Starter Speculation/Discussion Thread [Read First Post]

[Ninfia-Fan]

Fennekin is definitely going to be a Fire/Fighting. Gamefreak just wants to see how many years in a row they can do this before everybody stops buying the games. Only reason Tepig became something like Emboar. Do I really think that? Nah. But I also do not think Fennekin is going to be Psychic type. That would be kind of difficult for the anime to pull off too. Psychic was OP in GenI and the anime followed that trend and they kept Psychic types OP even now in the anime. I feel a Psychic starter would need a major downside to balance itself. It would be very balanced in-game, but they can't make it a psychic type in the game and change it in the anime.

How can you say that Fennekin ill be a Fire/fighting? We've had too much spamming of that type. Example:

Gen 1: Charmander/Charmeleon/Charizard=Fire/fire/Fire&Flying (Cool)
Gen 2: Cyndaquil/Quilava/Typhlosion=All Fire. (Good)
Gen 3: Torchic/Combusken/Blaziken=fire/fire&Fighting/Fire&Fighting (something new)
Gen 4: Chimchar/Monferno/Infernape=Fire/Fire&Fighting/Fire&Fighting (we had this last Gen.)
Gen 5: Tepig/Pignite/Emboar=Fire/Fire&fighting/fire&Fighting. (aren't we getting a bit too repetitive?)

Look at the above: We've had fire&Fighting combos for the past three generations! Can you really see Fennekin becoming a Fire/Fighting fox? I, for one, cannot. I believe that Pokemon will make it something we haven't seen before in a starter Pokemon. Also was that a fighting type move Fennekin used in the trailer? No, it looked like a Psychic move.

[Nacreous]

How can you say that Fennekin ill be a Fire/fighting? We've had too much spamming of that type. Example:

Gen 1: Charmander/Charmeleon/Charizard=Fire/fire/Fire&Flying (Cool)
Gen 2: Cyndaquil/Quilava/Typhlosion=All Fire. (Good)
Gen 3: Torchic/Combusken/Blaziken=fire/fire&Fighting/Fire&Fighting (something new)
Gen 4: Chimchar/Monferno/Infernape=Fire/Fire&Fighting/Fire&Fighting (we had this last Gen.)
Gen 5: Tepig/Pignite/Emboar=Fire/Fire&fighting/fire&Fighting. (aren't we getting a bit too repetitive?)

Look at the above: We've had fire&Fighting combos for the past three generations! Can you really see Fennekin becoming a Fire/Fighting fox? I, for one, cannot. I believe that Pokemon will make it something we haven't seen before in a starter Pokemon. Also was that a fighting type move Fennekin used in the trailer? No, it looked like a Psychic move.

Well,none of the previous Fire type base stages looked like they'd evolve into Fighting types.But,I agree...there's too many Fire/Fighting types.We need something different to make it more exciting.I also believe that the 5th gen games and pokemon were sort of rushed...they served as filler in preparation for the 6th gen.And maybe,the developers thought that,if they changed the Fire/Fighting thing,it would've stole 6th gen's thunder,if you know what I mean.

[JBreese]

Well,none of the previous Fire type base stages looked like they'd evolve into Fighting types.But,I agree...there's too many Fire/Fighting types.We need something different to make it more exciting.I also believe that the 5th gen games and pokemon were sort of rushed...they served as filler in preparation for the 6th gen.And maybe,the developers thought that,if they changed the Fire/Fighting thing,it would've stole 6th gen's thunder,if you know what I mean.

Embour was based on a character from the story journey to the west, the same story as infernape's inspiration. Just because you didn't like its typing doesn't mean game freak rushed the development, it had a detailed back story stretching back a generation which other starter, ever, has that? the game was in development for 4 years as well hardly rushed.

[Nacreous]

Embour was based on a character from the story journey to the west, the same story as infernape's inspiration. Just because you didn't like its typing doesn't mean game freak rushed the development, it had a detailed back story stretching back a generation which other starter, ever, has that? the game was in development for 4 years as well hardly rushed.

Really?They kinda did a crappy job on some pokemon,including Emboar.

[SAOSINN]

Really?They kinda did a crappy job on some pokemon,including Emboar.

Lmao, 4 years in the making & they did a 'crappy' job haha.
Well i for one would gladly keep paying into these crappy jobs GF are doing cause these jobs, to me, are well informed & are created from myths, stories & legends from all over the crappy world.
Surely the issues derive from what the stories are implying then, i havn't read journey to the west, but the fact that starters are derived from stories is in itself just great, id much rather have 'crappy' real world story inspired designs from them, than things made on a whim.

[JBreese]

I don't get what you mean by crappy? To me it always seems as if game freak put a lot of effort into the starters, I personally wouldn't mind something aside from fire/fighting just for a change, so I'm not agaisnt your main point. I just think its a bit overly critical to bash Game Freak, because you don't like their idea.

[SAOSINN]

I agree while in too am bored of the Fire Fighters, i wouldn't have a problem with any design that is justified & informed by folklore or legend.
Never really considered pokemon outside of the legendary catagory to hold much of a real world legend or story that becomes a theme throughout gens but now that i think about it doesn't journey to the west consist of a rooster(maybeBlaziken) a monkey(Infernape) & a pig(Emboar)? Might be off, cant help but think theres a dog :S

[Bearcubxox]

I'm getting real sick and tired of people calling the 5th gen crap or crappy or bad or sh**...

I love the 5th gen, and I've been a fan of pokemon since before red and blue were even released in America! 5th gen for me has so many pokemon I like! No! Love! There is no pokemon I hate, there are ones I like less personally, like vaniluxe... But I quite like klink and garbador, they are just as original and believable as magnemite and muk lol

Nostalgia sometimes blinds some people to the facts!

But in all honesty, it's personal taste, I know someone whose favourite pokemon is vinillish.. Fair enough they think it's interesting and cute and cool. I love Chandelure, think its a genius design and a really clever name too! But my favourite pokemon will always be Bulbasaur, and sure some of my other favourites being like Turtwig, Pachirisu, Snivy, Dwebble, Aipom and even Cubchoo.

It's all down to personal taste guys, just cos YOU don't like something doesn't make it rubbish or crappy or rushed or a lazy effort, it's personal taste! Or have you guys never heard of a thing called "opinions"

[Yveltal96]

I'm getting real sick and tired of people calling the 5th gen crap or crappy or bad or sh**...

I love the 5th gen, and I've been a fan of pokemon since before red and blue were even released in America! 5th gen for me has so many pokemon I like! No! Love! There is no pokemon I hate, there are ones I like less personally, like vaniluxe... But I quite like klink and garbador, they are just as original and believable as magnemite and muk lol

Nostalgia sometimes blinds some people to the facts!

But in all honesty, it's personal taste, I know someone whose favourite pokemon is vinillish.. Fair enough they think it's interesting and cute and cool. I love Chandelure, think its a genius design and a really clever name too! But my favourite pokemon will always be Bulbasaur, and sure some of my other favourites being like Turtwig, Pachirisu, Snivy, Dwebble, Aipom and even Cubchoo.

It's all down to personal taste guys, just cos YOU don't like something doesn't make it rubbish or crappy or rushed or a lazy effort, it's personal taste! Or have you guys never heard of a thing called "opinions"

Yeah amen
I am getting tired of people calling it a filler gen

[Papousse]

I'm getting real sick and tired of people calling the 5th gen crap or crappy or bad or sh**...

I love the 5th gen, and I've been a fan of pokemon since before red and blue were even released in America! 5th gen for me has so many pokemon I like! No! Love! There is no pokemon I hate, there are ones I like less personally, like vaniluxe... But I quite like klink and garbador, they are just as original and believable as magnemite and muk lol

Nostalgia sometimes blinds some people to the facts!

But in all honesty, it's personal taste, I know someone whose favourite pokemon is vinillish.. Fair enough they think it's interesting and cute and cool. I love Chandelure, think its a genius design and a really clever name too! But my favourite pokemon will always be Bulbasaur, and sure some of my other favourites being like Turtwig, Pachirisu, Snivy, Dwebble, Aipom and even Cubchoo.

It's all down to personal taste guys, just cos YOU don't like something doesn't make it rubbish or crappy or rushed or a lazy effort, it's personal taste! Or have you guys never heard of a thing called "opinions"

Thanks god to save us !
I'm really happy that someone has posted this. It shows my opinion too. It's proper to everyone. I personnally love a lot of the Pokémon that are existing actually (I have some less, like Gallade and Mawile, but still!). I'm expecting something great on this 6th generation and I hope I'm not alone.

[Bus]

There are people who hated 5th gen that much? I've been playing since Red and Blue when i was little, so while I do have some Nostalgia for the 1st and 2nd Gens, I loved gen 5! The only gen I really 'hated' in a sense was Gen 3. I really was not fond of too many pokemon from that gen. I mean, I liked Absol and Tropius' designs, that was it. I hated all 3 starters from that gen, but even then I never questioned their creativity. I just thought that maybe I was growing out of it or something. Then Gen 4 came along and I loved the, so I knew it was just a fluke lol.

Apparently Im also in the minority for Gen 3; it seems most people love that gen. I hated all 3 starters and most pokemon from there, but to each their own lol.

[golduck#1]

I hated the original black and white but loving white 2 at the moment. Only because the variety of pokemon is bigger. To be honest though it is probably me liking older gens more, but thats weird because I am already loving gen 6 and all 3 starters. I am getting both games to make sure I can use atleast two starters, I really want to use Chespin but don't really want to lock him in if there is another cool grass out there. I love Fennekin but what if there is a wicked fire type? Water type is my favourite and there is always ateast 3 or 4 good water pokemon in each game, so should I not go Froakie? So hard.

[AzureNova]

I would much rather it be like this:

Chespin - Grass/Fighting 5 weaknesses
Fennekin - Fire/Psychic 5 weaknesses
Froakie - Water/Dark 4 weaknesses

Why would you guys want Chespin to end up as a Grass/Dark? it would have 6 weaknesses there is a reason why we haven't had a Grass/Dark pokemon since 3rd Gen for a reason. The reason many people don't even choose the grass starter or rather just a grass type pokemon is because they get screwed over and they don't have any good moves aside from a couple of moves like Energy Ball, Leaf Blade and Leaf Storm. A Grass/Fighting pokemon would be able to take out more pokemon thanks to the fighting moves against Dark, Ice, Normal and Steel types. In addition to Grass moves against Water, Ground and Rock. This would give Chespin in total 7 advantages. If Chespin ends up as a Grass/Dark it would only have 5 measly advantages while it has 6 weaknesses does that seem like a pokemon you would want in comparison?

Fennekin would also have 7 advantages while having 5 weaknesses. Fire against Grass, Bug, Ice and Steel. While Psychic against Poison, Fighting and Ghost.

Froakie would have 5 advantages and 4 weaknesses. Water against Fire, Ground and Rock. While Dark against Psychic and Ghost.

[Yveltal96]

I would much rather it be like this:

Chespin - Grass/Fighting 5 weaknesses
Fennekin - Fire/Psychic 5 weaknesses
Froakie - Water/Dark 4 weaknesses

Why would you guys want Chespin to end up as a Grass/Dark? it would have 6 weaknesses there is a reason why we haven't had a Grass/Dark pokemon since 3rd Gen for a reason. The reason many people don't even choose the grass starter or rather just a grass type pokemon is because they get screwed over and they don't have any good moves aside from a couple of moves like Energy Ball, Leaf Blade and Leaf Storm. A Grass/Fighting pokemon would be able to take out more pokemon thanks to the fighting moves against Dark, Ice, Normal and Steel types. In addition to Grass moves against Water, Ground and Rock. This would give Chespin in total 7 advantages. If Chespin ends up as a Grass/Dark it would only have 5 measly advantages while it has 6 weaknesses does that seem like a pokemon you would want in comparison?

Why do you see him as fighting?
Makes no sense to me dark makes much more sense and who cares?
And why is froakie dark?
He seems more like a fighting type

[golduck#1]

I would much rather it be like this:

Chespin - Grass/Fighting 5 weaknesses
Fennekin - Fire/Psychic 5 weaknesses
Froakie - Water/Dark 4 weaknesses

Why would you guys want Chespin to end up as a Grass/Dark? it would have 6 weaknesses there is a reason why we haven't had a Grass/Dark pokemon since 3rd Gen for a reason. The reason many people don't even choose the grass starter or rather just a grass type pokemon is because they get screwed over and they don't have any good moves aside from a couple of moves like Energy Ball, Leaf Blade and Leaf Storm. A Grass/Fighting pokemon would be able to take out more pokemon thanks to the fighting moves against Dark, Ice, Normal and Steel types. In addition to Grass moves against Water, Ground and Rock. This would give Chespin in total 7 advantages. If Chespin ends up as a Grass/Dark it would only have 5 measly advantages while it has 6 weaknesses does that seem like a pokemon you would want in comparison?

CPuld you just think of the move set. Swords dance, Leaf blade, close combat, sub/leech seed /nightslah/ aerial ace! I reckon Chespin is kind of a warrior looking pokemon anyways. I can imagine it jplding a sword the way it's holding it's arm out.

[ReshiZekyurem]

I love all Generations and their starters. I don't see why there is hate for gen 3 and 5...
On topic i would like to say chespin should be a grass/fighting ninja...

[your boss]

I absolutely loved the 5th gen starters, especially Serperior's utility, Samurott's mixed capabilities and Emboar's hard hitting attack. I disliked Gen 2 starters because of Cyndaquil being a statistacal ripoff of Charmander and the arguably unusability of Chikorita. I liked Todadile however because of his design, then again I like all Pokemon's designs.

On topic, I would like to see more Water/Dark Pokemon but personally I can't see Froakie fitting in that criteria.

[AzureNova]

Indeed golduck#1

Yveltal96 Froakie looks more like a scholar those things where its nose would be look like glasses. It gives off to me a frog/toad sage vibe so it would take either the Dark/Psychic route but Dark for the sake of Fennekin having Psychic. Also we already have 3 frogs/toads with fighting such as Poliwrath and Croagunk his evolved form Toxicroak.

[adl222]

I would much rather it be like this:

Chespin - Grass/Fighting 5 weaknesses
Fennekin - Fire/Psychic 5 weaknesses
Froakie - Water/Dark 4 weaknesses

Why would you guys want Chespin to end up as a Grass/Dark? it would have 6 weaknesses there is a reason why we haven't had a Grass/Dark pokemon since 3rd Gen for a reason. The reason many people don't even choose the grass starter or rather just a grass type pokemon is because they get screwed over and they don't have any good moves aside from a couple of moves like Energy Ball, Leaf Blade and Leaf Storm. A Grass/Fighting pokemon would be able to take out more pokemon thanks to the fighting moves against Dark, Ice, Normal and Steel types. In addition to Grass moves against Water, Ground and Rock. This would give Chespin in total 7 advantages. If Chespin ends up as a Grass/Dark it would only have 5 measly advantages while it has 6 weaknesses does that seem like a pokemon you would want in comparison?

Fennekin would also have 7 advantages while having 5 weaknesses. Fire against Grass, Bug, Ice and Steel. While Psychic against Poison, Fighting and Ghost.

Froakie would have 5 advantages and 4 weaknesses. Water against Fire, Ground and Rock. While Dark against Psychic and Ghost.

you do realize that if its dark/grass it would gain 6 resistances and 1 immunity,and grass/fighting would also gain 6 resistances. I hate people that complain about the typing (which are just speculation at this point) if you cant use a pokemon because of its typing then you are a bad pokemon trainer, i said it. boom. Stats and movepool also have alot to do with how good a pokemon is not just typing.

[AzureNova]

you do realize that if its dark/grass it would gain 6 resistances and 1 immunity,and grass/fighting would also gain 6 resistances. I hate people that complain about the typing (which are just speculation at this point) if you cant use a pokemon because of its typing then you are a bad pokemon trainer, i said it. boom.

Well sorry for trying to help out the Grass pokemon considering they are always overshadowed by Fire and Water types. I am well aware of stats and movepools considering pokemon like Meganium having great defenses while having moves like Leech Seed, Toxic, Protect and Energy Ball to help it out. Chespin looks more like a warrior as golduck#1 said.