Starter Speculation/Discussion Thread [Read First Post]

[Standard Luxury]

idk why gf didn't just create a tutorial info page about that stuff like in FRLG

[LadyLady]

I would really like the the starters to be pure types I loved that about the gen 2 starters

[x-sayrie-x]

I'm hoping that the final forms of the starters will have a Grass/Dark, Fire/Psychic, and Water/Fighting typing. Not only have we never had starters of those types, but that would create another type triangle within the usual Water > Fire > Grass. And Fennekin did use what looked like a psychic move in the trailer, so there's a chance...

Anyway, I've always gone for the fire-type starter, so Fennekin is definitely my choice, although I like all three of the starters this gen.

[GenosectArceus]

They probably won't do it again. In B/W and it's sequels, they made the gyms specifically to tailor to young players. The Cilan/Cress/Chili trio taught about type problems, but literally handed you a Pokemon that had a type advantage. While Cheren did normal, which is the most basic type.

The first gym will probably be similar to Cilan's gym in that it will serve the purpose of a tutorial.

Maybe the first gym would be made to show the Trainer different battle types, or possibly introduce a new battle type within the gym before moving on to the Gym Leader. Maybe the Gym Leader will also have the Starter you start out with in order to show that sometimes in the game you won't have type advantages nor disadvantages in some battles.

[Plus side down side]

Maybe the first gym would be made to show the Trainer different battle types, or possibly introduce a new battle type within the gym before moving on to the Gym Leader. Maybe the Gym Leader will also have the Starter you start out with in order to show that sometimes in the game you won't have type advantages nor disadvantages in some battles.

That would be pretty cool. I wouldn't mind fighting my own starter.

Maybe they could even do a weaker version of Norman's gym, where one Pokemon focuses on offense, one on defense, and one on speed.

[your boss]

Just hope Gamefreak doesn't pull another middle finger and have the first gym Water with Frillish as the main (that thing with Water Absorb would wall Water/Fighting frog to hell and back).

[Bluemiracle]

I would really like the the starters to be pure types I loved that about the gen 2 starters

They might be pure types right now but there's not garantee they'll continue to be in later stages

[GenosectArceus]

That would be pretty cool. I wouldn't mind fighting my own starter.

Maybe they could even do a weaker version of Norman's gym, where one Pokemon focuses on offense, one on defense, and one on speed.

It would be good for new players, but I don't think they'd really care much for stats. I had no idea my Charmander had stats when I played Blue version and I only focused on its moves and level. I didn't really care about my opponents Pokémon as to which stat they majored in either. Maybe for the fifth or fourth gym that would be okay, because that may give the player more time to think about stats and his or her Pokémons' strengths and weaknesses.

Just hope Gamefreak doesn't pull another middle finger and have the first gym Water with Frillish as the main (that thing with Water Absorb would wall Water/Fighting frog to hell and back).

Most people don't evolve their starters before taking on the first Gym. What would be interesting, though, would be if the first Gym resided within your starting town, and the Leader's son or daughter would pick the Starter that your Starter has an advantage over, and he/she gets to give you your first Gym challenge. It would be improbable, but interesting.

[gpt11]

Just hope Gamefreak doesn't pull another middle finger and have the first gym Water with Frillish as the main (that thing with Water Absorb would wall Water/Fighting frog to hell and back).

thats why you catch another pokemon lol

I miss the days when the starter you chose determined how hard the start of the game was it made you work harder

but then I have at least 3 Pokemon level 15+ before I challenge the 1st gym so they learn some better moves etc and I can make my way to the 2nd and 3rd quicker after those gyms the game really starts

[Ghosts of the Forums]

Chespin is my favorite i hope his last evolution is bad***

Me too. I agree with this.

[Afro Smash]

I'm hoping it's
Chespin: Grass/Fighting (maybe a knight)
Fennekin: Fire/Psychic
Froakie: Water/Dark (maybe a theif)

Altho tbh i dont see how froakie could turn out to be a dark type.

[Plus side down side]

I'm hoping it's
Chespin: Grass/Fighting (maybe a knight)
Fennekin: Fire/Psychic
Froakie: Water/Dark (maybe a theif)

Altho tbh i dont see how froakie could turn out to be a dark type.

Huh. Haven't thought of a knight. I would love it if he evolved into a knight!

[EliJolesy]

I barely see the resemblance between Oshawott and Chespin other than the similar faces. We haven't even seen it's evolutions, so we don't even know what it may or may not end up looking like. I'm assuming it will be nothing like Samurottt though.

To me he looks like a squirrel version with a weird green hairdo... Like N was his role model. That's the best I can think of lol.

[GenosectArceus]

That would be pretty cool. I wouldn't mind fighting my own starter.

Maybe they could even do a weaker version of Norman's gym, where one Pokemon focuses on offense, one on defense, and one on speed.

To me he looks like a squirrel version with a weird green hairdo... Like N was his role model. That's the best I can think of lol.

Would that mean he evolves into a copycat Ghetsis? 0_o
Chespin looks like he has a lot of potential as well as Froakie. I feel Fenne's gonna let us down.
It would be cool to see Chespin become a knightlike Grass type. Breloom is fighting, and Roserade was a ninja in the anime, but a grass knight would bring a new perspective on Grass types.

[EkwEE]

They probably won't do it again. In B/W and it's sequels, they made the gyms specifically to tailor to young players. The Cilan/Cress/Chili trio taught about type problems, but literally handed you a Pokemon that had a type advantage. While Cheren did normal, which is the most basic type.

The first gym will probably be similar to Cilan's gym in that it will serve the purpose of a tutorial.

I hope not. I want the games harder. Nintendo knows a lot of us play the game and were older. Gyms should be harder, the Towers at the end of BW2 were the best part of the games, hands down. I think challenge mode should be optional from the get-go.

And as far as Brock being the first leader in Yellow...I don't know what you're taking about. Once pikachu learned quick attack you could rip through his Geodude and thunder shock ripped through Onix...SOOO I dont know what you guys are smoking.

[EkwEE]

I'm hoping it's
Chespin: Grass/Fighting (maybe a knight)
Fennekin: Fire/Psychic
Froakie: Water/Dark (maybe a theif)

Altho tbh i dont see how froakie could turn out to be a dark type.

And no. I want grass/dark.

I hope the 2Ch leak was legit. And Chespear is Grass/Dark.

[Plus side down side]

I hope not. I want the games harder. Nintendo knows a lot of us play the game and were older. Gyms should be harder, the Towers at the end of BW2 were the best part of the games, hands down. I think challenge mode should be optional from the get-go.

And as far as Brock being the first leader in Yellow...I don't know what you're taking about. Once pikachu learned quick attack you could rip through his Geodude and thunder shock ripped through Onix...SOOO I dont know what you guys are smoking.

Onix is a ground type... so it probably didn't.

But I wouldn't mind challenge to be easy from the beginning. In fact, it would be awesome if I didn't have to beat the game in order to make it challenging.

[Shraeder]

And no. I want grass/dark.

I hope the 2Ch leak was legit. And Chespear is Grass/Dark.

What 2ch leak? I haven't been on for a bit.

[Ungoliath]

And a little review about weakness and advantages on Water combinations.

Water/Fighting
Weakness: Electric, Grass, Flying, Psychic
Resistances: Fire, Water, Ice, Bug, Rock, Dark, Steel (7)
Advantages: None.
Precedents: Poliwrath, Keldeo
Where it fails: Low stats / In case of Keldeo, bad movepool.
Tier: RU / OU

Water/Dark
Weakness: Electric, Grass, Fight, Bug
Resistances: Water, Fire, Ice, Ghost, Dark, Steel. (6)
Advantages: Immunity to Psychic.
Precedents: Sharpedo.
Where it fails: Defenses. It makes it too frail.
Tier: UU.

Water/Ice
Weakness: Electric, Grass, Fight, Rock.
Resistances: Water, Ice (0,25)
Advantages: None
Precedents: Dewgong, Cloyster, Lapras, Walrein
Where it fails: Not too many resistances, defensive-playing and weakness to 2 of the most used types for attacking.
Tier: NU / OU / NU / NU.
Note: Cloyster is OU due his high defense stat.

I was talking about Butterfree.

LOL, too much pressure for our Butterfree friend :3
Anyway, you shouldn't think that the gyms will determine the types of the starters rather than the types will determine the gyms.

[Nyarlathotep]

And no. I want grass/dark.

I hope the 2Ch leak was legit. And Chespear is Grass/Dark.

There is nothing in Chespin's design that makes me think it will evolve into a Grass/Dark. Also, this type combination is terrible (Mind you, Dark is my favorite type, but I can't deny the facts). If anything, I think Chespin's evo will be Grass/Ground, Grass/Flying or Grass/Ghost. Fennekin, Fire/Psychic and Froakie, Water/Fighting (A boxer? a Jiraiya-like ninja?), Water/Flying (A frog riding on a cloud?) or Water/Dark (Yes, maybe a thief). And to hell everyone who wants they to evolve into pure types. Seriously, pure-typed Pokémon suck and their movepools are lame. :P