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    Default First Attempt At A Rain Team

    Hello smogon forums. I have decided to go beyond my realm of team building and run my very first Rain team. I am pretty sure it is going to have some flaws considering the aforementioned fact, but I hope to use some constructive criticism. I honestly don't know what to look for, because whenever I test my teams, even after doing so, I could never figure out what changes I should make. With that being said, I hope you guys will help me out with my uncharted territory of weather teams. Anyway, enough of the introduction, here's my team!

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    Politoed @ Choice Specs
    Ability: Drizzle
    Nature: Modest
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Moves:
    Hydro Pump
    Focus Blast
    Ice Beam
    Hidden Power [Grass]

    Ah, the source of eternal rain, here to bless my Pokemon with its presence. I decided to go with SpecsToed for more offensive prowess. Hydro Pump is the STAB of choice, as I'd much rather KO an opponent's Pokemon than regret having Surf not finish the job. The 80% accuracy doesn't bother me. Anyway, it is insane in the rain. To show you how much power Hydro Pump has, in a sandstorm against support Tyranitar, it does an insane 59.9% - 71.29%, a guaranteed 2HKO. Focus Blast is a more reliable means of handling most Tyranitar, who is OHKOed. Support Tyranitar has a small chance of being OHKOed with SR up. Ice Beam helps against most OU dragons, who are OHKOed (only the bulkiest Dragonites survive, but take over half damage after SR damage). Hidden Power Grass does a number on Gastrodon. With the suggestion by Mosquiton, I switched the Speed and HP EVs around. With 252 Spe, I outspeed and deal with Breloom, CBNite, Scizor and Mamoswine. I am debating whether or not to use Surf instead of HP Grass, for reliability against weakened foes. Any ideas?


    Tornadus-T @ Life Orb
    Ability: Regenerator
    Nature: Naive
    EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 Atk
    Moves:
    Hurricane
    Superpower
    U-Turn
    Taunt

    Meet the main rain sweeper of my team. This thing is a beast under the rain. Hurricane is mainly STAB, which hurts a majority of the metagame, even some things that resist it. I chose Superpower over Focus Blast because my whole team is pretty lacking in the physical department and I want to hurt Blissey harder so it doesn't wall me. U-Turn has great synergy with Regenerator. Incase I have SR on my field and my Rapid Spinner is dead, Regenerator mitigates the damage. Taunt is to shut down Deo-D leads from setting up on me.


    Thundurus-T @ Yache Berry
    Ability: Volt Absorb
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 Def
    Moves:
    Thunder
    Agility
    Hidden Power [Ice]
    Grass Knot/Focus Blast

    Behold the thunder god of chaos. This monster has the highest SpA of all Electric types. Thunder is STAB, allowing me to hurt most things that aren't resistant to it. Another one of Mosquiton's suggestion was to replace Volt Switch with Agility. Volt Switch is not always ideal on Thundurus-T due to reason mentioned in the Thundurus-T analysis. Agility allows me to sweep late-game. HP Ice allows me to 2HKO Dragonite through Multiscale and OHKO all other OU Dragons. Grass Knot is to nail Gastrodon and Hippowdon. However, I could use Focus Blast to hit Ferrothorn and Magnezone. Any ideas on which one I should use? I mentioned under Politoed's explanation that Mamoswine is pretty threatening to my team, so I changed the item to Yache Berry, again, as suggested by Mosquiton.


    Starmie @ Life Orb
    Ability: Natural Cure
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 SpD
    Moves:
    Hydro Pump
    Ice Beam
    Thunder
    Rapid Spin

    Here's my Spinner, one of the most reliable in OU under the rain. This is because he has an offensive presence as well with his great SpA, as well as decent defenses. Rapid Spin is self explanitory. Hydro Pump serves as his STAB, and I prefer power over accuracy. Ice Beam hits dragons and the grass types. However, Ferrothorn completely walls this set. Thunder hits pretty hard the many Bulky Water types lurking in OU, even the most Specially Defensive of Jellicent, who are 2HKOed.


    Bronzong @ Leftovers
    Ability: Levitate
    Nature: Sassy
    EVs: 252 HP / 8 Def / 248 SpD
    IVs: 2 Spe (for HP Ice)
    Moves:
    Stealth Rock
    Gyro Ball
    Earthquake
    Hidden Power [Ice]

    As suggested by Mosquiton, I have changed Metagross to Bronzong after testing out his changes (don't worry, I tested everyone's changes out but I found his to work the best for me). Stealth Rock is required for almost every team, so it's a given. Gyro Ball allows me to deal with threatening Pokemon such as Terrakion, Kyurem-B, etc. Earthquake handles Jirachi, Heatran, and Magnezone. HP Ice is for Dragons who think they can take me on as well as Landorus. I made him specially defensive so he can tank Hurricanes from Tornadus-T and go for the KO with Gyro Ball.


    Terrakion @ Choice Scarf
    Ability: Justified
    Nature: Adamant
    EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 HP
    Moves:
    Close Combat
    Stone Edge
    X-Scissor
    Rock Slide

    Thanks to his awesome coverage and offensive stats, he makes a great revenge killer and late-game sweeper. Close Combat and Stone Edge serve as STAB, hitting everything commonly seen in OU super effectively (trivia: the only two Pokemon who resist his STAB are Medicham and Gallade). X-Scissor allows it to damage Psychic types. Rock Slide is for those times I need to reliably take down a Pokemon. EVs maximize his cleaning potential. He is the most dispensable member of my team, so please suggest changes for him.
    Conclusion
    Here is my team. Please critique it as best as possible. I really want to get better at making Rain Teams. Thanks!
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    Grass Knot doesn't hit Gastrodon very hard actually and Hippowdon is rarely seen anymore so go with Focus Miss. Not really gonna get into rain teams as I've seen too many -.-. Scarf Keldeo for Terrakion? Idk. Seems like a good rain team nonetheless.

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    Great team, like the offence

    Focus Blast, as Zone is the only thing in OU resisting BoltBeam.

    Nice Metagross, really like him in OU. Didn't even know it got Pursuit, original way to handle the lati's.

    Terrakion Jolly nature, to outspeed max speed modest venusaur in sun by one point and dealing like 60% damage with Stone Edge.

    Only 1 eletric hit taker isn't enough. Small prediction it takes to see Thunderus coming into the field. With him gone, electric sweepers pose a major threat. Perhaps you could add a Grass type, like Virizion, instead of Terrakion, as revenge killer. Maybe less powerfull, better synergy and bulk it provides.

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    Yeah, the Terrakion was an awkward edition to my team. He is the most dispensable. I am in need of another revenge killer that synergizes well with my team. Any ideas?
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    Scarf Keldeo, Scarf Moltres? If you manage to keep Rocks off, Moltres works extremely well with Tornadus being able to punch holes in other teams opening up the sweep for Tornadus. It also OHKOs Ferrothorn in rain with Fire Blast, not sure if that's with Specs or not however but that's not something many can boast. Then again, some Electric resist is nice. Sigh -.-...

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    Yeah, I'd rather not have another Electric weakness. I am okay with three, but I think the best thing is another electric resist or immunity.
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    Latios or Jolteon...yeah I'm out of ideas for today..-.-...

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    Hm...okay....Jolteon will walk all over half of your team as it stands. (Before someone says something about Thundurus-T, Jolteon carrying Hidden Power ice will do over 60% in one shot ie. is enough for a guarunteed 2HKO, and Thundurus isn't going to OHKO a full Health Jolteon.) Jolteon can simply Volt Switch out on Metagross, and Terrakion is the only thing you have that threatens it, and I am not to sure that HP Ice wouldn't do some nasty damage.....(Goes to run Calcs) LO Jolteon using HP Ice against Terrakion can only 3HKO, althought Thunderbolt will in fact 2HKO you, meaning you can probably kill it, assuming your opponet doesn't see that you are Scarfed. so you can force it out that way. Metagross however, will eat about 50% switching into a LO Thunderbolt, and will be left with about 17% health after a Volt Switch.

    Point is, Jolteon walks all over this team.

    Also, and opposing Jolly Scarf Terrakion can probably do a number to most of your team as well, with Metagross being your only switch in, the Genies are OHKO by Rock Slide, never mind Stone Edge, your own Terrakion is KOed by Close Combat. Politoed is I think 2HKOed by Close Combat (To lazy to go redo the calc.) Anway, that won't end will for you, since if Terrak gets a clean switch in, you are almost assured to lose something. On that vein, Scarf Keldo will OHKO Metagross, with Hydro Pump, and I am to lazy to redo that for Surf. Thundurus-T is going to die about half the time to Surf, and Torn is 2HKOed. I think you can figure how terrak goes, and even Politoed is 2HKOed by Surf.

    In fact, I am going to ammed the above to say that Keldeo and Terrakion just kill your team in general, Scarves or not.

    I want to suggest you add a specially defensive Latias somewhere in there, both to counter Sun, and to patch up the Keldeo and Terrakion weaknesses. Looking above you mention Terrak as the most removable....not sure Latias fills the same roles...Hm...Yeah, Latias would should work in that last slot...

    Latias@Leftovers
    Ability: Levitate
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 252 HP, 252, Speed, 4 Special Attack
    Dragon Pulse
    Calm Mind
    Recover
    Psyshock

    Nothing really amazing here. Yeah, you lose the revenge killing potenial of Terrakion, but gain the ability to wall non Band Terrakion, and non Specs Keldeo. Since you outspeed both, assuming a lack of Band and Specs, you can set up a Calm Mind, Recover as needed, and KO with Psyshock. Speaking of which, Psyshock keeps you from being walled by Blissey, and Dragon Pulse is main Damage dealing move. This will sort of help with your Jolteon weakness as well.

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    Hmm, Idk about losing a revenge killer. I don't want to be stuck late-game without a cleaner. Latias could work in my team, but I think over Thundurus-T, not Terrakion. I need another revenge killer and late-game sweeper to replace Terrakion.
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    That would work too, I was simply trying to keep you from losing the electric immunity you have.
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    This is tough. MAYBE I could make Latios/as a revenge killer over Terrakion, but Idk 100%.
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    Latios is a decent revenge killer with great speed scarfed outspending common scarfers like Terrakion, Keldeo, etc with also great SpA firing off Draco Meteors.

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    Latios does help against my electric weakness. I will test him out over Terrakion.
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    Some other options for revenge killers that resist electric attacks: techniloom, choice scarf nidoking, scarf rotom-c, raikou,scarf landorus (either one).
    There`s not much, but I think these are your best bet, together with latios. Most have an ice weakness, though. Then almost your whole team is weak to the boltbeam combo, which isn't something you want either.

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    well if your making a rain team you should only go with water types because then if you have the move rain it will do masive damage.for example water types usingh water type moves boost the damage and so those rain so have a water pokemon use rain then hydro pump and it will probaly be ohko.and also i recomend not to use legendaries because makes easy to win which is no fun.well only use these 2 legendaries groudon and rayqaza because they are awsome.aggron rules!

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    well if your making a rain team you should only go with water types because then if you have the move rain it will do masive damage.for example water types usingh water type moves boost the damage and so those rain so have a water pokemon use rain then hydro pump and it will probaly be ohko.and also i recomend not to use legendaries because makes easy to win which is no fun.well only use these 2 legendaries groudon and rayqaza because they are awsome.aggron rules!

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    The above advice doesn't help me. Sorry, but I don't think it is a good idea what you're saying.
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    This is something that I just noticed. Rocks + Banded terrakion + Rotom-w will rip holes in this team. Terrakion can hit a CC or a Stone edge and hit everything for a good amount of damage. With a little prediction, he will stomp this team. Paired with specially defensive rotom-w to help take on starmie and tornaus-t and you're team may have some problems. I suggest defensive celebi.


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    Defensive Celebi over who?
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    I've been suggested a few things from another source as well, so I will try out all the suggested changes, report back the results, and update the OP with the suggestions that help the most.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AGGRON GUY View Post
    well if your making a rain team you should only go with water types because then if you have the move rain it will do masive damage.for example water types usingh water type moves boost the damage and so those rain so have a water pokemon use rain then hydro pump and it will probaly be ohko.and also i recomend not to use legendaries because makes easy to win which is no fun.well only use these 2 legendaries groudon and rayqaza because they are awsome.aggron rules!
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    Anywho, a good revenge-killer/priority user is Scizor

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    This guy will get a defensive boost from fire moves (it's only weakness) due to the rain. STAB Technician Bullet Punch will be doing base 80 damage (base 160 when supper-effective). U-Turn is for scouting (STAB Technician Bug Bite will hit harder than STAB X-Scizzor). Superpower is for hitting other steel-types (which resist both STABs) hard. Pursuit is for hitting the Psychic-types (particularly the Lati twins) and Ghost-types that don't have HP Fire hard when they try to switch out.
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    Scizor replaces Terrakion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by azeem40 View Post
    Scizor replaces Terrakion?
    You can try that over Terrakion, I think Terrakion is best on a Sun team (water-weakness coverage) instead of a Rain team where it's water-type weakness is a bigger problem since rain teams are fairly (if not very) common.
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    Quote Originally Posted by QuoteMaster View Post
    You can try that over Terrakion, I think Terrakion is best on a Sun team (water-weakness coverage) instead of a Rain team where it's water-type weakness is a bigger problem since rain teams are fairly (if not very) common.
    Well, you could go scizor over terrakion, but terrakion helps a ton on rain teams. It beats t-tar, ninetales, and abomasnow so its easier to eliminate other weather setters. It also can check gastrodon well, and is a great wall breaker with CB equipped which I think you should use and add bp on gross. BP on gross and Quick Attack CB terrakion should be good for revenge killing. If you don't like that you could always throw a scarf on thundurus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparkbeat View Post
    Well, you could go scizor over terrakion, but terrakion helps a ton on rain teams. It beats t-tar, ninetales, and abomasnow so its easier to eliminate other weather setters. It also can check gastrodon well, and is a great wall breaker with CB equipped.
    Azeem, I second that. That's a solid bit of Advice there. I've seen how much of a god Scizor is on and especially against rain teams.

    But the Only change I would advice you to make is to go for a Swords Dance + Life Orb Bulky set. Bullet Punch even with 20% less damage output revenge kills what it needs to in the rain and if you can find an opportunity to Set up, you at least take down half the team. Scizor Appreciates the Rain to negate his Achilles Heel of a fire weakness allowing him to survive and set up on unboosted fire moves and survive the Surprise HP fires. It even OHKOes Ferrothorn, the Lati@s, Terrakion and a whole host of top OU threats.
    Plus it will help you in the Rain v/s Rain wars which i guarantee will be half your ladder matches considering how rain is having a great time spoiling all the fun in OU without Genesect to stop them.


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