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    Default Who are the true anime fans?

    It's just been bothering me for so long if I should be proud of that I still embrace the show like it's my favorite show to watch and have a big topic

    But this might be a dumb topic, but who are the true fans to the Pokémon anime? The fans who still watch and don't bother much the changes and move on with the anime as it shifts? Or the fans who only love the older or a certain season or saga that thinks the new seasons are awful ether because of Misty's departure or the New Voice actors in the dub or something else that may not having just the Massive Filler Episodes where it should be the only good reason to stop watching this show and don't mind the changes?

    Who are more true to the anime and are consider the loyalties of this anime? And who impacts it the most?

    I know it's a stupid topic like I said before!

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    The fans who impact the show most are likely the japanese schoolchildren who it's aimed at. And trying to call one part of the fandom the "true fans" while devaluing the rest is really kind of a thing that shouldn't be done.


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    Darn it Honeyichigo! You Ninja'd me XD

    The true fans are impulsive 8-11 year old Japanese schoolchildren with well off parents who loves all things kawaii and couldn't recognize good writing and development if it smacked them in the face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pokemonsquared View Post
    Darn it Honeyichigo! You Ninja'd me XD

    The true fans are impulsive 8-11 year old Japanese schoolchildren with well off parents who loves all things kawaii and couldn't recognize good writing and development if it smacked them in the face.
    What is good writing? The anime succeeds at what it's meant to be; a comical adventure. As such it's well written.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pacman000 View Post
    What is good writing? The anime succeeds at what it's meant to be; a comical adventure. As such it's well written.
    This pretty much. Want bad writing? Watch Shuffled

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    Quote Originally Posted by pacman000 View Post
    What is good writing? The anime succeeds at what it's meant to be; a comical adventure. As such it's well written.
    This, very much so. There's a lot of complaining about how the anime is bad because it's not a high-intensity plot-driven violent action show or whatever, when it's never even tried to be anything like that. You can dislike the anime all you want because it's not that, sure, but you have to realize that it's not a matter of quality, it's a matter of your own taste.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Honeyichigo View Post
    This, very much so. There's a lot of complaining about how the anime is bad because it's not a high-intensity plot-driven violent action show or whatever, when it's never even tried to be anything like that. You can dislike the anime all you want because it's not that, sure, but you have to realize that it's not a matter of quality, it's a matter of your own taste.
    Yes, because we want a good story in Pokémon that means that we are violent sociopaths who want Pokémon to be a dark show with absolutely no fun at all and characters to die a lot.

    The problem is that the plot is largely made up of retreads. It's literally the same "Ash travels a region with friends to get badges and lose in a League", just insert name of reigion and name/number of friends where applicable. If they just added a new protagonist each region after Johto, then everything noobish Ash did come Unova would make sense: we wouldn't be following a trainer who went to four different regions suddenly being stupid, we'd be following someone who's going on their journey for the first time.

    And character personalities typically get either shoved aside for running gags that try too hard to be funny, or are nonexistant. Look at Ash: in the original series, he was brash and hotheaded and prone to mistakes, then in AG, they tried out a new role for Ash (acting as a mentor to May) that would've been interesting if they followed up on it.... but his mistakes that were made due to youthful inexperience were Flanderised into full-blown stupitidy. Now he is, to quote TvTropes, "a bland, can do no wrong, always moral Gary Stu with nothing resembling depth as a character", whose only mistakes are mistakes that someone in his position shouldn't even be making (seriously, FOUR regions, and he doesn't know the basics of catching Pokémon?! Is this even the same Ash?!)
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    Oh so the writers main goal is mostly the children and not the die-hard fans who care about what should be. It doesn't matter what the non-children fans say, it's still Pokémon the anime with everything that at least has some good stuff for a children show?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arceusgamer14 View Post
    Oh so the writers main goal is mostly the children and not the die-hard fans who care about what should be.
    Well, the little children are the ones who give them audience and buy all the merchandise, so they're the focus.

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    Every generation the previous 8-10 year old kids watching Pokemon get replaced by new 8-10 year old kids.

    Its an endless cycle which is why the anime reboots with a new series every 4 years.

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    The question was more in the context of who is the most loyal, which may not necessarily be which audience consists of the largest number of viewers. Pokemon is one of those unique shows that appears normal on the outside, but offers depth for those who can see and appreciate it (ex. The growing bond between humans and Pokemon, the value and excitement of discovering new things,places, etc). In my opinion, Pokemon most benefits those who appreciate Pokemon on that deeper level that has given it more longevity and character than your average cartoon. In my experience, the more reasons you discover why you love Pokemon, the more you feel proud to be a fan of it.

    The scope of Pokemon's audience can't be defined using only broad terms like kids, teens, adults, etc. On one hand, you've got the fresh new people watching it for the first time during any era of the show. On the other, you have both people who continue to enjoy Pokemon whether it's a specific time period in its history, or continuously throughout each new season/generation. Those are the people who then turn around and market the brand to future generations. It's the new and the long-term fans. Together they're the driving force behind Pokemon's successful continuation.
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    Most likely, if you're reading this forum you have absolutely no impact on the anime.

    Oh so the writers main goal is mostly the children and not the die-hard fans who care about what should be.
    Elementary School aged children are one of the most significant age groups for products in the US. They're also the most impressionable. Since they're too young to know the difference between good and bad writing and don't question why a show plays out the way it is the writers can afford to put out an intentionally inferior product without fear of being canceled ... so long as they get the marketing job done. Most children themselves don't have the money to buy products, but their parents would likely buy their children something as a present for one thing or another.

    Another significant buying age group is 18-30 year olds which seem more the speed of this forum and the internet in general. Young adults usually have their first full-time job and few responsibilities. Without a spouse or children they have more disposable income that they can use to buy luxury items. The problem with marketing to this age group is that they've grown enough to have vastly different tastes and be more critical of the product. Since they're less impressionable it's much more difficult to sell a product to this age group.

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    If the anime is perceived as being "better" quality in some form, then the young who watch it will not only be more likely to keep watching it, but will also be much less critical of it when they get older. It simply won't work to do only enough to get by. That's why Pokemon's greatest strengths must be at a steady standard; to keep you hooked and keep you marketing the brand as long as possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluelatios* View Post
    If the anime is perceived as being "better" quality in some form, then the young who watch it will not only be more likely to keep watching it, but will also be much less critical of it when they get older. It simply won't work to do only enough to get by. That's why Pokemon's greatest strengths must be at a steady standard; to keep you hooked and keep you marketing the brand as long as possible.
    So basically, the animé producers/writers/whatever are trying to make their show uncriticisable by slowly "injecting" their viewers with some substance that reacts into nostalgia when they grow up and turn into people who see it (through rose tinted glasses) as the greatest thing ever made, ignoring (and maybe even denying) it's flaws and anyone who disagrees is a Microsoft/Sony/whatever future gaming company fanboy who has no childhood?

    Makes sense to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spin Attaxx View Post
    So basically, the animé producers/writers/whatever are trying to make their show uncriticisable by slowly "injecting" their viewers with some substance that reacts into nostalgia when they grow up and turn into people who see it (through rose tinted glasses) as the greatest thing ever made, ignoring (and maybe even denying) it's flaws and anyone who disagrees is a Microsoft/Sony/whatever future gaming company fanboy who has no childhood?

    Makes sense to me.
    Why don't I put it another way? Those who have experienced watching Pokemon longer are generally more capable of intelligently assessing both its strengths and weaknesses; more than those who see Pokemon by merely whats on the outside. Both sufficient praise and criticism are of course vital to the success of the brand. However, criticism means little if it does not contain insight and constructive reasoning to back it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spin Attaxx View Post
    So basically, the animé producers/writers/whatever are trying to make their show uncriticisable by slowly "injecting" their viewers with some substance that reacts into nostalgia when they grow up and turn into people who see it (through rose tinted glasses) as the greatest thing ever made, ignoring (and maybe even denying) it's flaws and anyone who disagrees is a Microsoft/Sony/whatever future gaming company fanboy who has no childhood?

    Makes sense to me.
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    Y'know, the animé sickens me now. The creators of the animé (Shopro?) obviously think "hey, why bother making a quality product that everyone can enjoy... when we can just put in little effort and market it to all those walking keys to people's wallets - I mean kids - to justify our lame writing? Either way, money money money!".
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    Good for you Yuyama. Too bad you've singlehandedly torpedoed any lingering respect I and anyone else had for you.

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    To be fair money is the endgame of almost every company.

    That doesn't just translate into " let's sell as much as possible ". It's also something that we see on the production side. Even if Gamefreak technically has the money to throw into making a better anime there's no real reason for them to do that since it's accomplishing what it needs to. That said, I'm sure that the animation/writing budget has actually increased somewhat from the olden days since we have noticeably better visuals and the occasional good arch. Even with this improved visuals that doesn't mean that they don't skimp corners. A trained eye can see that much, but a casual user or young child would hardly notice that particular animation is one they use every time Ash calls the attack if they simply place it on a different background.

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    True anime fans will except the show for what it is and not just some characters. The show is an endless cycle over and over but it is for children and if you're looking for something of a change hten maybe this is not the anime for you or maybe it's time to grow up. Just because you might not like it doesn't mean other kids doesn't.

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    Just because something's for kids doesn't mean they should be treated as a pile of disposable income with the collective intellect of Beavis and Butthead. I'd like to see a Pokémon show that's actual entertainment, and not some stupid merchandising ploy.
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    Good for you Yuyama. Too bad you've singlehandedly torpedoed any lingering respect I and anyone else had for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spin Attaxx View Post
    Just because something's for kids doesn't mean they should be treated as a pile of disposable income with the collective intellect of Beavis and Butthead. I'd like to see a Pokémon show that's actual entertainment, and not some stupid merchandising ploy.
    This, the franchise deserves so much better.

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    The fans are the people who enjoy it. The true fans are the people who watch every single episode, whether they started from the beginning, or was introduced to it in X Generation and watched all of the episodes prior.

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    The little kids in JAP are the true fans.

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    The real fans are the ones who still watch the Anime, don't think Misty was the best and can grow up and move on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by squrtle View Post
    The real fans are the ones who still watch the Anime, don't think Misty was the best and can grow up and move on.
    Okay I hope that's true and that the main target of being aimed for children and don't have to worry about older episodes and move on as it evolves and shifts writers and characters! I hope that the Season One & Misty Fanboys are not the main target and don't impact the show!

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