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    Quote Originally Posted by pokemonsquared View Post
    He probably means a girl that ends up crushing on him while hiding it under a veneer of violence and frivolous anger.
    AKA a fierce Tsundere. Japan loves them. The writers are that low in the dumps to use this method.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShinyCharyZard View Post
    What is this i don't even..?

    Since when did my own personal opinion of a Pokemon and what I personally want for the XY saga become any more open to attack than another persons? Sorry I don't share your opinion on this, but does it matter to you that much? I don't think I said once that if I like/dislike something, then that's how it's got to be.. All I said was that I don't feel I could appreciate a certain few Pokemon if they were on the team, which is simply my personal opinion on them.. yeesh talk about close-mindedness.
    I think it's because you seem to get so bent out of a shape over a single Pokemon.

    No one should stop watching something over one simple thing. Maybe a whole bunch of things, but I don't see how one Pokemon is somehow going to make the show so intolerable, that you cannot watch the show any more.

    I mean, what, you can't ignore the Pokemon when it comes on screen?
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    Are we talking about Ash changing accessories/etc. to match the features of the games?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joltik-Kid View Post
    Are we talking about Ash changing accessories/etc. to match the features of the games?
    I'd only like that idea, if Ash won these accessories through battling.

    Who knows maybe the girl, will be a Master Accessory Collector, battling people for rare and interesting accessories, and her biggest rival could easily be Ash, who only enters for the battles (sometimes gives his accessories to the girl, because he doesn't want them). While the third and or 4th people of the group, could just only occasionally enter the battles, while remaining spectators for some of the time.

    Something like that I would be fine with.

    Just straight up getting accessories and changing outfits, I wouldn't like too much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dman_dustin View Post
    I'd only like that idea, if Ash won these accessories through battling.

    Who knows maybe the girl, will be a Master Accessory Collector, battling people for rare and interesting accessories, and her biggest rival could easily be Ash, who only enters for the battles (sometimes gives his accessories to the girl, because he doesn't want them). While the third and or 4th people of the group, could just only occasionally enter the battles, while remaining spectators for some of the time.

    Something like that I would be fine with.

    Just straight up getting accessories and changing outfits, I wouldn't like too much.
    Sounds like the best way to get the female side character involved at this point...just have to wait and see if GameFreak introduces something new
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShinyCharyZard View Post
    If Talonflame can learn Blaze Kick, which it should because its apparently known for kicking, then I hope Ash does get one with that move..

    Aerial Ace, Blaze Kick, Quick Attack, Brave Bird seems a pretty likely moveset. I would leave Aerial Ace out and give it a long range special attack personally, but you know these writers love them some Aerial Ace..
    IF Ash gets one, which he likely will if this is the regional Swellow, I see Nitro Charge in lieu of quick Attack. And Hi-Jump Kick interchangeable with aerial ace or Blaze Kick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Durian Seed View Post
    IF Ash gets one, which he likely will if this is the regional Swellow, I see Nitro Charge in lieu of quick Attack. And Hi-Jump Kick interchangeable with aerial ace or Blaze Kick.
    I doubt it gets Hi Jump Kick, I hope it does get Blaze Kick and also hope that yes Flame charge is its quick attack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dman_dustin View Post
    I think it's because you seem to get so bent out of a shape over a single Pokemon.

    No one should stop watching something over one simple thing. Maybe a whole bunch of things, but I don't see how one Pokemon is somehow going to make the show so intolerable, that you cannot watch the show any more.

    I mean, what, you can't ignore the Pokemon when it comes on screen?
    Well I don't know about the person you quoted, but I would personally feel that Helioptile's capture would be the last straw. I mean I don't think I need to go into full detail about the things about this anime that bother me, but it's public knowledge that I think it's very flawed as it stands. Adding Helioptile to the mix would just sever any ties that I still have to the anime, which are already strained to be honest. But yeah, maybe it was just an exaggeration; I don't think anyone would suddenly stop watching the anime just because of one Pokemon. Although I don't see how anyone could ignore a Pokemon either; what, are we supposed to shift our eyes, cover our ears and go "la la la" whenever a Pokemon we don't like appears on-screen? Seems kind of extreme lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dman_dustin View Post
    I think it's because you seem to get so bent out of a shape over a single Pokemon.

    No one should stop watching something over one simple thing. Maybe a whole bunch of things, but I don't see how one Pokemon is somehow going to make the show so intolerable, that you cannot watch the show any more.

    I mean, what, you can't ignore the Pokemon when it comes on screen?
    I don't recall saying I'd stop watching the show, or anything remotely similar to that even once.. All I said was that I don't personally want it on the main cast because I dislike its design..

    This is why I don't really understand all the hubbub over my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShinyCharyZard View Post
    I don't recall saying I'd stop watching the show, or anything remotely similar to that even once.. All I said was that I don't personally want it on the main cast because I dislike its design..

    This is why I don't really understand all the hubbub over my opinion.
    Maybe but you are the one who said "I don't think I could handle watching that sock/puppet regularly."

    Sounds to me, in my opinion, if Helioptile were to be part of the main cast, you'd just stop watching the show.

    Or something of that nature.

    Quote Originally Posted by Charmed View Post
    Although I don't see how anyone could ignore a Pokemon either; what, are we supposed to shift our eyes, cover our ears and go "la la la" whenever a Pokemon we don't like appears on-screen? Seems kind of extreme lol.
    No, I suppose you're right, since I can't seem to ignore the fact that Ash won't use any of the Pokemon he needs to use for the screen time and development. And constantly uses Pikachu and Oshawott, over and over, although I guess in regard's to Oshawott, Ash's defense could be it comes out whenever it wants. However the same can not be applied to the worse offender Pikachu. If Oshawott would stop losing almost every "official" battle it's in, maybe I wouldn't mind Oshawott, but I'm still annoyed at the lack of real development for Ash's Pokemon. Some unfortunately can't develop without learning new moves (as in training to learn a new move, within the episode, argue all you want but Buizel learning ice punch was development, I am however not referring to Pokemon suddenly having moves like Palpitoad and sludge wave), or even evolving because the writers are too lazy to include other Pokemon.

    Still it's ridiculous to hate a Pokemon so much you dislike the show.

    Edit: I mean I can understand hating Pokemon because a Pokemon you like is rarely if at all seen, but I don't understand the reasoning for despising a Pokemon's design so much if it was part of the main cast, you'd "stop" watching the show. I think complaining of a Pokemon showing up too much while others get screwed over, would be a more valid complaint, than because you hate the Pokemon's design.
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    As far as idea of quartet group goes basing on what i read in last few pages ill readily agree with pro side being in favor of writers trying this set up once more. Most arguments which are against that don't sound very convincing to me because in Digimon its common practice to have 5+ companions, One Piece exceeds such number to 11+ and yet none of them feel left out getting development, chance to learn something and produce excellent multi layered interactions.

    So im sure 4 people cast wouldn't be especially hard feat to achieve if writers out a bit of thought and effort into it.

    Personally i never had issues with AG cast and Max with not every traveling companion needing to go through emotional breakdowns or huge growth with reasoning behind existence being to help others to develop easier, produce varied dynamic between main companions being possible to split it into 2 or more different ways of interacting between characters. And Max did that job well enriching may growth and characterization with his spats and clashes his instigating nature would cause.

    Cast of Ash and just one companion could have worked at best for few episodes imo, but definitely not over 100, or 150+ episodes being prone to quickly run out of steam. There is needed additional character who could bring order and stability into main cast helping them out, allow to explore on friendship and chemistry between main cast having more people who could interact between themselves and bond making chemistry more engaging, deeper and meaningful to follow.

    Not to mention while Cilan didn't developed much he was anything but passive as third wheel companion in BW battling, interacting with various characters and helping advance plot on numerous occasions being actually very active as character.
    Which was step up from amount of focus Brock got in DP which unfortunately wasn't much, making me believe how writers would do even better job with third companion for Kalos region.

    In other news:
    Personally i would take Cilan staying for Kalos region over any new character anyway. I like his flamboyant, passionate character having many interests and hobbies as character which could allow that writers explore more on him receiving some character growth. Region based on France sounds ideal fitting his characterization and i would be interested to learn more about character and his past, catch new pokemon, advance further in his connoisseur career instead of staying at A class forever. Heck if he stays i could see Burgundy continuing on next region too and shes one of my favorite rivals.

    I would take Iris over any new female as well. Because while she isn't my favorite cup of tea i would be far more interested in writers investing more in to already somewhat developed character with background having potential to go through bigger challenges and more meaningful growth. As opposite to having another inexperienced girl starting from scratch , developing basic friendship with Ash and others and go through rudimentary growth delivering us rehash of what we saw before with few minor alternations.

    Or one of previous companions coming back like Misty.
    She was great character, brought humor and tension within group with her multi sided personality missing interaction she brought. I also feel she had untapped potential left with writers not developing her as much as they could leaving several things about her goal, story, ambitions unexplored and unfinished.

    It would be definitely more refreshing and interesting to get this for XY region imo rather than usual repetitive scenery of Ash meeting another new girl and boy, get know each other stick for awhile learning basics being shipped to "shadowrealm" underdeveloped ignoring potential they have to offer more on table.

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    The best possible result for xy would be the overall maturity for ash of sinnoh, have his team kind of similar to hoenn, have the girl with the goals of something like dawn or may and personality of misty, the fillers of The first half of best wishes, and have a good league.
    Agreed on most things, though rather than getting new girl similar to Misty i would be more in favor of bringing her back doing sequel on what was done before.
    I believe reasoning behind her return could be very original and unpredictable, since her dreams offer several directions through which writers could do sequel ranking up and stepping up from current position like other water specialists in past did.And compared to Iris have enough material and versatility due to water being most spread type to create plausible storyline in form of benchmarks and take things forward as Whirl Cup showed. Along with having connections with E4 bringing another direction to do follow up and advance in career.

    Dunno imo it would be fun for change to see them invest more in already experienced female growing forward, rekindling on friendship with Ash and explore on chemistry with new companions going on bigger things. Heck if contests are back i would gladly welcome May return as well.

    But that's just me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pokemon fan 132 View Post
    As far as idea of quartet group goes basing on what i read in last few pages ill readily agree with pro side being in favor of writers trying this set up once more. Most arguments which are against that don't sound very convincing to me because in Digimon its common practice to have 5+ companions, One Piece exceeds such number to 11+ and yet none of them feel left out getting development, chance to learn something and produce excellent multi layered interactions.

    So im sure 4 people cast wouldn't be especially hard feat to achieve if writers out a bit of thought and effort into it.

    Personally i never had issues with AG cast and Max with not every traveling companion needing to go through emotional breakdowns or huge growth with reasoning behind existence being to help others to develop easier, produce varied dynamic between main companions being possible to split it into 2 or more different ways of interacting between characters. And Max did that job well enriching may growth and characterization with his spats and clashes his instigating nature would cause.

    Cast of Ash and just one companion could have worked at best for few episodes imo, but definitely not over 100, or 150+ episodes being prone to quickly run out of steam. There is needed additional character who could bring order and stability into main cast helping them out, allow to explore on friendship and chemistry between main cast having more people who could interact between themselves and bond making chemistry more engaging, deeper and meaningful to follow.

    Not to mention while Cilan didn't developed much he was anything but passive as third wheel companion in BW battling, interacting with various characters and helping advance plot on numerous occasions being actually very active as character.
    Which was step up from amount of focus Brock got in DP which unfortunately wasn't much, making me believe how writers would do even better job with third companion for Kalos region.

    In other news:
    Personally i would take Cilan staying for Kalos region over any new character anyway. I like his flamboyant, passionate character having many interests and hobbies as character which could allow that writers explore more on him receiving some character growth. Region based on France sounds ideal fitting his characterization and i would be interested to learn more about character and his past, catch new pokemon, advance further in his connoisseur career instead of staying at A class forever. Heck if he stays i could see Burgundy continuing on next region too and shes one of my favorite rivals.

    I would take Iris over any new female as well. Because while she isn't my favorite cup of tea i would be far more interested in writers investing more in to already somewhat developed character with background having potential to go through bigger challenges and more meaningful growth. As opposite to having another inexperienced girl starting from scratch , developing basic friendship with Ash and others and go through rudimentary growth delivering us rehash of what we saw before with few minor alternations.

    Or one of previous companions coming back like Misty.
    She was great character, brought humor and tension within group with her multi sided personality missing interaction she brought. I also feel she had untapped potential left with writers not developing her as much as they could leaving several things about her goal, story, ambitions unexplored and unfinished.

    It would be definitely more refreshing and interesting to get this for XY region imo rather than usual repetitive scenery of Ash meeting another new girl and boy, get know each other stick for awhile learning basics being shipped to "shadowrealm" underdeveloped ignoring potential they have to offer more on table.



    Agreed on most things, though rather than getting new girl similar to Misty i would be more in favor of bringing her back doing sequel on what was done before.
    I believe reasoning behind her return could be very original and unpredictable, since her dreams offer several directions through which writers could do sequel ranking up and stepping up from current position like other water specialists in past did.And compared to Iris have enough material and versatility due to water being most spread type to create plausible storyline in form of benchmarks and take things forward as Whirl Cup showed. Along with having connections with E4 bringing another direction to do follow up and advance in career.

    Dunno imo it would be fun for change to see them invest more in already experienced female growing forward, rekindling on friendship with Ash and explore on chemistry with new companions going on bigger things. Heck if contests are back i would gladly welcome May return as well.

    But that's just me.
    Nice post.

    A four member group will be really interesting. With 3 member groups we only have 3 different types of chemistry to go on with. For now, Ash and Iris have the whole Kodomo ne stuff, Cilan and Iris have the "He's such a pain" stuff, and Ash, Cilan....not so sure, maybe the admiration stuff? Anyway we have a 3-way interaction here. With four people, it will double to six. The problem with the four man group however is their Pokemon. The writers can't seem to handle more than 2 characters Pokemon. In DP it was Ash, Dawn. In AG it was Ash, May(Brock was neglected in either case.) In BW....Well let's just say Iris and Ash. (Cilan didn't get anything since Zeustle.) So, the fourth character will most likely be stuck with one Pokemon or two at most. They won't be evolving either I guess.

    But if we ignore that, the four person chemistry is indeed very good.

    I will agree with you. Sequel stories of past characters will be fun. But the writers seem to have given them some amount of closure. As much I wouldn't mind Misty returning, we need to remember that she is in a completely different track now. (AKA being a Gym Leader.) Her travelling with Ash will only be a step back towards her goal. Because the learning experience as a water type Gym Leader is much more valuable than travelling around with Ash. As much I like the character dynamic she brings, she just can't fit into a journey anymore. A temporary appearance like Dawn in the Junior Cup is possible if Ash participates in some water contest. Otherwise, I don't want her coming back because her character will be destroyed if anything. It will be Charizard all over again. Charizard has come for the fans. But let's be honest, he's a full grown Pokemon. Fully evolved Pokemon can't have as many interactions as unevolved do. With Charizard in the Valley, we can at least assume he's training his *** off.

    The same goes for May. She was given a full closure. She has found better travelling partners. I mean let's face it, Drew Harley and Solidad are very excellent coordinators. The amount of experience she gets from a fellow coordinator as a travelling partner is much more than what Ash could provide her. Ash taught her the basics of training, and that's it. She's experienced now, and Ash wouldn't be able to provide her with anything. Dawn on the other hand was given somewhat of an open end. She didn't start travelling with Kenny or Zoey. So if there's any character who could fit in by returning will be Dawn. But even Dawn was given a bit of closure through her special. She would perhaps travel the Hoenn, Johto regions and make be on her own than reunite with Ash.

    What I am saying is, as much as we want these wonderful characters to return, they were given some amount of closure. All of them can only appear in a brief amount of episodes like Dawn did, but nothing more. It would be an obvious move if the writers bring them back.

    I am not sure about Dawn, but Ash's path clearly diverged with Misty's and especially May's. They moved in different directions and can't walk the same road anymore.

    I think this is an unbiased opinion because I liked each of the girls equally.

    Inb4 some random person comes and asks why the hell are we talking about old characters when they obviously won't come back. Well, we are obviously talking about hypothetical cases. So don't give stupid replies :P

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    It would be fun if Ash's rival was one of his travelling buddies. This could be done if the rival travelling with Ash already had all the badges/most of the badges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gurk View Post
    It would be fun if Ash's rival was one of his travelling buddies. This could be done if the rival travelling with Ash already had all the badges/most of the badges.
    No. If that happened his rival would always be ahead of him due to having more badges right from the start and he would always witness Ash's battle style it wouldn't be fair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JD View Post
    No. If that happened his rival would always be ahead of him due to having more badges right from the start and he would always witness Ash's battle style it wouldn't be fair.
    And Ash would witness his or hers battling style. What's the difference? Plus, Ash could get some tips on the gym leaders from him or her.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JD View Post
    No. If that happened his rival would always be ahead of him due to having more badges right from the start and he would always witness Ash's battle style it wouldn't be fair.
    Yeah because the rival that is travelling with Ash wouldn't use his/her pokemon or battle/train AT ALL during the episodes before the regional league. Being that much ahead, it would be interesting to see how Ash would react to that (obviously you can't have two trainers doing the same gym battles in a row, so it's best that the rival already has most of the badges or all of them), and that also leaves room for another travelling companion to get the spotlight early on, clearing his/her side quest, leaving the later episodes for Ash and his rival, so everyone would have a significant role.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracoflare View Post
    Nice post.

    A four member group will be really interesting. With 3 member groups we only have 3 different types of chemistry to go on with. For now, Ash and Iris have the whole Kodomo ne stuff, Cilan and Iris have the "He's such a pain" stuff, and Ash, Cilan....not so sure, maybe the admiration stuff? Anyway we have a 3-way interaction here. With four people, it will double to six. The problem with the four man group however is their Pokemon. The writers can't seem to handle more than 2 characters Pokemon. In DP it was Ash, Dawn. In AG it was Ash, May(Brock was neglected in either case.) In BW....Well let's just say Iris and Ash. (Cilan didn't get anything since Zeustle.) So, the fourth character will most likely be stuck with one Pokemon or two at most. They won't be evolving either I guess.

    But if we ignore that, the four person chemistry is indeed very good.
    To be fair Brock pokemon still got more focus and development in Hoenn when we had four characters, than it was case with Kanto and Johto with writers improvement on way Ash and May team were handled reflecting on way his team got handled too. Even so we shouldn't lead ourselves through negative experiences, because with each passing region writers in general improve and learn on past mistakes(barring some exceptions) which can be evidenced in pokemon nowadays receiving overall better growth and have their personality more showcased compared to early days, so its certainly not out of question that we see them doing better job next time with quartet in future. That is if it happens.

    I will agree with you. Sequel stories of past characters will be fun. But the writers seem to have given them some amount of closure. As much I wouldn't mind Misty returning, we need to remember that she is in a completely different track now. (AKA being a Gym Leader.) Her travelling with Ash will only be a step back towards her goal. Because the learning experience as a water type Gym Leader is much more valuable than travelling around with Ash. As much I like the character dynamic she brings, she just can't fit into a journey anymore. A temporary appearance like Dawn in the Junior Cup is possible if Ash participates in some water contest. Otherwise, I don't want her coming back because her character will be destroyed if anything. It will be Charizard all over again. Charizard has come for the fans. But let's be honest, he's a full grown Pokemon. Fully evolved Pokemon can't have as many interactions as unevolved do. With Charizard in the Valley, we can at least assume he's training his *** off.

    The same goes for May. She was given a full closure. She has found better travelling partners. I mean let's face it, Drew Harley and Solidad are very excellent coordinators. The amount of experience she gets from a fellow coordinator as a travelling partner is much more than what Ash could provide her. Ash taught her the basics of training, and that's it. She's experienced now, and Ash wouldn't be able to provide her with anything. Dawn on the other hand was given somewhat of an open end. She didn't start travelling with Kenny or Zoey. So if there's any character who could fit in by returning will be Dawn. But even Dawn was given a bit of closure through her special. She would perhaps travel the Hoenn, Johto regions and make be on her own than reunite with Ash.

    What I am saying is, as much as we want these wonderful characters to return, they were given some amount of closure. All of them can only appear in a brief amount of episodes like Dawn did, but nothing more. It would be an obvious move if the writers bring them back.

    I am not sure about Dawn, but Ash's path clearly diverged with Misty's and especially May's. They moved in different directions and can't walk the same road anymore.
    Not necessarily. Each of this companions dreams is connected with traveling, exploring new pokemon, meeting new people and places along with partaking in tournaments through which they climb on ladder toward their ultimate aims. So its not out of question that at some point in future their life paths crossroad with Ash's again traveling through same region in order to advance their careers.

    Their stories could simply clash with Ash's in one of regions at some point traveling together for awhile if road which they take to advance goals is in same direction. Ash could travel through region which has contests again meeting May who travels there too, being brought back because of RS remakes for example.
    In that case we could see sequel to May story being made while promoting remakes as well. No one talks about long term journeys, but being in cast for one to two seasons would be more than enough to wrap things up and give characters more growth.

    Such as doing progress as coordinator showing development of her own contest style, learning how to overcome new obstacles and become top coordinator. And winning GF doesn't mean story ends there, because you can always take character story further than that. There even exist higher ranks someone can reach as coordinator with Soldedad for same reason continuing to do contests after winning Kanto GF. Wallace is proof how you can go forward.

    Or take Misty for example. Her goal as it was showed in original series is similar to Ash requiring traveling,meeting strong trainers,exploring new regions and learn about pokemon in wild along with advancing it through tournaments as Whirl Cup showed..
    Becoming water master requires to achieve E4 level of skill and while you could say how gym can help, its not enough because traveling is necessary to learn things you cant at gym, enter tasks like Whirl Cup showed and become true expert in that field.
    Similar how Wallace did by leaving gym to travel and improve becoming on of best existing water trainers out there. Because you can gain more and build up higher reputation by traveling and leaving your mark on different regions.

    Which opens ground to do logical step forward with purpose of advancing her career going on journey to advance further goal of water master for example ,partaking in competitions which would push her forward(like Whirl Cup was), create rivalry with some new characters, develop new battling style and dealing with obstacles which would be put in front of her. Catch new pokemon with XY region offering lot of new cool creatures and lift up group dynamic with her adventurous, spunky personality allowing to explore on dynamic with older ones like Ash knowing themselves for long time and have new character learn things from her being already more mature and experienced.

    If anything her dream is more intertwine with Ash's than its case with other companions. Considering how both dreams have links with E4(who are best one type trainers in world and one of steps Ash needs to overcome on his road)) , meaning how she could enter tasks she would need to pass to determine if she has potential to become E4 bring recognized by pokemon agents or she could try to train hard and be taken as some powerful water trainer(like Lorelei or Wallace)protege eventually taking over empty position once one of E4 retires.

    Even more so when way writers replaced her leaving story open allows to pick up from where they stopped doing follow up. Considering how unlike others who decided to part on their own following dreams and deciding what to do in life, with Misty things were left kinda undefined taking over gym out of necessity and obligation(sisters) not coming to fruition how to accomplish her dreams with many things about her past, fears and goals being left unexplored . Along with not being defined in what direction story will go and what are her future plans compared to others which precised what to do, leaving room for changes.

    Providing way to have her infiltrated within current story following path of many other gym leaders who left their positions to develop new battling style, learn new things and expand horizons , to pursue their own dreams or to advance as trainer . So its not like it would be strange in Misty following such footsteps too eventually always having high ambitions being adventurous type who likes to explore stepping up from her current position to advance her skills and goal of becoming water master. Being logical step forward bringing her only closer toward achievement of dreams, rather than putting her backwards.

    I would be definitely interested myself if for change in next generation they do mix of older and new.
    We would still have new character, but also have chance to see someone we like being took in new, exciting directions getting more development and establishing unexplored, completely new dynamic with new character. Imagine one being inexperienced and new while other older and more experienced would create unique and entirely fresh dynamic among characters in past setting up grounds for sister -sister relationship with each side learning something from themselves.

    Breaking up monotony and bringing something diverse and fresh for current show. Considering how with older companions you can have them go on bigger, better things, you can have friendship between protagonists grow stronger since they already share history together, introduce more complex obstacles to overcome and have better on going story which gradually grows over course of series.

    Plenty other anime do that having previous companions joining current cast for some time doing further progress while writers managing to find ways through which their return could help advance current story of established cast providing connection between story and them.

    Even though its doubtful as you said.
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    So where is all this speculation of Talonflame learning kick moves coming from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pokemonsquared View Post
    So where is all this speculation of Talonflame learning kick moves coming from?
    Talonflame's description states that it charges at fast speed and delivers powerful kicks at its foes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pokemon fan 132 View Post
    As far as idea of quartet group goes basing on what i read in last few pages ill readily agree with pro side being in favor of writers trying this set up once more. Most arguments which are against that don't sound very convincing to me because in Digimon its common practice to have 5+ companions, One Piece exceeds such number to 11+ and yet none of them feel left out getting development, chance to learn something and produce excellent multi layered interactions.

    So im sure 4 people cast wouldn't be especially hard feat to achieve if writers out a bit of thought and effort into it.
    You have to keep in mind that it's not just the people making up the main cast, it's also the Pokemon. Include them in the count, and you'll get a number that far exceeds 11 even just with 3 people in the group. That's probably why the only time they exceeded this number, the fourth member didn't have any Pokemon of his own (Max).


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    Quote Originally Posted by Honeyichigo View Post
    You have to keep in mind that it's not just the people making up the main cast, it's also the Pokemon. Include them in the count, and you'll get a number that far exceeds 11 even just with 3 people in the group. That's probably why the only time they exceeded this number, the fourth member didn't have any Pokemon of his own (Max).
    Or it could be that Max was provided to group as character without pokemon to try out something new and refreshing in main cast serving as break from usual set up of everyone being trainer showing how there is more to it than just having pokemon and utilizing them in battles. In reality Max served as additional provider of humor, clash and someone who would provide more substance to May story and characterization through family type of relationship.

    However that doesn't mean necessarily how four people group with each having pokemon wouldn't necessarily work today. With right repartition of screen time and depending on what kind of quest characters follow as long everyone doesn't require lot of battling and entering competitions im of belief how this could have worked out. After all not everyone in group has to be trainer and receive lot of development. In that vase i presume fourth companion would have at best 2 to 3 pokemon, Ash 6, girl 4 to 5 and male companion either 3 or 4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YourPermanentRecord631 View Post
    Talonflame's description states that it charges at fast speed and delivers powerful kicks at its foes.
    Emboar's description states that it punch heavy blows with its flaming arms, yet it can't learn fire punch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yuoke View Post
    Emboar's description states that it punch heavy blows with its flaming arms, yet it can't learn fire punch.
    yea it can

    http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-bw/500.shtml

    its via move tutor but it can still learn it

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    Quote Originally Posted by AceDetective View Post
    yea it can

    http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-bw/500.shtml

    its via move tutor but it can still learn it
    I'll give Yuoke some credit...it took till BW2 for that to happen
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    Quote Originally Posted by Honeyichigo View Post
    You have to keep in mind that it's not just the people making up the main cast, it's also the Pokemon. Include them in the count, and you'll get a number that far exceeds 11 even just with 3 people in the group. That's probably why the only time they exceeded this number, the fourth member didn't have any Pokemon of his own (Max).
    Yet even in the 11 group, some Pokemon gets neglected (Torkoal, Starapator, Unfezant, Boldore) while others get too much attention (Piplup, Pikachu, Oshawott) compared to the rest. So improvements indeeed.

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