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    i hope froakie evolve to its final stage BUt you know anime affect , they can make froakie marketable like giving a personality like to dance (totodile ) or chasing girl ( OShawott ) well i hope i'm wrong :3
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    Quote Originally Posted by k6666 View Post
    i hope froakie evolve to its final stage BUt you know anime affect , they can make froakie marketable like giving a personality like to dance (totodile ) or chasing girl ( OShawott ) well i hope i'm wrong :3
    I think they would make Chespin do that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doryuzu View Post
    If by fans you mean preschoolers and kindergartens, the true target audience, yes they do.
    This is the target of the manga scans (that now they are airing sketches promoting the Eevee short) but not the entire. The target above it (6-12) is the most important target of the Pokemon anime. Children of 3 and 6 years probably don't care about the series, but kids of 6-12 years care about the writing. And they apparently don't liking Best Wishes, specially Decolora Adventure (ratings). And older fans exist (or existed?), specially in Japan.

    Quote Originally Posted by Doryuzu View Post
    They don't have to heavily give a crap about fans who aren't really lucrative to the franchise anymore, so yeah they can leave out older fans all they want. Pokemon did its job, it made you buy toys and video games.
    I don't think that the anime is happy what they are doing. Recently, the Pokemon show is out of the Top 10 many weeks. For the franchise, it isn't doing well. I think that children think that DA is boring like us.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cresselia92 View Post
    But wouldn't them have more success and income if they geared the Pokemon franchise toward a wider audience? You can't say for sure if teenagers and adults wouldn't buy a Pokemon game. In fact, I think that because some things have been too childish the franchise is considered for kids. It's only a matter of putting some actual effort and take some risks.

    That's only my opinion, of course, but I feel that the Pokemon franchise isn't realizing its full potential.
    I think that pokemon should be less kiddy, but keeping kids as a target audience.

    Quote Originally Posted by Doryuzu View Post
    I don't even think even quarter of the audience that plays the games watches the anime anymore. The games, iirc, are more family-orientated. The is made for children, if the writers have a formula that works I really don't see them changing it to be honest by targeting older fans of Pokemon. Though I see what you mean.
    Technically the anime should have more viewers than the games. The anime can be watching with a cable plataform and a TV (and in Japan, only the former is required to watch TV Tokyo in the Kanto area) but to get the games you have to buy a Nintendo 3DS and the games. And is a problem of the anime if it's true what you said if it's really true because differenciates the games and the anime (and remember, the anime isn't a manga)

    Quote Originally Posted by TheFonz View Post
    True, there have been older fans who have dropped the anime, but BW hasn't helped. But...the older audience still buys a ton of Pokémon merchandise. I've seen many older fans who have HUGE collections dating back to when Pokémon first started. I buy plushies myself when I can. I've also received Pokémon merchandise as gifts.

    Why would it be a good idea to completely ignore the older fans as you say? It would be bad to cater to them, but it's just as bad to cater to the young ones and only care about introducing new people to Pokémon. Which from the recent episodes, why even bring back older characters? Why have Ash? Why have Pikachu as a mascot for 15 years? Why have TR? Why make A LOT of older references? Why dedicate an entire 20-something minute episode to Charizard? Why bring Charozard back? Why show Muk? Why show Professor Oak? Why make similarities between Unova and Kanto?

    It doesn't make sense that the older fans have absolutely ZERO effect on ANYTHING
    They are doing it because it can be exciting to new fans. Many people that watch the show in Japan knows what happened in the show before. And they are esciting to see a pokemon return.

    Quote Originally Posted by Joltik-Kid View Post
    When was Pokemon ever targeting those age groups? Last I checked/remembered, Pokemon was created for kids in first grade and up (possibly even a little older then that) :P
    The ideal target of pokemon is 10 years old like Ash. .

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    Quote Originally Posted by fer92 View Post
    This is the target of the manga scans (that now they are airing sketches promoting the Eevee short) but not the entire. The target above it (6-12) is the most important target of the Pokemon anime. Children of 3 and 6 years probably don't care about the series, but kids of 6-12 years care about the writing. And they apparently don't liking Best Wishes, specially Decolora Adventure (ratings). And older fans exist (or existed?), specially in Japan.


    I don't think that the anime is happy what they are doing. Recently, the Pokemon show is out of the Top 10 many weeks. For the franchise, it isn't doing well. I think that children think that DA is boring like us.


    I think that pokemon should be less kiddy, but keeping kids as a target audience.


    Technically the anime should have more viewers than the games. The anime can be watching with a cable plataform and a TV (and in Japan, only the former is required to watch TV Tokyo in the Kanto area) but to get the games you have to buy a Nintendo 3DS and the games. And is a problem of the anime if it's true what you said if it's really true because differenciates the games and the anime (and remember, the anime isn't a manga)


    They are doing it because it can be exciting to new fans. Many people that watch the show in Japan knows what happened in the show before. And they are esciting to see a pokemon return.


    The ideal target of pokemon is 10 years old like Ash. .
    I think many people on this forum are nearly 20 and a few even above that, if all of us were Japanese then we could be enough force to make them write the anime better. Sadly, we're not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracoflare View Post
    I think many people on this forum are nearly 20 and a few even above that, if all of us were Japanese then we could be enough force to make them write the anime better. Sadly, we're not.
    I have seen people on japanese forums complaining. Of course they don't get as out of hand as people here but still. Tbh I see no reason why the anime can't get a little darker (Still not dark as in Death Note lol but like Digimon or Yugioh). I think at this point they don't need to market the anime as much as just have a Pokemon anime. If the anime just ended I doubt we would see a huge sale drop in the games. This is why I would much rather get an actual plot filled series that runs maybe only 52 episodes instead of a series that serves as a commercial among others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MidnightMelody View Post
    I have seen people on japanese forums complaining. Of course they don't get as out of hand as people here but still. Tbh I see no reason why the anime can't get a little darker (Still not dark as in Death Note lol but like Digimon or Yugioh). I think at this point they don't need to market the anime as much as just have a Pokemon anime. If the anime just ended I doubt we would see a huge sale drop in the games. This is why I would much rather get an actual plot filled series that runs maybe only 52 episodes instead of a series that serves as a commercial among others.
    Yea, I thought Best wishes would be a less fillered DP. It seems as if it was going to start like that, but after the whole earthquake thing, that is when the disappointments begun. Maybe XY will pick up and show some good progress?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MidnightMelody View Post
    I have seen people on japanese forums complaining. Of course they don't get as out of hand as people here but still. Tbh I see no reason why the anime can't get a little darker (Still not dark as in Death Note lol but like Digimon or Yugioh). I think at this point they don't need to market the anime as much as just have a Pokemon anime. If the anime just ended I doubt we would see a huge sale drop in the games. This is why I would much rather get an actual plot filled series that runs maybe only 52 episodes instead of a series that serves as a commercial among others.
    Agreed.
    Way i see it there is no reason for writers not to care both for target and older audience achieving some sort of compromise when it comes to people desires.

    Because one of fundamental points in establishing and maintaining successful franchise and show in TV industry is in producers and writers making sure to write in way which would satisfy customer needs making their product wanted and appealing to much wider group of people as possible, serving as ensuring policy how positive reception will lead to spread of positive experiences to wider group of fans out here leading to increase of popularity and money.

    And by this im not alluding to moves extremists propose such as use of violence, guns, blood, sexual themes etc but more in making pokemon seriues more continuity based and appealing toward all kind of groups they wish to aim for. Such as development of characters and pokemon coming of in more believable way, making anime more continuity based filled with stable cast and solid story. Previous companions not disappearing forever once they leave cast working more with something you already established, taking it forward etc.

    Something other shows aimed at kids are handling better.

    Such things wouldn't drastically change current format of show maintaining interest among younger generations, but they would in long run make anime more appealing to wider group of people with generations of them which grew up with pokemon and characters not feeling ignored and abandoned in process.

    For example lets take a look at previous characters. We had so many great companions whether its Misty, May, Brock, Dawn etc with who people grew up, grow attached to enjoying in their dreams and various quirks just to see each and every one of them replaced unfinished while having potential to offer much more eventually fading away diminishing impact and importance they left on anime as whole. Just to follow same thing happening all over again with new incomers.

    I say why not for change reuse those proven to be successful and appealing doing build up on their stories by being took in new, fresh directions updated with new outfits, pokemon and subplots to add more meat on their past and story.

    That way prerequisites could be created toward more continuity based story, have them build friendship between Ash and previous friends since they have already history, have on going story established in past on which writers could just pick up from where they left going forward by injecting more complex/harder challenges for them to overcome as well strengthen connection to past sagas and show history leading toward more eventful story.

    Solution as such doesn't lie in constantly replacing characters, doing "new starts" etc which reflect negatively as showed on anime current quality. But in cutting down on new incomers by keeping current or bringing past companions which increases continuity, allow for more concentrated and cohesive story and stable cast. Meaning stepping stone toward series becoming better written.

    For instance we could see May working on developing her own contest style, encountering new rivals, showing previous ones and how would things play out next, catching new pokemon and making further steps such as winning Grand Festival and how she would deal with "champion pressure", going through ferments what to do next.

    We could see Misty leaving gym to advance her dream of becoming master of water types(like other gym leaders in past did , Wallace being most famous example)going on next level as trainer by entering events which use water to full potential and test out if you know how to adapt to current situation and use terrain to your advantage. Whether its underwater battling, races, battles on dry land where you have to innovate etc.
    Try to become E4 member or apprentice which fits her since they are best mono type specialists in world, explore more on her past like family, fears from bugs, learn how to develop defense against electric or grass types or establish closer bond with pokemon growing emotionally.

    Have them for example set Max on journey receiving starter and incorporating in current show stricture as rival perhaps allowing to have promised battle on Ash and have friendly, fierce competition between two friends etc.etc. etc.

    Ideas are there and potential, but would writers be ever willing to follow examples of other shows like Inazuma Eleven Go, Bakugan, Naruto etc which are implementing such concepts refurbishing series appeal and giving on table something in what everyone can enjoy?

    That would be certainly something new and exciting than abandonment which brings nothing for continuity and prevents previous protagonist to be used to full potential, doing them injustice when they still have interesting things to expand upon not receiving recognition as someone who helped build pokemon history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrizza88 View Post
    Yea, I thought Best wishes would be a less fillered DP. It seems as if it was going to start like that, but after the whole earthquake thing, that is when the disappointments begun. Maybe XY will pick up and show some good progress?
    Watch as Japan is hit by a tornado and they ban all Flying-types. Oh, and somewhere in the beginning where there was so much buildup to a confrontation, Yveltal will get shafted over Xerneas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AuraChannelerChris View Post
    Watch as Japan is hit by a tornado and they ban all Flying-types. Oh, and somewhere in the beginning where there was so much buildup to a confrontation, Yveltal will get shafted over Xerneas.
    you know what's funny, it's interesting how "surf" wasn't** banned, since it is basically a tsunami? I wish they could just air the banned episodes, but it wouldn't make sense since the TP / N episodes were basically taking the place of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrizza88 View Post
    you know what's funny, it's interesting how "surf" was banned, since it is basically a tsunami? I wish they could just air the banned episodes, but it wouldn't make sense since the TP / N episodes were basically taking the place of that.
    Surf appeared just last week. It isn't banned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracoflare View Post
    Surf appeared just last week. It isn't banned.
    I meant to say wasn't* simple typo, but thanks for correcting anyway. I was trying to say how earthquake moves are banned, yet surf exists.

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    I have an off topic question , but have you seen the earliest pokemon smash?? They aired the whole charmander episode ... why do you think they did that?
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    I think they might bring the original trio together in the show and they are trying to introduce them to younger generation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by besho View Post
    I think they might bring the original trio together in the show and they are trying to introduce them to younger generation.
    They've been airing older episodes of each saga every week for years. They're done at random.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrizza88 View Post
    you know what's funny, it's interesting how "surf" wasn't** banned, since it is basically a tsunami? I wish they could just air the banned episodes, but it wouldn't make sense since the TP / N episodes were basically taking the place of that.
    Surf has NOTHING compared to one single splash from Wailord. Why else would its species never fight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by besho View Post
    I have an off topic question , but have you seen the earliest pokemon smash?? They aired the whole charmander episode ... why do you think they did that?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95aNS...re=c4-overview
    They do that a lot, have random old episodes of the anime before having smash on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by k6666 View Post
    i hope froakie evolve to its final stage BUt you know anime affect , they can make froakie marketable like giving a personality like to dance (totodile ) or chasing girl ( OShawott ) well i hope i'm wrong :3
    You mean the "Water-type curse" thing that's probably just a complete coincidence? And I don't think Totodile had a dynamic personality. His little dances were cute and sometimes funny, but dancing isn't a personality trait. I have no idea how Froakie would be handled if Ash caught one, but I'm willing to bet that it wouldn't be that popular. I mean Fennekin and Chespin seem to have more fans than Froakie already. Not sure how Chespin got so popular, but Fennekin seems more likely to be caught by Ash simply because of her fanbase, which already rivals Piplup's in size imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ciccone View Post
    You mean the "Water-type curse" thing that's probably just a complete coincidence? And I don't think Totodile had a dynamic personality. His little dances were cute and sometimes funny, but dancing isn't a personality trait. I have no idea how Froakie would be handled if Ash caught one, but I'm willing to bet that it wouldn't be that popular. I mean Fennekin and Chespin seem to have more fans than Froakie already. Not sure how Chespin got so popular, but Fennekin seems more likely to be caught by Ash simply because of her fanbase, which already rivals Piplup's in size imo.
    Piplup doesn't have much of a fanbase to beat tbh, also lets not forget that the popularity of these starters could change in a split-second once their further evolutions are revealed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doryuzu View Post
    They've been airing older episodes of each saga every week for years. They're done at random.
    Random isn't an apt word to describe how they choose them at times, certainly not a coincidence that they aired the Charizard valley episode a few days before Charizard returned.

    This one was random, though.

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    Honestly if the writers didn't give a damn about the older fans, they wouldn't have all the throw backs to the past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ciccone View Post
    You mean the "Water-type curse" thing that's probably just a complete coincidence? And I don't think Totodile had a dynamic personality. His little dances were cute and sometimes funny, but dancing isn't a personality trait. I have no idea how Froakie would be handled if Ash caught one, but I'm willing to bet that it wouldn't be that popular. I mean Fennekin and Chespin seem to have more fans than Froakie already. Not sure how Chespin got so popular, but Fennekin seems more likely to be caught by Ash simply because of her fanbase, which already rivals Piplup's in size imo.
    If fennekin enda up fire/fighting, I guarantee it won't be so popular.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1rkhachatryan View Post
    Honestly if the writers didn't give a damn about the older fans, they wouldn't have all the throw backs to the past.
    Yeah I know right? I kinda get annoyed when some older fans whine about how Pokemon sucks now and yada yada, but to each their own I guess. Anyway
    all I gotta say about the updated trailer on Pokemon X and Y is...I can't wait to sit on DAT BENCH xD. Oh, and also I wonder what Ash's first pokemon is going
    to be when he arrives in the Kalos Region.

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    Quote Originally Posted by idawnhikari View Post
    Yeah I know right? I kinda get annoyed when some older fans whine about how Pokemon sucks now and yada yada, but to each their own I guess. Anyway
    all I gotta say about the updated trailer on Pokemon X and Y is...I can't wait to sit on DAT BENCH xD. Oh, and also I wonder what Ash's first pokemon is going
    to be when he arrives in the Kalos Region.
    Most likely either chespin or fletchling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yuoke View Post
    Most likely either chespin or fletchling.
    Hm, I'm actually hoping it's Fenniken but Chespin and fletchling are cool too. He'll probably(or most likely)catch fletchling along the road.

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