POP MUSIC 2013: does your fav even have a #1 hit?

**Hudsonn98** · 17th February 2013, 2:10 PM

Originally Posted by flamebeam

i sense a little viciousness here, 1rkhachatryan

i hope lady gaga has a successful surgery. it's always a bummer when life problems interfere with an artist's career because it's harder to make a comeback, especially for someone who's been out of the picture like gaga, ~~and with an interesting? album that mainstream may or may not accept~~

Wasn't Gaga due to release an album last month. I don't know where I heard that.

**flamebeam** · 17th February 2013, 5:05 PM

Originally Posted by Hudsonn98

Wasn't Gaga due to release an album last month. I don't know where I heard that.

either way, it's gonna be delayed now due to Gaga's injury/surgery. and like SC said, ARTPOP will be released 2.5 years after her previous album, Born This Way, so it's gonna be much more difficult than any of us initially assumed for her to successfully make a comeback

**HoennMaster** · 17th February 2013, 11:48 PM

There was speculation she was going to release a single around Feb/March since ARTPOP was supposedly going to be released around May/June, but will her injury all plans are on hold.

**Silent Conversation** · 18th February 2013, 5:57 AM

I know it would be kind of difficult and would also be a bit of an unethical move, but it would almost benefit Gaga to release a lead single really soon instead of post-surgery. After MTN flopped, people kind of stopped talking about her and she wasn't really getting that much public attention even with her tour starting. Now, though, a lot of major Internet pop culture websites and radio stations are talking about her because of her injury, which is bringing her back in the public eye. That would mean this would actually be a great opportunity to release a lead single - but like I said, trying to capitalize on your injury is kind of uncool.

**flamebeam** · 18th February 2013, 6:10 AM

did anyone catch Beyonce's HBO documentary? i saw a little bit of it. from what i collected, it was her struggling to hide her pregnancy because she didn't want people to know about it before the safety point. and she kept thanking God for everything. and then there was other stuff like how she's learned about the music biz from her father and husband. overall, the message was pure and she's an amazing vocalist/performer, so i was content

**Silent Conversation** · 21st February 2013, 12:45 AM

Major chart news: Billboard has now added YouTube views to its Hot 100 formula.

With that in mind, here's the Top 10 for the Hot 100 coming out tomorrow (dated March 2nd):

1. "Harlem Shake" - Baauer (21ST #1 DEBUT EVER!)
2. "Thrift Shop" - Macklemore & Ryan Lewis ft. Wanz (-1)
3. "Stay" - Rihanna (+54)
4. "Scream & Shout" - will.i.am & Britney Spears (-1)
5. "I Knew You Were Trouble." - Taylor Swift (=)
6. "Ho Hey" - The Lumineers (-2)
7. "Locked Out Of Heaven" - Bruno Mars (-5)
8. "When I Was Your Man" - Bruno Mars (+1)
9. "Suit & Tie" - Justin Timberlake ft. Jay-Z (-1)
10. "Started From The Bottom" - Drake (+51)

Personal comments/my rant on the new YouTube addition:

Firstly, this is completely unfair to "Thrift Shop" that this change happened when it did. It's currently coming for #1 on airplay, is selling 400K+ weekly sales and is breaking records for on-demand streaming. Under the old formula, this would have led it to possibly get up to 10 or more weeks at #1 on the Hot 100. But now with this stupid YouTube addition, there's no way "Thrift Shop" will be able to compete with "Harlem Shake" and it will be stuck at #2 for weeks even though it rightfully deserves to spend those weeks at #1.

Also, it's absolutely ridiculous that "Harlem Shake" gets to debut at #1. It only debuted at #3 on Digital Songs this week (selling LESS than 300K), it has practically zero airplay and it has a tiny amount of non-YouTube streaming. Being a viral hit on YouTube should not deem a song to be the most popular song in the country, especially since this is the US Hot 100 but YouTube is worldwide. If people don't like the song enough to buy it or it's not being advertised through radio, it shouldn't be able to let its views carry it to a high overall ranking. Plus, even if Billboard still insists on adding YouTube views, "Harlem Shake" should only be getting points from the official audio on YouTube, not from every single individual user uploaded video of people dancing to it.

Also, if YouTube views are to be included in the Hot 100 formula, it should really be weighted a lot less than it is now. "Thrift Shop" broke streaming records with 1.6 million streams, but now with YouTube, "Harlem Shake" got 103 million streams. That probably means they're counting every view as a point, which is waaaay too over-weighted. Making every 1000 views = 1 point or even every 100 views = 1 point would make more sense.

This also gives too much power to random, non-paying music users in determining what does well on the Hot 100. Before, a song's success was deemed by radio, digital and streaming - one of those is not controllable by the public and the other two are controlled by the public provided they pay. If people aren't willing to pay for a song - a common occurrence in the music industry - it doesn't deserve to be considered popular over another song that people are willing to pay for. This also puts way too much power in music video releases in general. A brand new music video gets way more views in its first week than a video that's been out for months, so now every time a song's music video is released, it will see a massive jump on the Hot 100.

I know this is practically an essay that very few of you (if any) will read, so...

tl;dr: "Harlem Shake" is a very undeserving #1 debut, "Thrift Shop" is getting majorly snubbed because of this, YouTube is weighted way too much in the formula and non-paying stans have too much power.

Even though this is a hectic Top 10, I'm not going to comment on the rest of it because I'm too annoyed by this.

**flamebeam** · 21st February 2013, 1:13 AM

SC, i read your essay. don't feel special, though, because I read everybody's everything. and I totally agree about YouTube videos being overweighted. songs that get this popular from YouTube this quickly are usually wacky songs that are #1 for a couple weeks, like gangnam style. i mean, think about this: if they did this 2 years ago, rebecca black would've been a #1 artist. oh, the monstrosity! i thought it was a crime for CMM to steal #1's from lights, wide awake, etc. but for youtube hits to steal #1's from beautifully composed and executed songs, that would be even worse. so yeah, they need to fix that...

but i must admit that harlem shake is my guilty pleasure. there's something wrong with you if that song doesn't make you wanna shake

**Takaru** · 21st February 2013, 1:24 AM

The Youtube formula is ridiculous. It defeats the purpose of the entire BB Hot 100 entirely. Its a foolish move. They need to just go back to radio and digital sales.

**1rkhachatryan** · 21st February 2013, 4:07 AM

Originally Posted by Silent Conversation

Major chart news: Billboard has now added YouTube views to its Hot 100 formula.

With that in mind, here's the Top 10 for the Hot 100 coming out tomorrow (dated March 2nd):

1. "Harlem Shake" - Baauer (21ST #1 DEBUT EVER!)
2. "Thrift Shop" - Macklemore & Ryan Lewis ft. Wanz (-1)
3. "Stay" - Rihanna (+54)
4. "Scream & Shout" - will.i.am & Britney Spears (-1)
5. "I Knew You Were Trouble." - Taylor Swift (=)
6. "Ho Hey" - The Lumineers (-2)
7. "Locked Out Of Heaven" - Bruno Mars (-5)
8. "When I Was Your Man" - Bruno Mars (+1)
9. "Suit & Tie" - Justin Timberlake ft. Jay-Z (-1)
10. "Started From The Bottom" - Drake (+51)

Personal comments/my rant on the new YouTube addition:

Firstly, this is completely unfair to "Thrift Shop" that this change happened when it did. It's currently coming for #1 on airplay, is selling 400K+ weekly sales and is breaking records for on-demand streaming. Under the old formula, this would have led it to possibly get up to 10 or more weeks at #1 on the Hot 100. But now with this stupid YouTube addition, there's no way "Thrift Shop" will be able to compete with "Harlem Shake" and it will be stuck at #2 for weeks even though it rightfully deserves to spend those weeks at #1.

Also, it's absolutely ridiculous that "Harlem Shake" gets to debut at #1. It only debuted at #3 on Digital Songs this week (selling LESS than 300K), it has practically zero airplay and it has a tiny amount of non-YouTube streaming. Being a viral hit on YouTube should not deem a song to be the most popular song in the country, especially since this is the US Hot 100 but YouTube is worldwide. If people don't like the song enough to buy it or it's not being advertised through radio, it shouldn't be able to let its views carry it to a high overall ranking. Plus, even if Billboard still insists on adding YouTube views, "Harlem Shake" should only be getting points from the official audio on YouTube, not from every single individual user uploaded video of people dancing to it.

Also, if YouTube views are to be included in the Hot 100 formula, it should really be weighted a lot less than it is now. "Thrift Shop" broke streaming records with 1.6 million streams, but now with YouTube, "Harlem Shake" got 103 million streams. That probably means they're counting every view as a point, which is waaaay too over-weighted. Making every 1000 views = 1 point or even every 100 views = 1 point would make more sense.

This also gives too much power to random, non-paying music users in determining what does well on the Hot 100. Before, a song's success was deemed by radio, digital and streaming - one of those is not controllable by the public and the other two are controlled by the public provided they pay. If people aren't willing to pay for a song - a common occurrence in the music industry - it doesn't deserve to be considered popular over another song that people are willing to pay for. This also puts way too much power in music video releases in general. A brand new music video gets way more views in its first week than a video that's been out for months, so now every time a song's music video is released, it will see a massive jump on the Hot 100.

I know this is practically an essay that very few of you (if any) will read, so...

tl;dr: "Harlem Shake" is a very undeserving #1 debut, "Thrift Shop" is getting majorly snubbed because of this, YouTube is weighted way too much in the formula and non-paying stans have too much power.

Even though this is a hectic Top 10, I'm not going to comment on the rest of it because I'm too annoyed by this.

Sweet, I'm loving Stay so I'm happy

.

~~Go Bruno Mars <3!!!~~

**pokemonsquared** · 21st February 2013, 4:08 AM

Where on earth did this Harlem shake thing start anyways -.-

**1rkhachatryan** · 21st February 2013, 5:35 AM

Ok just watched Thrift shop and I had the da fuq face on the whole time lol.

**Geekachu** · 21st February 2013, 9:44 AM

If only Terrakion was still here, he'd have something to say about this.

But lmao, they included this AFTER everyone and their grandmother seethed at One More Night taking Gangnam Style's number one? I can understand their intentions which is to try and quantify the pop culture influence of songs at a moment in time. After all, it is called the Billboard Hot 100 which indicates it ranks songs on their popularity, and there are other charts for strictly digital sales if anyone wants them. Furthermore, money is generated from views so it is arguably part of the music market.

Although, I don't think this is going to have that a profound effect on the charts really. Sure, viral sensations like Harlem Shake and acts like 1D and Justin Bieber (with their obsessive teen girls) will experience boosts but the main people from whom we can expect number ones this year - Katy, Rihanna, Gaga, Beyonce - rack up plenty of views anyway. It's an understandable addition, although I will be pissed when this helps Rihanna get lord-knows how many undeserved number ones.

I admit though that it is scary to think Harlem Shake would have debuted at #15, but thanks to its YouTube hits, most of which are around forty seconds, it stole Macklemore's number one with (apparently) 3.5x the amount of chart points. The only explanation is that they're doing a 1 hit = 1 point system, which is dubious especially considering that this comes a few weeks after many Vevo accounts were stripped of 'fake' views.

Originally Posted by Silent Conversation

Being a viral hit on YouTube should not deem a song to be the most popular song in the country, especially since this is the US Hot 100 but YouTube is worldwide.

I'm sure Nielsen will easily have their methods (using IPs, for instance) to get the American views.

Originally Posted by Takaru

The Youtube formula is ridiculous. It defeats the purpose of the entire BB Hot 100 entirely. Its a foolish move. They need to just go back to radio and digital sales.

Where-eh-eh-eh-eh-eh-eh-eh-eh-eh have you been?

Also I doubt that anyone cares but the BRIT awards were hosted last night. It's possibily the worst award show in music but Frank Ocean won 'Best International Male', so for once I was happy with their 'you attend, you win'-policy. Lana Del Rey and Adele also won stuff and T-Swizzle and JT also performed.

**Ke$ha** · 21st February 2013, 9:02 PM

Wow I havent even heard most of the new top ten songs and whats with Stay climbing to number three so fast?? I didnt think it was so popular or are the Youtube views helping it? This is why i dont usually pay attention to the charts cuz I think its ridiculous how some songs do well on the charts even if theyre not that good

**Takaru** · 21st February 2013, 11:52 PM

Originally Posted by geekachu

where-eh-eh-eh-eh-eh-eh-eh-eh-eh have you been?

atrl.....:i

**Geekachu** · 22nd February 2013, 1:22 AM

So I flicked onto atrl randomly and found this thing Kelly Clarkson wrote to Clive Davis in response to his memoirs. Apparently he said that she broke down crying or something when he asked for 'Since U Been Gone' to be included on her album. idk

Originally Posted by Kelly Clarkson

Hey y'all,

So I just heard Clive Davis is releasing a memoir and spreading false information about me and my music. I refuse to be bullied and I just have to clear up his memory lapses and misinformation for myself and for my fans. It feels like a violation. Growing up is awesome because you learn you don't have to cower to anyone - even Clive Davis.

First, he says I burst into "hysterical sobbing" in his office when he demanded Since You Been Gone be on my album. Not true at all. His stories and songs are mixed up. I did want more guitars added to the original demo and Clive did not. Max, Luke and I still fought for the bigger sound and we prevailed and I couldn't be more proud of the life of that song. I resent him dampening that song in any way.

But, yes, I did cry in his office once. I cried after I played him a song I had written about my life called "Because Of You." I cried because he hated it and told me verbatim that I was a "sh*tty writer who should be grateful for the gifts that he bestows upon me." He continued on about how the song didn't rhyme and how I should just shut up and sing. This was devastating coming from a man who I, as a young girl, considered a musical hero and was so honored to work with.
But I continued to fight for the song and the label relented. And it became a worldwide hit. He didn't include that in the book.

He also goes on to say My December wasn't successful because I co-penned the album and it didn't have "pop hits". Well, first let me say, I've co-penned many of my "pop hits." Secondly, My December went platinum (It sold 20,000 less than All I Ever Wanted which followed My December.) Hardly a huge failure. Never Again, the ONLY single they released in the US from that record was a Top 10 hit. I am very proud of that and I have my fans to thank. But, again, what's most interesting about his story is what he leaves out: He doesn't mention how he stood up in front of his company at a convention and belittled me and my music and completely sabotaged the entire project. It never had a chance to reach it's full potential. My December was an album I needed to make for myself for many reasons and the fact that I was so completely disregarded and disrespected was so disheartening, there really aren't words to explain….

Anyway, I love my job. I love my music. I love my fans. I love my label and all of my professional relationships… now. And I am grateful for Clive for teaching me to know the difference.

Cheers to another amazing year! And, as always, thanks for listening!

KC

Originally Posted by Takaru

atrl.....:i

welp

don't. And bring back terrakion too. We're not as bad as we used to be any more. I think.

**1rkhachatryan** · 22nd February 2013, 6:22 AM

Originally Posted by Ke$ha

Wow I havent even heard most of the new top ten songs and whats with Stay climbing to number three so fast?? I didnt think it was so popular or are the Youtube views helping it? This is why i dont usually pay attention to the charts cuz I think its ridiculous how some songs do well on the charts even if theyre not that good

Hey!!! Stay is amazing

I miss this kind of music from Rihanna, I'm tired of her ****ty nasty faze...

**kuzronk** · 22nd February 2013, 1:53 PM

Originally Posted by pokemonsquared

Where on earth did this Harlem shake thing start anyways -.-

It came out in 2012,got relesed on itunes in Jan and some people made videos of it around feb and it became popular.

I find the Youtube formula to be rather stupid. Should only be a billboard chart that isn't the main chart.

**Silent Conversation** · 22nd February 2013, 5:06 PM

The more I've thought about it, the more I realize it's not even the inclusion of Youtube views that bothers me. It's that part of those included Youtube views are any user-submitted video that uses any part of the official version of the song. "Harlem Shake" is getting its massive amount of views not from its official channel's video, but from random 30 second videos of people dancing. If they kept it to just music videos or official videos released by the artist/record label, that would be fine - but now every single time a viral video includes a song in its background, that song is going to fly up the charts, even if nobody's coming to the video to listen to the actual song.

~~Also, where was this Youtube rule when "Friday" was popular? I would have loved to see it dominate the charts with 10+ weeks at #1~~

**Takaru** · 22nd February 2013, 8:58 PM

Originally Posted by Geekachu

welp

don't. And bring back terrakion too. We're not as bad as we used to be any more. I think.

I never thought ya'll were bad, I just wanted to engage in more conversation. But I can never leave this place, its been six years and I still come back.

OT:

So since Ke$ha's second single C'Mon flopped and destroyed her top ten streak :L

What should her third single be?

**Geekachu** · 23rd February 2013, 2:37 PM

Originally Posted by Takaru

I never thought ya'll were bad, I just wanted to engage in more conversation. But I can never leave this place, its been six years and I still come back.

We were, the messes that thread used to get into

As for Ke$ha, I think her under-performing is pretty simply because she hasn't released anything as novel or fun as TiK ToK. All her singes up to Blow rode on the success of her debut, so the average singles from Warrior and the hiatus have damaged her severely, which is a shame considering Warrior was actually quite good in comparison to other 2012 releases (MDNA, Unapologetic, Electra Heart, etc). I mean, I actually quite like C'Mon, it just isn't anything as good as TiK ToK. I know Ke$ha's fans seem to like Supernatural, but imo Gold Trans Am would be a perfect single choice. It's definitely one of the better tracks off Warrior, and it's catchy and has the distinct, fun nature of TiK ToK. I really like it, actually.

I also like Wonderland but we all know that's not going to see the light of day.

On another note, in the space of a few days Rihanna's been criticised by Beyonce and Dido. Beyonce doesn't actually refer to Rihanna, but it's pretty blatant who she's talking about.

Beyonce: "People don't make albums any more. They don't make albums any more. They just try to sell a bunch of lil quick singles. And they burn out, and they put out a new one, and they burn out, and they put out a new one"
Dido: "Rihanna seems to release every week an album on the market. Incredible! When does she has time to write her songs? I could never publish music that means nothing to me."

Anyone else disapprove of Rihanna's method of yearly releases?

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