage anyways, and the so-fast-it's-ridiculous Scarf set is usually better pulled off by Shaymin-S with its STAB Air Slash and Seed Flare with Serene Grace.

[Kiyoshi]

...Scarf Mewtwo...does give you the ability to outspeed and check a +2 Spe Blaziken...

I'm sorry, but I have to ask; is +2 Spe Blaziken really that big of a threat now, that one of the mentioned benefits of running a Choice Scarf on Mewtwo is being able to outrun & check it? (Not that the fact that Mewtwo already has a type advantage over it means Blaziken ought to be retreating anyways.) I mean, true it has some pretty good offensive stats and now carries Speed Boost, but it's defensive stats are marginally better than Absol's; Arceus probably doesn't even need STAB on Extremespeed to OHKO the fire chicken.

[jesusfreak94]

I'm sorry, but I have to ask; is +2 Spe Blaziken really that big of a threat now, that one of the mentioned benefits of running a Choice Scarf on Mewtwo is being able to outrun & check it?

Not so much the reason to run ScarfTwo, just one of the reasons to run Timid ScarfTwo over Modest. And yes, Blaziken is a notable threat in Ubers. It's pretty common, usually around 12% or so usage in Ubers (more than Terrakion in OU last month), and it's one of the more dangerous sweepers of the tier. Literally the only Uber-viable counter to it in the Sun is Giratina, so things like ScarfTwo and Extreme Killer Arceus are other good ways to keep it in check.

(Not that the fact that Mewtwo already has a type advantage over it means Blaziken ought to be retreating anyways.)

Blaziken easily OHKOs Mewtwo with a +2 Flare Blitz even outside of Sun and can outspeed an unboosted Mewtwo by hitting Protect to stall for a Speed Boost, so if Mewtwo lacks a Scarf, it loses.

I mean, true it has some pretty good offensive stats and now carries Speed Boost, but it's defensive stats are marginally better than Absol's; Arceus probably doesn't even need STAB on Extremespeed to OHKO the fire chicken.

Arceus's Adamant LO Extremespeed maxes out at about 93% damage, so Blaziken isn't exactly going to roll over and die to just any priority attack. Besides, ScarfTwo isn't something you throw on a team just to check Blaziken. But if you're running one, then you should just use Timid in case you're up against a +2 Blaziken.

[Kraleck]

Question: How viable is the Event Mewtwo's Electro Ball compared to Tbolt? I haven't had a chance to crunch the numbers yet...

[Miror]

Question: How viable is the Event Mewtwo's Electro Ball compared to Tbolt? I haven't had a chance to crunch the numbers yet...

Electro Ball generally wouldn't be worth it in Ubers due to the fact that a lot of Pokemon either resist it anyhow, or in the case of pokemon like Kyogre which it would hit super effectively, it will not do more to it than Thunderbolt.

[Blue Harvest]

Electro Ball is useless. Even with Scarf Mewtwo vs Defensive Dialga you are only hitting with a pathetic 80 base power. Thunder, and even Thunderbolt are better. Slower things that MIGHT be hit with 120 or higher BP Electro Ball are things like Chansey or Ferrothorn who are better off being hit with different moves anyhow.

Also Thunder has a 30% Paralysis rate which is cool.

[Montresor]

With amnesia mewtwo's special is raised by 2 making him specially bulky and strong.
i would use this set
Amnesia
Psychic
Blizzard
Recover
Amnesia is for the obvious reason of setting up. Use amnesia twice then spam psychic g.g TGOD. Blizzard is there for pokes like exeggutor who would be a dick and live psychic. Recover is good for that longevity. Rest could be used in place of recover to get rid of status but ewww RBY sleep mechanics. Starmie and Slowbro both resist all of mewtwo's attacks but mewtwo doesn't give a **** he just wins. Mewtwo has 130 base speed meaning you do need to watch out for thunder waves coming from a jolteon speed tie or electrode outspeeding. Overall Mewtwo is the best pokemon ever and he totally centralizes the RBY Ubers metagame.

[jesusfreak94]

In the couple of RBY Ubers games that I've played, I ran Thunderbolt over Recover for jerks trying to delay the inevitable with Slowbro (and to a lower extent Starmie). I never really found time to use Recover since I was busy spamming +2 attacks left and right. I guess it's not super necessary, though, because you can usually muscle your way past those two anyways by boosting up and fishing for a crit.

[Mav-san]

I'll got with a physical set, just for the fun:

Pressure @ Life Orb
Adamant w/ 252 Attack, 252 Speed, 4 HP

- Bulk Up
- Drain Punch/Psycho Cut
- Stone Edge
- Ice Punch

Not really the best set, but it's always a fun change.

[Montresor]

In the couple of RBY Ubers games that I've played, I ran Thunderbolt over Recover for jerks trying to delay the inevitable with Slowbro (and to a lower extent Starmie). I never really found time to use Recover since I was busy spamming +2 attacks left and right. I guess it's not super necessary, though, because you can usually muscle your way past those two anyways by boosting up and fishing for a crit.

yeah if you feel confident in your mewtwo to not take hits and really don't want to stall out slowbro or starmie thunderbolt > recover is a definite option