Starter Speculation/Discussion Thread [Read First Post]

[Ciccone]

I never choose my Starters based on what type(s) they're going to have, so I'm not worried about the Starters being pure Grass, Fire and Water types. I'm more concerned with how their evolved forms will look like; right now I have almost no hope for Chespin, but Froakie and Fennekin's evolved forms could potentially slay.

[Autis-misc]

Fire/ psychic has 5 weaknesses, 4 of which are extremely common in movepools. Making them pure wouldn't change anything, blaziken swept through everything in gen 3's line up because almost every single gym and E4 member had something that took atleast neutral fire or fighting damage. That wasn't the starters fault that was the opponent's.

Even in Johto I could run through everything with either Typhlosion or Feraligatr.

But, when you add up the Psychic stats, it can almost withstand most of the 4 weaknesses (maybe 3 at the most, if the opponent is a part Dark type). If Fennekin is porven to be a Sp Att./Sp Def pokemon, it could still wipe out most of the game, depending on the gyms, which still wouldn't be fun.

This could also be dealt the same with froakie and chespin. The commonly speculated Water/Fighting and Grass/Dark or even Grass/Steel would still wipe through the entire game in their final states given either typing. In any pokemon game, Most final forms are able to run through the entirety of the version without ever having to be swapped, I'm just taking note that if the starters were all pure like in Gold/Silver, it would make the game a little bit more challenging. if not, a lot more challenging. If you take away the Psychic secondary typing, there would also be 4 fairly common weaknesses to deal with.

[Zorgaz]

If they give us pure types I'd be fine with it. Would be cooler to see some dual-typing though.

Just no Fire/Fighting and we're good!

[Papousse]

This is basically how I feel. I loved my Meganium as well, but dual types would be really good.

Even if a starter is a one-type Pokémon, you still can put other types attack, no matter what. My Meganium has Outrage and Ancient Power, wich are two non Grass Type moves.

[willda]

As far as I'm aware STAB is, and always has been, 1.5x regardless of if the pokemon is single or dual typed.

I'm hoping that Fennekin stays pure, but I feel that Froakie and Chespin both need to get a second type as they level. The reason I feel this way is because Grass and Water starters have been monotyped as many times as Fire has gotten Fighting. My best guess as to why people aren't as upset about this is that they weren't three in a row.

I agree monotyped water and grass is just as tired and boring as fire/fighting.

[Mystic Flygon]

Even if a starter is a one-type Pokémon, you still can put other types attack, no matter what. My Meganium has Outrage and Ancient Power, wich are two non Grass Type moves.

It doesn't get STAB from those and Meganium's offensive stats are pretty bad. I actually liked the Johto starters being pure type because it was just the 2nd region, this is the 6th, last gen had no new type combinations starter wise, I'd like something new and unique. If I'm going to be using a starter I want to make sure it has value post and pre-game. Why should I use Meganium when Serperior outclasses it in almost if not all terrain? See what I mean?

[Demon Kitsune Yoko Kurama]

It doesn't get STAB from those and Meganium's offensive stats are pretty bad. I actually liked the Johto starters being pure type because it was just the 2nd region, this is the 6th, last gen had no new type combinations starter wise, I'd like something new and unique. If I'm going to be using a starter I want to make sure it has value post and pre-game. Why should I use Meganium when Serperior outclasses it in almost if not all terrain? See what I mean?

Yea, but not everybody uses a Pokemon because of their stats. :/

[Autis-misc]

Yea, but not everybody uses a Pokemon because of their stats. :/

I agree with this statement. Pokemon does not revolve around Stats. if Fennekin was given super high Att/Sp Att but had a hidden ability such as defeatist, it would be worth nothing without Skill Swap. Take Serperior, it had an Amazing Hidden Ability (Contrary) to take advantage of it's low stats & bad movepool.

[iiazurenovaii]

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[Mystic Flygon]

Yea, but not everybody uses a Pokemon because of their stats. :/

Then what's the point of even discussing why a pokemon should/ shouldn't be this type?

[Autis-misc]

63772_494770900573188_1141715381_n.jpgI found this today not sure if its real or not...

It's not real, otherwise it would be on the main site.

Then what's the point of even discussing why a pokemon should/ shouldn't be this type?

Hidden Ability, Nature, Movepool? Were going off what we know from the trailer, we don't know their stats. If we did, would that make it at all easier?

[Demon Kitsune Yoko Kurama]

63772_494770900573188_1141715381_n.jpgI found this today not sure if its real or not...

Sadly, it's not.

I agree with this statement. Pokemon does not revolve around Stats. if Fennekin was given super high Att/Sp Att but had a hidden ability such as defeatist, it would be worth nothing without Skill Swap. Take Serperior, it had an Amazing Hidden Ability (Contrary) to take advantage of it's low stats & bad movepool.

That's one of the reasons why I use certain Pokemon, but yea, that's pretty much what I think as well.

[LeoP2008]

So, generally what's the BEST case scenario for the Starter types??

It seems alot of people would LIKE Fennekin to be Fire/Psychic but would anything else be better but believable?? Like Fire/Ghost??

And is Grass/Dark, Grass/Dark, or Grass/Steel the better type combo the best for Chespin??

What about Froakie?? Fighting, Psychic, Ice, or something else all together??

[Tickle Me Cooper]

Then what's the point of even discussing why a pokemon should/ shouldn't be this type?

...Maybe because you have a type preference, but don't care so much about if its strong this way or that way? I personally don't care as long as it's usable.

So, generally what's the BEST case scenario for the Starter types??

It seems alot of people would LIKE Fennekin to be Fire/Psychic but would anything else be better but believable?? Like Fire/Ghost??

And is Grass/Dark, Grass/Dark, or Grass/Steel the better type combo the best for Chespin??

What about Froakie?? Fighting, Psychic, Ice, or something else all together??

I still think Chespin will be Grass/Ground and Froakie will be Water/Electric.

[Demon Kitsune Yoko Kurama]

Then what's the point of even discussing why a pokemon should/ shouldn't be this type?

I said I still enjoyed my Meganium. I'm not going to be mad if all the Starters are pure.

[Moonrox]

But, when you add up the Psychic stats, it can almost withstand most of the 4 weaknesses (maybe 3 at the most, if the opponent is a part Dark type). If Fennekin is porven to be a Sp Att./Sp Def pokemon, it could still wipe out most of the game, depending on the gyms, which still wouldn't be fun.

This could also be dealt the same with froakie and chespin. The commonly speculated Water/Fighting and Grass/Dark or even Grass/Steel would still wipe through the entire game in their final states given either typing. In any pokemon game, Most final forms are able to run through the entirety of the version without ever having to be swapped, I'm just taking note that if the starters were all pure like in Gold/Silver, it would make the game a little bit more challenging. if not, a lot more challenging. If you take away the Psychic secondary typing, there would also be 4 fairly common weaknesses to deal with.

Yeah, the problem with that... Using your logic, every defensive Pokemon with a decent attacking stat is too OP for a starter.

[Mystic Flygon]

...Maybe because you have a type preference, but don't care so much about if its strong this way or that way? I personally don't care as long as it's usable.



I still think Chespin will be Grass/Ground and Froakie will be Water/Electric.

Most starters are useable, but they're outclassed by other pokemon or other starters; Which is the point I'm making.

I can understand if you like a pokemon's design and that's why you chose it, that's actually how I form my teams, I pick out the ones whose design I like then I consider it's typing and stats.

[Autis-misc]

Yeah, the problem with that... Using your logic, every defensive Pokemon with a decent attacking stat is too OP for a starter.

I have absolutely no idea where you came to that using my logic.

Where exactly did I that out? On another note, Every pokemon cannot be a starter..

[Shiro to Kuro]

...Why does no one like Froakie? ;-;

Totally almost always choose water starter... Aren't I creative?

Froakie is the cutest.

[willda]

So, generally what's the BEST case scenario for the Starter types??

It seems alot of people would LIKE Fennekin to be Fire/Psychic but would anything else be better but believable?? Like Fire/Ghost??

And is Grass/Dark, Grass/Dark, or Grass/Steel the better type combo the best for Chespin??

What about Froakie?? Fighting, Psychic, Ice, or something else all together??

well I personally like this spread:
Grass/steel green armour quills and some red flower on the tail (red tip on tail and its based off of a hedgehog)

Fire/electric or fire/psychic (has a speedy appearance like alot of electric types and would overall just be original) quadruped whose hair and ears are like a stylized powdered wig

water/poison or water/dark (frog ninja/thief alot of speculations have been that froakie is based on a Japanese thief (the bubble cloud sac on its back as proof) and others speculate that he's based off of the Japanese myth of Jiriya (not the naruto character, the folklore hero) who was associated with frogs/toads)