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    Quote Originally Posted by storm12 View Post
    s'part of what's wrong with it :L plus, it clearly isn't doing Chespin any favors- at all- plus, concept wise, it seems ludicrous- I wanna see how they pull Dark out of Quilladin's chunky ***** :L plus Water/Fighting Froakie is a total Poliwrath rehash: BORING :L
    Please, as all the Dragon/Flying, Normal/Flying, etc. prove, a certain animal sharing the same type doesn't mean that it's going to be a rehash. No one would say Salamence or Noivern is a complete ripoff of Dragonite for instance.

    Plus, Froakie and Frogadier look nothing like Poliwrath, they're obviously going in a different direction design and concept wise.


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    Quote Originally Posted by storm12 View Post
    Seismitoad is Water/Ground :L but Poliwrath is indeed Water/Fighting :L fighting frogs... it's so cliche...
    We have 3 Water/Dark Pokemon Carvanha, Sharpedo and Crawdaunt and only 2 Water/Fighting types Poliwrath and Keldeo I seriously don't see the problem


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    Quote Originally Posted by Odious View Post
    Personally I wanted him to be Grass/Steel (don't care about the fire weakness) but hey guess Gamefreak thought Grass/Dark was better I hope he has a kick *** final evolution
    Yeah I wanted Grass/Steel as well :/ He could've been a kickass-armoured knight

    Quote Originally Posted by storm12 View Post
    Seismitoad is Water/Ground :L but Poliwrath is indeed Water/Fighting :L fighting frogs... it's so cliche...
    Oh oops. I forgot because when I originally trained Seismitoad in BW I had him learn two Fighting-Type moves. My bad
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mav-san View Post
    Aaaand another Gen with the starters again lurking in the bottom tiers.

    I don't see why Fennekin or Froakie have to be bottom tier. Their Typings seem fine. Chespin, with the Grass/Dark....maybe. Unless he has stats that make up for it, Chespin most likely will be in the bottom tier.

    Oh well, I was gonna go with Fennekin from the start, and now this just really makes me want Fennekin even more.

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    Well if he is like Golbez from FF4 like one rumor stated then he should be pretty bad *** hm... actually that makes slight sense too because...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoySceptile View Post
    What? ._.
    Do you think it would be better than Grass/DARK Chespin3?

    Hehe...

    But seriously, I wanted Froakie3 to be Dark.
    unconfirmed ¬_¬ I hope Hiro whoever this mo'f'kr is, get's imprisoned/fined/shot...


    Quote Originally Posted by Valoo. View Post
    Uh... how is Froakie a Poliwrath rehash? Poliwrath is a tadpole, it looks nothing like Froakie or Frogadier. They're completely different designs. And anyway, they can reuse similar concepts without it being a rehash.


    Seismitoad is part Ground, and is based on a toad.
    well, it's like the opposite: a tadpole that never grows up and a frog that was never a tadpole- but it is still far too similar for my liking: 'fighting frog' :L yeah different stats etc. but still... jeez
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odious View Post
    We have 3 Water/Dark Pokemon Carvanha, Sharpedo and Crawdaunt and only 2 Water/Fighting types Poliwrath and Keldeo I seriously don't see the problem
    I really think people just want Froakie tobe Water/Dark so Chespin can be Grass/Fighting. That's what I want lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odious View Post
    We have 3 Water/Dark Pokemon Carvanha, Sharpedo and Crawdaunt and only 2 Water/Fighting types Poliwrath and Keldeo I seriously don't see the problem
    It isn't about that, it's about how Froakie's line is almost a recycled concept when Fighting doesn't even seem apt from what we've been shown :L just generally, Water/Dark is cooler.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nylis23 View Post
    I don't see why Fennekin or Froakie have to be bottom tier. Their Typings seem fine. Chespin, with the Grass/Dark....maybe. Unless he has stats that make up for it, Chespin most likely will be in the bottom tier.

    Oh well, I was gonna go with Fennekin from the start, and now this just really makes me want Fennekin even more.
    Well Victini was UU with like 5 weaknesses I think Fennekin's final evo can go UU as well(depending on movepool and base stats) and same goes for Froakie's final evo


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    Quote Originally Posted by storm12 View Post
    unconfirmed ¬_¬ I hope Hiro whoever this mo'f'kr is, get's imprisoned/fined/shot...
    The original Pokebeach rumour is the main source for this and has been right on practically everything so far, so I don't see why starter typings would be any different. It's incredibly likely that Quilladin will become a Dark type when it evolves.

    well, it's like the opposite: a tadpole that never grows up and a frog that was never a tadpole- but it is still far too similar for my liking: 'fighting frog' :L yeah different stats etc. but still... jeez
    Pretty much what Taodragon said; there are tons of Pokemon with similar concepts and typings that are look nothing like each other, this is no different. I really don't see why you're getting so upset about this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by storm12 View Post
    unconfirmed ¬_¬ I hope Hiro whoever this mo'f'kr is, get's imprisoned/fined/shot...
    Storm12, cool it! As much as you disagree, do not call for anyone's death/imprisonment.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nylis23 View Post
    I don't see why Fennekin or Froakie have to be bottom tier. Their Typings seem fine. Chespin, with the Grass/Dark....maybe. Unless he has stats that make up for it, Chespin most likely will be in the bottom tier.

    Oh well, I was gonna go with Fennekin from the start, and now this just really makes me want Fennekin even more.
    Sadly, I agree.

    Unless they give it like 200 base HP and Defense, and 125 Special Defense.
    Then It can kill stuff with Toxic, maybe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by storm12 View Post
    It isn't about that, it's about how Froakie's line is almost a recycled concept
    Implying Gamefreak doesn't recycle concept's for other Pokemon


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nylis23 View Post
    I don't see why Fennekin or Froakie have to be bottom tier. Their Typings seem fine. Chespin, with the Grass/Dark....maybe. Unless he has stats that make up for it, Chespin most likely will be in the bottom tier. .
    If Victiny is not OU, Fennekin won't be either. And with Keldeo in OU, Froakie has no place there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taodragon View Post
    Please, as all the Dragon/Flying, Normal/Flying, etc. prove, a certain animal sharing the same type doesn't mean that it's going to be a rehash. No one would say Salamence or Noivern is a complete ripoff of Dragonite for instance.

    Plus, Froakie and Frogadier look nothing like Poliwrath, they're obviously going in a different direction design and concept wise.
    animal, colors, typing [seemingly] pretteh similar.... Basically I am mourning why Chespin doesn't get Fighting and why Froakie doesn't get Dark....
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    I guess with all the people not liking Quillidin, he turned to the 'dark' side.

    Puns aside, dark seems like an unexpected turn for what looks like a pure 'holy' knight type but not all knights were that great. We still have bad cops and military dictators.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Odious View Post
    Implying Gamefreak doesn't recycle concept's for other Pokemon
    Well obv they do :L didn't say I liked that though...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rikku Takanashi View Post
    Well if he is like Golbez from FF4 like one rumor stated then he should be pretty bad *** hm... actually that makes slight sense too because...
    That rumor is marked as fake because of the day/night cycle being horribly off, going directly against what Masuda himself said.

    Quote Originally Posted by storm12 View Post
    unconfirmed ¬_¬ I hope Hiro whoever this mo'f'kr is, get's imprisoned/fined/shot...

    Well, to be fair, we still haven't heard an official source say these typings are true, if that helps. Not sure that will help anything at this point, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taodragon View Post
    Storm12, cool it! As much as you disagree, do not call for anyone's death/imprisonment.
    thing is, I don't know what i'm disagreeing with- how 'confirmed' is this information??
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    You know Dark-type is not a synonym for bad or evil, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by storm12 View Post
    thing is, I don't know what i'm disagreeing with- how 'confirmed' is this information??
    fairly confirmed

    we've got that old Pokebeach rumor backing it up in addition to now Hiro as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by storm12 View Post
    animal, colors, typing [seemingly] pretteh similar.... Basically I am mourning why Chespin doesn't get Fighting and why Froakie doesn't get Dark....
    There are many different frogs and many different Pokémon with the same color (in fact, Poliwrath's purple to Frogadier's dark blue). The typing is one thing but again, with the dragons and the normal/flying birds, they can easily pull off something different with Froakie.

    There's mourning and there's overreacting, saying someone should get shot/imprisoned for putting forth a differing opinion or leak is not how you handle this.

    Quote Originally Posted by storm12 View Post
    thing is, I don't know what i'm disagreeing with- how 'confirmed' is this information??
    Considering that Pokebeach's leak and Hiro support it, it's pretty likely I'd say.


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    Quote Originally Posted by storm12 View Post
    thing is, I don't know what i'm disagreeing with- how 'confirmed' is this information??
    The only 'real backing' it has is that Hiro said it, and some Pokebeach rumor, I think; don't remember the old rumors much.

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    Yeah if Froakie does go Water/Fighting it's still quite different as it definatly has a job based theme where as the poli line was just based off a fighting frog also im sure the stats are laid out differently so they both may be fighting frogs but they arn't the same poke (and personally I never liked the poli line much I think Froakie will be the better frog imo)

    And I like that Fake Fennekin Evo how does it look remotely drag queenish? remember Fennekin is going a more feminine route look at Braixen which is clearly feminine themed (sorry had to get that vent out of the way)

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    sorry guys, I overeact, a lot. Basically, I am not happy with is [evidently] and I absolutely, vehemently, hope this information is false: like some of it has been... e.g. Psychic resisting Fairy.

    Disregard mosta what I say, fanrage.

    Anyone realistically see HOW Chespin's final evo would become Grass/Dark? How does that make sense?? All they've given us etymologically and aesthetically, is armor...
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