Ash had to lose anyway though. I just wish he had lost to Virgil, a trainer who had a decent team and won all his battles fairly.
When people say Cameron doesn't have a decent team, are they referring to him not bringing his full team with him? I would much rather use Cameron's team than I would Virgil's.
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2 Steel: Lucario, Ferrothorn
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Not just that but he sends Ferrothorn against a Fire/Fighting type and Swanna against an Electric-type. He needs a better variety. It just seems like his team was hastily put together. Virgil's team is more balanced with types and he actually thinks about type match-up.
In his battle against Cameron, Cameron's team was basically all gone and Virgil had one he never used and had Espeon and Flareon still standing. So it's obvious his team was much better put together.
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I just noticed that Circle Throw completely disregards its effect: it's a Roar with actual damage input.
Yet another anime inconsistency.
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2. Even if it had been brought up in the anime, using anime and realistic logic it makes no sense for a move to return a Pokemon to it's Poke ball, if it does damage. I can understand roar because it's about making the Pokemon flee, Whirlwind makes even less sense but whatever, to think a move that can inflict damage somehow causing the Pokemon to return to the Poke ball if anything should be at the discretion of the user of the move as it's the one using the move.
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The irony that the winner of the Unova League is a person that has no interest in becoming Champion or a Pokemon Master and is only participating because he was casually training his team against gym leaders so they can do basic rescue missions... is not lost on me.
I'm still disappointed in this episode. At least the makers of the series would look back at how many Pokemon Leagues that Ash has lost, and at least let him win for once. I was just able to watch this last night, and after Ash lost, I wanted to see Virgil win and what do ya know, he does.
Yeah, Ash losing to Cameron when Cameron didn't even have a full team sucks, but it still isn't as bad a league loss as when Ash lost to Richie because Charizard wouldn't obey him. I still find "Friend or Foe" hard to watch. I did like the montage at the end of this episode.
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i did not like how he got a surprise evolution and had an over powered hydreigon as well. ash should have won, but they made him lose to a trainer who didn't even have a full team. i am quite disappointed in this episode.
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I am okay with Cameron winning here since Ash deserved to be beat after he gave Cameron everything he needed to win the battle and did such a poor job in the region in all.
Also Virgil beating Cameron so easily and Dino almost winning showed that they were more skilled then Ash as well. The only people that Ash truly showed he had more skill then was Stephan and Bianca.
Ash had never been that humiliated before. And this episode is basically the creed of Unova: humiliating Ash.
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This episode picked up where "Cameron's Secret Weapon!" left off. After Cameron's Riolu evolved into Lucario, Ash ordered Snivy to use Leaf Blade on it and Snivy tried to do so. But Lucario sent Snivy flying with a Force Plam attack. Snivy tries to use Vine Whip on Lucario, but it grabs Snivy's Vine Whip, then it spins her and throw her off in the ground! Snivy still manages to get back on her feet, but then Cameron's Lucario uses the OP move.......Aura Sphere and knocks out Snivy(darn!). Then Ash sends his last Pokémon Pikachu to battle Lucario. Then Pikachu and Lucario starts hitting each other with Iron Tail, Force Plam, Electro Ball, Aura Sphere and after a while both Pokémon were down. Ash and Cameron encouraged their Pokémon to get up and they did! Lucario uses Aura Sphere and Pikachu uses Electro ball. both attacks collide, but Aura Sphere overpowers Electro Ball it hits Pikachu hard.....and knocks him out, making Cameron the winner.
Cameron and Virgil battled in the next round. After Cameron was down to his last Pokémon Lucario, Virgil's Flareon totally owned Cameron's Lucario and won the match. Bianca said he'll cheer for Virgil all the way......because he defeated Cameron who defeated Ash? I guess she's just happy that Virgil defeated the same person that defeated her in the Unova league. As expected, Virgil defeated Dino in the finals and won the unova League.
Later Ash, Iris, Cilan, Steaphan and Cameron congratulated Virgil for winning the Unova league and then he left in helicopter. Just then Bianca comes running with a bunch of Castelia Cones in her hands, and she accidently Knocks Ash into a water fountain! She tells that she was hoping to give Virgil all the Castelia Cones(What? Why'd you want to do that?), but since he left, she'll give the it to the others.
Later we saw Ash standing in the middle of the empty battlefield, remebering his adventures in Unova.......which was a throwback to Ash rembering his battles in "Friends to The End!" Iris and Cilan called him and he went running towards them as one of the worst episodes of the Pokémon series ended.
So, Cameron wins the match and the battle frontier winner Ash loses? Oh seriously? He really had to lose to scatterbrained trainer? I was hoping for Ash to beat Cameron and fight Virgil in the semi finals, but NO.....He lost! Sigh, instead of making it to the Top 4 again, he made it to the Top 8. He actually regressed in the Unova league. Instead of making Ash progress, this time the writers humiliated Ash by make him lose to a trainer who dosen't even know that a full battle requires Six Pokémon. This episode sucked more than the last episode, not only did Ash's league ranking dropped, he lost to a inexperienced trainer. Compared to the Sinnoh League, the Unova League was BS.
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This episode, my gosh this episode was horrible!
This really just feels to me the ONLY reason Ash lost is because Cameron's Riolu evolved into Lucario. That's it. Ash actually could have won this but no, they have to gave Lucario some more glory. Then Virgil proceeds to beat Cameron easily in the next round and goes on to be the champion. Seriously?!
This episode basically justifies why Virgil was a pointless character. I feel he should have been the one to defeat Ash because at least he actually knows what he's doing. Cameron was and is an unlikeable idiot who should have never existed in the first place. Part of me wishes a different rival should have showcased Samurott *sigh*