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    Quote Originally Posted by Super-Staff View Post
    It's weird because aside from a couple of COTDs, I really don't care much for the other main characters like Misty and Brock, probably because they degenerated so much. Although some of the characters introduced later got flanderized or lost some of their zest, at least they got to accomplish SOME stuff on the show or had decent episodes centered around them. Misty and Brock barely got to shine, so they became bland and since the writers haven't had them do anything too interesting after their initial show (Misty said goodbye to Togekiss and Brock..........), I just don't care much for them and neither do a lot of fans.

    There's probably more characters people would want to cameo instead of Brock. There's people who still want Misty to cameo again, even.
    Well personally my favorite character is Misty, so I would like a cameo. It's just one of those topics that you have to give up on as an older fan, if you want to see such an appearance. I can't get angry about Misty for instance, of not making an appearance, I'll just wait and if she happens to appear, well then that's a good day for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haunter227 View Post
    One person said they didn't, lolz. A large variety were wanting to see him make some return of a kind.
    Dude, it's not just one person who doesn't care for Brock in that thread. Look at it again.

    I don't even understand what's gotten your undies in a knot. Lots of people just do not care for Brock or whether he gets a cameo.

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    Yes, as time goes by, Brock's chances are dwindling (is that word? lol). :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super-Staff View Post
    Dude, it's not just one person who doesn't care for Brock in that thread. Look at it again.
    I meant who said GOD NO. Read the poll, more people wanted him back than not at all.

    I don't even understand what's gotten your undies in a knot. Lots of people just do not care for Brock or whether he gets a cameo.
    You have, because of you're ridiculous statements and things you have made up in this discussion. You frequently made out that I said things or believed in something when it wasn't the case and it is incredibly annoying. Also how you ignore my post everytime I give you a reasonable answer that puts you in your place.

    And again here's another reason why: I never said people don't care for Brock, I said that people do care for Brock in response to whether enough people want him to return. I never said he was popular, never said people don't want him to appear again, never said he has a huge fanbase etc. I simply said that there are people who do want him to return.

    Unless you can make a response that isn't ridiculous, i'm done talking to you, bye.
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    I'll just reitirate this again, Haunter227: The fanbase does not care for Brock much, therefore, the writers aren't fussing over when to give him a cameo.

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    To be frank, I never expected Brock to appear during BW. He left to pursue his own goals and there wasn't really a reason for him to come back. Unlike the female characters, he was never that popular so the writers probably never even considered having him return during this saga. I'm not upset about it because it was predictable from the start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super-Staff View Post
    I'll just reitirate this again, Haunter227: The fanbase does not care for Brock much, therefore, the writers aren't fussing over when to give him a cameo.
    People like him, I like him but his story was more then over and he had to leave, a cameo is not a problem but he has been here for a while so he doesn't absolutelly need it, he has left and comeback a few times.

    I like him but I definetly prefer Dent.

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    Ahem* make that another Brock fan right here. Anyways, the trick to getting opinions of Pokemon is to look in places that are non-specific to a particular subject. Here on the forums, trends tend to form around the majority of active members. General sites for the average, random people such as Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, etc are, with proper research, much better for getting a vibe of whats hot and whats not. Even Pokemon forums that are generally not-specific to various sections are good places to start. No method is perfect however. Regardless, arguing about it here is only hindering what should be civil and entertaining Brock discussion. His chances of an appearance for any period of time are determined by the writers/producers based on both demand for him, and their own plans.
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    I can't said that Brock won't get a guest appareance until the very end because the fact that Brock is in Kanto. The place where Ash go between regions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super-Staff View Post
    The better question is: Do people even care enough about Brock to warrant him a cameo?
    Hey!!! Look at the sig yo ]:<!!

    Also I love how the whole arc is suddenly about N and Plasma, as we have seen with the league, the writers don't really care about focusing on something so there is plenty of time for Brock to appear if they want him to.
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    Hmm, I was honestly thinking this too... Living in my own delusional world, I was hoping he along with Misty and May would all appear in BW at some point, but that's not going to happen. His only chance is the final episode of BW when Ash returns there, like what Gary did in AG....

    I do wonder though, every series we get an opening with a shot of all of Ash's past travelling friends. We haven't yet for BW. I mean, if there is a new opening starting with the N stuff then maybe, but that doesn't fit. Oh well :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueVapor View Post

    I do wonder though, every series we get an opening with a shot of all of Ash's past travelling friends. We haven't yet for BW. I mean, if there is a new opening starting with the N stuff then maybe, but that doesn't fit. Oh well :/
    Maybe they stopped doing that because it tricks people into thinking those characters will appear. Misty was actually in a lot of the AG openings too including the two Battle Frontier ones, but she didn't actually appear in any of those BF episodes after Ash left Pallet. And of course in DP, neither Misty, Max nor Tracey appeared despite being in the second opening.

    Openings are misleading.

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    Well, seeing him in Dawn's flashbacks wasn t enough. I wish there was there a new opening with the old characters.

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    yep, very unfortunate tho. Dawn gets like 10 eppys along with that penguin but the legend can barely get one!!
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    Due to how Brock wanted devote his time to studying to become a doctor, it meant he wasn't going to go traveling. They gave Brock a reason to stay behind this time, pretty sure they planned to not give him an in-person cameo. Be happy with what you got.
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    Considering how poorly they handled Dawn's cameo do we even want him back to suffer through that? Brock's a character that's very easily overshadowed by another. It wouldn't do much for that to happen to him. It happened to Dawn and she was one of the most predominate friends ever.

    I thought the way they handled Brock in Best Wishes 2 was enough. As long as they continue acknowledging he existed I can live with him not appearing in the flesh.

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    He can still get episodes if they focus on Castelia City and their medical schools. He could appear in a town and travel with them until then. Participate in a tourney for fun maybe. I doubt all 30 or so episodes will focus on Team Plasma.
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    Quote Originally Posted by _Taidow_ View Post
    He cans till get episodes if they focus on Castelia City and their medical schools. He could appear in a town and travel with them until then. Participate in a tourney for fun maybe. I doubt all 30 or so episodes will focus on Team Plasma.
    There's probably going to be some last tournament for Ash before this gen ends. I can't see them ending a generation without Ash's pokemon team doing one last big battle. Whether its against league opponents or Brock appears remains to be seen.

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    Theoretically there is still chance for Brock to make cameo appearance since new generation at least wont begin until end of 2013. Not to mention his flashbacks in Dawn cameo could serve as foreplay announcing his return in person eventually.

    I would like to see some update on his character, pokemon and how is doctor career progressing and i believe his similarities with Cilan create foundations for some worthy, interesting interactions. Meeting between two older make sidekicks who are like older brother to group and cook contest to determine who is better chef could besar some fruits on table imo.
    It would be interesting to see him doing field work and research on pokemon outside of center along with learning about new ways of curing from first hand by meeting other specialists not only relying on books making sense serving as way to enrich his knowledge which could help him when passing test and examiners in future trying to become doctor.

    And seeing him battle for old time sake would be appreciated too. With such impressive pokemon arsenal like Steelix, Croagunk, Foretress, Marshtamp, Crobat, Sudowoodo its real shame we never saw him battle much.

    Quote Originally Posted by Super-Staff View Post
    The better question is: Do people even care enough about Brock to warrant him a cameo?
    If you ask me such way of thinking only further encourage having anime imbued with lower quality which suffers from intermittent connections with past, very little continuity and lack of cohesive and stable storyline. Which is anything but good with constant cast cycling not contributing much in long term to ensure appeal and loyalty among fandom to broad show popularity.

    Even if we get sick of certain character that doesn't mean he couldn't restore in future appeal he used to have making us appreciate him again. Or create different spin to him/her adding new interesting dimension to it.
    Instead of stopping to care altogether turning blind eye to problem, avoiding to directly face with it.

    Personally yes i miss Brock, and many other people out there miss him too having fond memories of character wanting to see him again. Granted there are other characters which i would rather have return who haven't been seen for years like Misty, but i still appreciate Brock contribution to anime and all positive things he did deserving some recognition. No one deserves to end up abandoned and erased from face of existence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Super-Staff View Post
    Yeah, like, a couple?
    Admittedly demand for Brock isn't so prevalent around here but judging by youtube, deviantart, pokecommuntity or tumblr Brock still has respectively big following with number being counted in thousands. Not even counting those who either don't come on internet or don't post on pokesites .

    Quote Originally Posted by Super-Staff View Post

    When it comes to Brock, I see a lot of people talk about how stale and annoying he ended up becoming. I see little fanart and fanfiction for him. People rarely state he's a favorite of theirs.
    Fanart and fanfiction isn't credible indication through which we can base someone popularity though, because not every character which is popular has lot of appeal for shipping or invention of fanon stories about himself.

    Needless to say just because you see sizable portion claiming Brock got "stale" doesn't mean something is true.

    For instance "many like junk food, but that doesn't make it fine cuisine".

    Quote Originally Posted by Super-Staff View Post
    It's weird because aside from a couple of COTDs, I really don't care much for the other main characters like Misty and Brock, probably because they degenerated so much.
    I presume your speaking for yourself, because i didn't found Misty character stale at all with most of her highlights coming from Orange Islands and Johto. On contrary just when writers finally started to do more with her story exploring on water master dream with Whirl Cup making things become interesting which was fresh breath of air after usual supporting role character was put in, she got replaced.
    Being followed with some notable growth in chronicles and AG cameos earning sisters respect, taming Gsarados, releasing Togetic etc.

    Value of character shouldn't be determined by how much focus he gets, but by how much he contributes to anime appeal and Misty definitely managed to add tension and vibrant dynamic in cast, helped Ash grow as trainer, often contributed to resolution of plots in episodes and got some intriguing growth herself too.

    Granted writers made slip with her in mid Johto being often on sidelines, but way i see it with Master Quest and onwards character was successfully brought back on right track managing to keep appeal.

    Same applies to Brock until DP where he got shafted too much for my taste i thought he was handled pretty good especially in AG saga. I enjoyed in his interactions with AG cast still having his moments, addition of Max helped his character by having someone to who he could relate to and his breeding career got some notable focus too often helping to resolve alarming situations regarding wild or endured pokemon, took care of suck characters like nurse Joy etc.
    Likewise he was more active than i can say for Johto too having some notable moments like battling May in contest, battling TR with Ash in tag match to save Pewter gym, learn about new ways to prepare food and keep pokemon in top shape(like pokeblocks etc).

    I just don't care much for them and neither do a lot of fans.
    Any proof to back this up? Because i can assure you how internet is full of people who like Misty character with demands for return for cameo or even return to cast still being respectively big. Even after such long time being equally popular to other girls (arguably even more).
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    Brock's finished! He decided to become a pokemon doctor and left the series! His chances of coming back are absolutely zero. But i'll never forget his long appearance in the anime. Nobody who replaces him would be better than him! Not Cilan, not anyone!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PokemonMasters View Post
    Brock's finished! He decided to become a pokemon doctor and left the series! His chances of coming back are absolutely zero. But i'll never forget his long appearance in the anime. Nobody who replaces him would be better than him! Not Cilan, not anyone!
    He means as a cameo -_-.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Super-Staff View Post
    The better question is: Do people even care enough about Brock to warrant him a cameo?
    Of course, Brock has a lot of fans. He is from the original cast, he has way more weight than dawn, may...etc

    *sees an angry mob of newgenners behind*

    I expected this.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PokemonMasters View Post
    Brock's finished! He decided to become a pokemon doctor and left the series! His chances of coming back are absolutely zero. But i'll never forget his long appearance in the anime. Nobody who replaces him would be better than him! Not Cilan, not anyone!
    To be fair every character has chance to come back again if writers find his return could help advance current story or contribute to its plot. People thought Brock was finished when staying with prof. Ivy to advance breeder career but writers still managed to find way to reintroduce him back.

    Not to mention doctors sometimes travel too to go on conventions, research about new pokemon and new ways of healing so its not like we couldn't see him catch up with Ash at some point. A least for appearance that is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hilda View Post
    Of course, Brock has a lot of fans. He is from the original cast, he has way more weight than dawn, may...etc
    Quoted for truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilda View Post
    Of course, Brock has a lot of fans. He is from the original cast, he has way more weight than dawn, may...etc

    *sees an angry mob of newgenners behind*

    I expected this.
    Brock has always been slightly less popular than all 3 of the main girls of the anime before BW. And I'm saying this without bias.

    Even when the show first started it always seemed like Misty was slightly more popular than Brock. And the main story of AG and DP focused on May and Dawn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by An00bis View Post
    Considering how poorly they handled Dawn's cameo do we even want him back to suffer through that? Brock's a character that's very easily overshadowed by another. It wouldn't do much for that to happen to him. It happened to Dawn and she was one of the most predominate friends ever.

    I thought the way they handled Brock in Best Wishes 2 was enough. As long as they continue acknowledging he existed I can live with him not appearing in the flesh.
    This. If I want to see Brock I don't want it to be in Best Wishes. We have so many main characters they aren't all going to get cameos anymore. This is why I keep saying we need Chronicles. I know we aren't getting one but still, if we had one it wouldn't make a difference if characters cameoed in Ash's current region or not.
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