Characters Speculation/Discussion Thread

[jdgjordan]

I Just Want An Evil Rival Again Like Gold And Silver. Not Some Best Friend Like We Had Since Gen 3.

[Lightning Raider]

I Just Want An Evil Rival Again Like Gold And Silver. Not Some Best Friend Like We Had Since Gen 3.

Yeah, a rival who will give you the cold shoulder most times. I want a really bitter rival.

[YellowHat's Revenge]

Let's have another team Rocket revival.

People were saying several pages ago that they wanted to see an attractive evil team leader. I propose that Giovanni not only had a son, Silver, but also a daughter, who wants to carry on her daddy's legacy. She can befriend the player early in the game, but later on it is revealed that she's been behind a series of terrorist acts with New Team Rocket or whatever.
She'll initially befriend you because she notices your strength, and at certain points she'll try to make you see things "her way", and perhaps attempt to get you to join her.
You might even unwittingly get caught up in a NTR scheme with her.

Give her some cute and pretty but simultaneously Dark-type or somewhat sinister Pokemon as her team.

[Nyarlathotep]

I Just Want An Evil Rival Again Like Gold And Silver. Not Some Best Friend Like We Had Since Gen 3.

Silver wasn't evil, he was just a douche, exactly like Blue, except Silver was an interesting character.
And rivals =/= enemies, I see no reasons for making them "evil". That said, I am bit tired of the exaggeratedly friendly rivals like Barry and Bianca as well.

(Cheren and Hugh weren't thaaat friendly).

[Zero38]

Can't the rival be the Evil team's boss? or a Gym leader? an E4 member? it was nice that Blue made it to the champion in the end.

[Papousse]

Silver wasn't evil, he was just a douche, exactly like Blue, except Silver was an interesting character.
And rivals =/= enemies, I see no reasons for making them "evil". That said, I am bit tired of the exaggeratedly friendly rivals like Barry and Bianca as well.

(Cheren and Hugh weren't thaaat friendly).

I agree with you. I want another riva exactly like Blue or Silver. I little bit arrogant and great rivals. Bianca and Barry were more "I try even if it does nothing" rivals. That's not very funny...
And Cheren and Hugh, like you said, were friendly, but with a touch of meanness. I think Hugh was really going on his journey for his sister, not very taking care of the player, and Cheren, I think, was a little bit jealous when the player came through the Elite Four. But they are good friends, after all. There is like 3 levels of rivals.

Too much gentle rivals (rivals that are very friendly, without enough fighting spirit, but very enjoyable).
- May/Brendan
- Barry
- Bianca

The "good" rivals, that could be a touch more better (with a great fighting spirit).
- Wally
- Cheren
- Hugh

The perfect rivals, that were sometimes mean and really wants to show off their skills (with a great fighting spirit, that really want to beat you for, sometimes, glory).
- Blue
- Silver

[YellowHat's Revenge]

Honestly, never saw Brendan/May/Bianca as the true rival. They were just kind of there.

[Nyarlathotep]

I agree with you. I want another riva exactly like Blue or Silver. I little bit arrogant and great rivals. Bianca and Barry were more "I try even if it does nothing" rivals. That's not very funny...
And Cheren and Hugh, like you said, were friendly, but with a touch of meanness. I think Hugh was really going on his journey for his sister, not very taking care of the player, and Cheren, I think, was a little bit jealous when the player came through the Elite Four. But they are good friends, after all. There is like 3 levels of rivals.

Too much gentle rivals (rivals that are very friendly, without enough fighting spirit, but very enjoyable).
- May/Brendan
- Barry
- Bianca

The "good" rivals, that could be a touch more better (with a great fighting spirit).
- Wally
- Cheren
- Hugh

The perfect rivals, that were sometimes mean and really wants to show off their skills (with a great fighting spirit, that really want to beat you for, sometimes, glory).
- Blue
- Silver

I don't really agree about Blue being a perfect rival. He is exactly the opposite. Blue was an arrogant jerk, but couldn't make for his words. Silver was basically the same, only a bit meaner, the major difference was that he had a backstory and reasons to "justify" his behavior. In the end, I don't think there were a perfect rival in Pokémon, but I think Silver and Hugh were the best ones we had.

If I had to rank the rivals, it would be:

- Silver: Yeah, like I said, he was a jerk, but this aspect of him kept me motivated to beat his lame team. Also, he had backstory and that is a plus.

- Hugh: The fact he didn't really care about the league and was on a journey in order to save the Liepard was very cool.
His personality, although a bit too "noisy" to my tastes, was refreshing after a lot of exaggeratedly friendly rivals (Again, except Cheren).

- Bianca: Yes, Bianca. First, I think she wouldn't work as sole rival, but as a second rival she was perfect.
She was basically Brendan/May done right. I love the fact she was technically stronger than Cheren and yet, she decided to not face the E4.

- Cheren: I know people dislike him, but come on, he is basically the rival with more character development. He was kinda of a douche obsessed with power in the beggining of BW, but ended up realizing that his ideals were wrong and becoming the first Gym Leader in B2W2, using Normal Pokémon. He became the incarnation of the "back to basics" phrase. I don't rank him higher because like Blue, he had no apparent reason to act like a moron sometimes.

- Blue: Well, he irritated me every time he spoke, but I admit he wasn't the worst rival we had, though he is one of my least favorites. Btw, "smell ya later" my butt.

The others were lame. I loved DPPt, but Barry wasn't interesting and his battle theme was LAME. RSE didn't have such horrible rivals that I like to think that there weren't rivals in those games.

Anyway, what I am trying to say is: I'd love a non-friendly rival, but not one like Blue. :/
He or she (preferably she) may be a jerk, but please Game Freak, give him/her a backstory (and a decent team. I am looking at you, Hugh! and decent battle theme.)

[carboncopy]

I hope we see N again in an epic form. This might make him as iconic character like Red. N has lot more potential for character development, IMO.

[Nyarlathotep]

I hope we see N again in an epic form. This might make him as iconic character like Red. N has lot more potential for character development, IMO.

I'd like to see N appearing again, but I'd LOVE to see Colress in X/Y. I love the character, his theme and his team.

Anyway, talking about the devil (Red), I never understood why Red is considered iconic...
I mean, every other protagonist did more than him, his team isn't that great and he was defeated by the rookie trainer Lyra/Ethan.

Yeah, he was the first main character, but still.

[carboncopy]

I'd like to see N appearing again, but I'd LOVE to see Colress in X/Y. I love the character, his theme and his team.

Anyway, talking about the devil (Red), I never understood why Red is considered iconic...
I mean, every other protagonist did more than him, his team isn't that great and he was defeated by the rookie trainer Lyra/Ethan.

Yeah, he was the first main character, but still.

Even I would love to see more of Colress ( look at my avatar ).
Not only was Red the first protag, but, he was portrayed in a very epic manner in gen 2. I mean, it doesn't get more epic than training in Mt. Silver ! Oh and that theme was epic too. He is the only protag to be portrayed as such.
I hope that N or Colress ( both actually ) make a return as part of the main story line. Otherwise it's kinda pointless.

[Greekboy]

I Just Want An Evil Rival Again Like Gold And Silver. Not Some Best Friend Like We Had Since Gen 3.

It would also be interesting if the rival was related with one of the "bad guy" teams, but since that's already happened some people might not like it.

[carboncopy]

I hope in Gen 6 they reveal how Alder jumps off all those cliffs and still can walk :P

[Nyarlathotep]

Not only was Red the first protag, but, he was portrayed in a very epic manner in gen 2. I mean, it doesn't get more epic than training in Mt. Silver ! Oh and that theme was epic too. He is the only protag to be portrayed as such.

Well, the theme was firstly used in Lance's battle, so I don't think it should be called "Red's theme". And training alone in a mountain isn't my idea of epicness, but I guess to each their own.

I hope that N or Colress ( both actually ) make a return as part of the main story line. Otherwise it's kinda pointless.

I agree. I don't like when a old character pops out of nowhere having no relation to the plot, just to please some of their fans.

[Chomper4]

I hope the cahmpion is the player's mother. I even have an ideal roster for her.

Maud: Electric/Steel cyborg dingo, Dragon komodo dragon, Granbull, Seismitoad, Fire/Dark fernance, Fighting warrior in a karate outfit

[carboncopy]

I hope the cahmpion is the player's mother. I even have an ideal roster for her.

Maud: Electric/Steel cyborg dingo, Dragon komodo dragon, Granbull, Seismitoad, Fire/Dark fernance, Fighting warrior in a karate outfit

Ha Ha that would be nice. It would atleast give her a better place to sleepn than the kitchen :P

Well, the theme was firstly used in Lance's battle, so I don't think it should be called "Red's theme". And training alone in a mountain isn't my idea of epicness, but I guess to each their own.

I ( and I think many more ) associate that theme with Red more than Lance. And it did feel very epic to climb up Mt Silver and find your previous self there. Didn't you feel it. Maybe it's just me.

[Mr Awesome]

Honestly, I think that Colress would be a pretty awesome pokemon professor. But I think that the champion of this game should be your father, or maybe even Red's Father!!! Just imagine how awesome it would be to go against the person who fathered one of the GREATEST trainers of all time.

[ArmyOfOneIX]

N and Colress need a comeback they are such great characters imo.

[diakyu]

I agree. I don't like when a old character pops out of nowhere having no relation to the plot, just to please some of their fans.

I'm pretty sure I've said this countless times, but what if this is the region that N was spotted in after the game in B&W? It would be pretty cool.

Anyways, I wouldn't mind having a jerkish rival again. Just give them a viable reason to become stronger. I mean Silver kind of has a reason, but Blue really had no reason to dislike the protagonist and try to become stronger.

[Nyarlathotep]

I ( and I think many more ) associate that theme with Red more than Lance. And it did feel very epic to climb up Mt Silver and find your previous self there. Didn't you feel it. Maybe it's just me.

Battling him was cool, I can't deny, but there were a lot of more "epic" boss battles in the franchise. Like battling Colress in the Plasma Frigate or battling N and Ghetsis in BW... or even battling Blue as the champion in the original games, I guess no one saw that coming. Perhaps I am more fond of battling characters that at least have a personality or role in the games. Red... was just there in Mt Silver, doing nothing, he doesn't even speak. He isn't a "real" character, only an avatar... like every other protagonists actually...

I'm pretty sure I've saidd this countless times, but what if this is the region that N was spotted in after the game in B&W? It would be pretty cool.

It definitely would. Perhaps the plot of the generation VI games will pass in the two years between BW and B2W2, with N being present in the new region?

Blue really had no reason to dislike the protagonist and try to become stronger.

YES! Exactly!