Starter Speculation/Discussion Thread [Read First Post]

[EkwEE]

It appears you are correct. I could've swore he was only a rock type. I am high on pain pills though. Haha. And yeah, that's all I really want. They nailed the game layout I'd like with BW2. Judy give us the option to name it much harder. I'd like to see most of the moms have stats that qualify for UU tier. And all the starters should have great movepools. Serperior got screwed. And none of grass starters really make out well in that department. Torterra was decent I'm that department. I would just like the starters to be viable competitively.

[Shraeder]

If Chespin is Grass/Dark: 6 Weaknesses
If Fennekin is Fire/Psychic: 5 Weaknesses
If Froakkie is Water/Fighting: 4 Weaknesses

So it isn't really that big of a deal. To match those 6 weaknesses Chespin would have 7 resistances, so it balances out.

[Plus side down side]

It appears you are correct. I could've swore he was only a rock type. I am high on pain pills though. Haha. And yeah, that's all I really want. They nailed the game layout I'd like with BW2. Judy give us the option to name it much harder. I'd like to see most of the moms have stats that qualify for UU tier. And all the starters should have great movepools. Serperior got screwed. And none of grass starters really make out well in that department. Torterra was decent I'm that department. I would just like the starters to be viable competitively.

Agreed. I love my grass starters dearly, but they need to help them out a bit. I could see Chespin turning into something pretty great though.

And for some reason, I can't get rid of this nagging feeling that Fennekin is going to end up being somewhat disappointing competitively. Just because so many people are putting their chips on it. It will end up being like how Snivy was the most popular starter during the revelation period, but ends up becoming hardly used.

[EkwEE]

What 2ch leak? I haven't been on for a bit.

It was on reddit. Some guy posted a supposed leak of the starters names and final evolutions and a guy on reddit translated.

Fennekins final is called Fernox (romanized) and is fire/psychic
Froakie is Frobanet and is water fighting
Chespin is Chespear and Grass/dark

There' also a rock/steel/fire legendary trio and I think a psychic too. The region's bird is based off a finch. Ect.

[Nyarlathotep]

If Chespin is Grass/Dark: 6 Weaknesses
If Fennekin is Fire/Psychic: 5 Weaknesses
If Froakkie is Water/Fighting: 4 Weaknesses

So it isn't really that big of a deal. To match those 6 weaknesses Chespin would have 7 resistances, so it balances out.

Yes, it is, because the weaknesses are to very common types (Fire, ICE, Bug 4x, Fighting). There are two Grass/Dark Pokémon that suffer because of their type combination. Froakie would be better with the Dark secondary type, 4 weaknesses, none of them would be 4x, 6 resistances and one immunity. So unless you guys want a lame Grass starter, you should hope for it not become a Grass/Dark Pokémon.

[Ungoliath]

Both trios works well IMHO. I prefer Water/Fighting but then again I don't mind if it's Water/Dark just for the sake of having a Grass/Fighting.
Still I believe that Fighting suits more Froakie. Why you ask? Pure forum hype.

[Nyarlathotep]

Still I believe that Fighting suits more Froakie. Why you ask? Pure forum hype.

It does suit, regardless of forum hype. And the Water/Fighting combination is good, almost anything with Fighting end up being awesome anyway.
But Chespin... It deserves a secondary type that doesn't totally screw its life.

[EkwEE]

It does suit, regardless of forum hype. And the Water/Fighting combination is good, almost anything with Fighting end up being awesome anyway.
But Chespin... It deserves a secondary type that doesn't totally screw its life.

I wouldn't mind ground type either. As long as he could get sweepers stats. Or Even become a bulky offensive build with a lot of support moves. But ground has been done, and dark could open up a really interesting movepool.

[Autis-misc]

It was on reddit. Some guy posted a supposed leak of the starters names and final evolutions and a guy on reddit translated.

Fennekins final is called Fernox (romanized) and is fire/psychic
Froakie is Frobanet and is water fighting
Chespin is Chespear and Grass/dark

There' also a rock/steel/fire legendary trio and I think a psychic too. The region's bird is based off a finch. Ect.

The Bolded part is the part that makes me think this is 100% fake. the games get released Internationally, so Pokemon Company USA would already have names for the third stages.

[Ungoliath]

It does suit, regardless of forum hype. And the Water/Fighting combination is good, almost anything with Fighting end up being awesome anyway.
But Chespin... It deserves a secondary type that doesn't totally screw its life.

LOL
Grass/Dark is not bad...Is it? Let me make a quick review:

Weakness: Fire, Ice, Fight, Poison, Flying, Bug (x4).
Resistances: Water, Electric, Grass, Ground, Ghost, Dark, Psychic (0)
Precedents: Shiftry / Cacturne
Tier: NU / NU

Offensive playing has a lot of moves on Fire and Fight, it's luck that Bug is not that popular. Fear Volcarona and Genesect, though. If it has at least 530 it will be better than most bugs except the two I mention. It has nice resistances, since Electric, Dark and Psychic are common on offensive playing and Ground is a must in every team. It needs high defenses if it needs to be balanced, though. If it can reach an 80/80 on both defenses it will be good enough. HP needs to be high as well.
Considering that the hood could evolve into a shell of sorts, I say it will be defense oriented regardless the type it ends up being.

[Nyarlathotep]

I wouldn't mind ground type either. As long as he could get sweepers stats. Or Even become a bulky offensive build with a lot of support moves. But ground has been done, and dark could open up a really interesting movepool.

Yeah, Ground has been done, but it is a good type combo nonetheless. I have a feeling Chespin will have a bulky build, so I think a more defensive type combo would be better for it, like Grass/Steel. Grass/Dark definitely isn't a good choice here, although I'd probably love the design of Chespin's evo if it was Grass/Dark.

LOL
Grass/Dark is not bad...Is it? Let me make a quick review:

Weakness: Fire, Ice, Fight, Poison, Flying, Bug (x4).
Resistances: Water, Electric, Grass, Ground, Ghost, Dark, Psychic (0)
Precedents: Shiftry / Cacturne
Tier: NU / NU

Offensive playing has a lot of moves on Fire and Fight, it's luck that Bug is not that popular. It has nice resistances, since Electric, Dark and Psychic are common on offensive playing and Ground is a must in every team. It needs high defenses if it needs to be balanced, though. If it can reach an 80/80 on both defenses it will be good enough. HP needs to be high as well.
Considering that the hood could evolve into a shell of sorts, I say it will be defense oriented regardless the type it ends up being.

The resistances to Water and Electric are good, but they existe thanks to the Grass-type, not Dark. Dark gives a Psychic-type immunity, which is good, but no worth if you consider the weaknesses it brings together. Bug Pokémon aren't popular, but Bug-type moves like X-scissors and Megahorn are quite common actually. Even if its stats are oriented to a more defensive build, it wouldn't work if the type have terrible resistances. It is like giving defensive stats to an Ice-type Pokémon, it will still be terrible defensively because it has a lot of common weaknesses. Grass/Dark may sould cool (it does, everything with Dark sounds cool), but it isn't really a good combo. By the way, I am all for a Grass/Steel evo for Chespin. :P

[EkwEE]

And I am only assuming they're romanized. It didn't say that. They were posted next to their Japanese names. I have them on my phone. I don't know how to show you though. They sound translated already. And they were written as I spelled them next to their translated names:Yarimaron, Ferunoku, and Jyuumatsu. So I dunno.

[Ungoliath]

A handy thing to consider> Current OU Bug types: Scizor, Volcarona and Forretress.

[Nyarlathotep]

A handy thing to consider> Current OU Bug types: Scizor, Volcarona and Forretress.

Yeah, but a Grass/Dark Pokémon would never be in OU, so it would never face these three Pokémon. On other hand, it would face a lot of other Bug-type Pokémon on lower tiers...

[Ungoliath]

Yeah, but a Grass/Dark Pokémon would never be in OU, so it would never face these three Pokémon. On other hand, it would face a lot of other Bug-type Pokémon on lower tiers...

Depends on its stats and the hidden ability. Also, every starter is considered potential for OU until it gets screwed up for a better choice. Anyway, you're right. With 530 of total...Which Pokemon can become a threat for this Pokemon? Even with the bad typing.

[Shraeder]

Yes, it is, because the weaknesses are to very common types (Fire, ICE, Bug 4x, Fighting). There are two Grass/Dark Pokémon that suffer because of their type combination. Froakie would be better with the Dark secondary type, 4 weaknesses, none of them would be 4x, 6 resistances and one immunity. So unless you guys want a lame Grass starter, you should hope for it not become a Grass/Dark Pokémon.

Then don't use it against those types -_-

EDIT: Nevermind, I see your point. Though you have to admit 6 resistances and 1 immunity is pretty nice.

@EkwEE: Is there a link?

[EkwEE]

Yeah, but a Grass/Dark Pokémon would never be in OU, so it would never face these three Pokémon. On other hand, it would face a lot of other Bug-type Pokémon on lower tiers...

Yeah. And if it was Grass/Steel I wouldn't mind at all. I would love that. I was hoping Turtwig would end up that way. The only thing is, if Froakie ends up fighting he would tear Chespin apart. And Chespin would suffer 4X fire to Fennekin. Which means grass gets shifted again. Either way, if he gets ground/dark/fighting/steel ill be happy. Assuming he gets status moves in his pool. Getting a powerful STAB Seed Bomb or Leaf Blade and stun spore and leech seed ill be happy.

[Shraeder]

Yeah. And if it was Grass/Steel I wouldn't mind at all. I would love that. I was hoping Turtwig would end up that way. The only thing is, if Froakie ends up fighting he would tear Chespin apart. And Chespin would suffer 4X fire to Fennekin. Which means grass gets shifted again. Either way, if he gets ground/dark/fighting/steel ill be happy. Assuming he gets status moves in his pool. Getting a powerful STAB Seed Bomb or Leaf Blade and stun spore and leech seed ill be happy.

Am I the only one that can see Chespin getting Needle Arm/Wood Hammer?

[Nyarlathotep]

Depends on its stats and the hidden ability. Also, every starter is considered potential for OU until it gets screwed up for a better choice. Anyway, you're right. With 530 of total...Which Pokemon can become a threat for this Pokemon? Even with the bad typing.

Well, some starters don't end up being screwed up, like Infernape and Empoleon. And depending of a Hidden Ability to be useful is quite lame, since it takes a lot of time for DW Pokémon to be released, but yeah, better than nothing. Well, I honestly can't picture Chespin' evo being OU with a Grass/Dark typing, but who knows?

Just give me my fast sweeper Water/Fighting Froakie and I am fine with everything else they do to the other starters.

Then don't use it against those types -_-

EDIT: Nevermind, I see your point. Though you have to admit 6 resistances and 1 immunity is pretty nice.

Go the tell to the other Grass/Dark types in NU, maybe they will become useful Pokémon in OU with your awesome tip. LoL

But true, 6 resistances are good, but none of them are VERY relevant (Water and Electric are, but again, they exist thanks to the Grass-type).
If we really want resistances, they have to make Chespin's evo a Grass/Steel Pokémon.

[Demon Kitsune Yoko Kurama]

Am I the only one that can see Chespin getting Needle Arm/Wood Hammer?

It's possible if the 'needles' or 'spikes' on its 'hat' spread out on its body.