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    Quote Originally Posted by Zachmac View Post
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    I'm not much of a LC person, put it seems Solosis can pull of a mini-Reuniclus trick room set rather well, and get away with a power boosting nature better, making it hit even harder. It seems to have much better HP and defense as well.
    This still doesn't change the fact that Abra is also more versatile and still largely outclasses Solosis. Abra is also harder to trap with Sucker Punch or Pursuit than Solosis is, and Abra has the naturally high speed while Solosis has to waste a turn setting it up, in the mean time the Dark type counters such as Murkrow, Houndour, Stunky, etc switch in and can kill off Solosis with Sucker Punch (Stunky doing very well as Solosis' best option is HP Fighting, which doesn't do too much damage.) Abra has the advantage of having Protect on several of its sets so it doesn't have to worry so much about a Pursuit/Sucker Punch guessing game, and can also Dual Screen and Encore (Encore leaving Sucker Punch users helpless as Abra switches out). I'm sure KT can explain it better since he plays the tier a lot more frequently, but this is what I can garner from the info I have at hand lol

    Also, I'd trust KT on this, he plays LC pretty much more than anyone. Though I don't doubt that Solosis has a certain niche to fill, I agree with KT that Abra outclasses Solosis as any sort of sweeper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zachmac View Post
    Rule #1 of Competitive battling is that the Smogon analysis is the best archive of usable sets on the web. Rule #2 is an exception to the rule, in which their LC analysis is godawful. Barring a few commonly used LC mons like Scrafty or Misdreavus the Smogon LC analysis tends to be useless. A lot of them are full of errors and are unrealistic in how they present the usability of LC Pokemon. The reason for this is during the early B/W metagame development a lot of people wrote LC analysis because they were easy, as so few people in quality control played the game so no one really was able to tell what set was **** or not.

    On the other hand LC is weird, where almost everything can be a sweeper in the right situation. Don't be fooled about Solosis though. Priority is on literally every LC team and Solosis isn't much bulkier than Abra, but unlike Abra it needs a turn to setup Trick Room to do anything. On a dedicated Trick Room team sure it might be useful but in most cases Abra is just better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Harvest View Post
    Rule #1 of Competitive battling is that the Smogon analysis is the best archive of usable sets on the web. Rule #2 is an exception to the rule, in which their LC analysis is godawful. Barring a few commonly used LC mons like Scrafty or Misdreavus the Smogon LC analysis tends to be useless. A lot of them are full of errors and are unrealistic in how they present the usability of LC Pokemon. The reason for this is during the early B/W metagame development a lot of people wrote LC analysis because they were easy, as so few people in quality control played the game so no one really was able to tell what set was **** or not.

    On the other hand LC is weird, where almost everything can be a sweeper in the right situation. Don't be fooled about Solosis though. Priority is on literally every LC team and Solosis isn't much bulkier than Abra, but unlike Abra it needs a turn to setup Trick Room to do anything. On a dedicated Trick Room team sure it might be useful but in most cases Abra is just better.
    I didn't know scrafty was lc? Probably a mistype there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Harvest View Post
    Rule #1 of Competitive battling is that the Smogon analysis is the best archive of usable sets on the web. Rule #2 is an exception to the rule, in which their LC analysis is godawful. Barring a few commonly used LC mons like Scrafty or Misdreavus the Smogon LC analysis tends to be useless. A lot of them are full of errors and are unrealistic in how they present the usability of LC Pokemon. The reason for this is during the early B/W metagame development a lot of people wrote LC analysis because they were easy, as so few people in quality control played the game so no one really was able to tell what set was **** or not.

    On the other hand LC is weird, where almost everything can be a sweeper in the right situation. Don't be fooled about Solosis though. Priority is on literally every LC team and Solosis isn't much bulkier than Abra, but unlike Abra it needs a turn to setup Trick Room to do anything. On a dedicated Trick Room team sure it might be useful but in most cases Abra is just better.
    Yeah basically, Trick Room is kinda cool, but it really doesnt work. Lots of pokemon have a lot of speed investment, and will be genrally be quite fast, which you'd think would make trick room awesome, but like BH said, LC teams have so much priority with them. (Mienfoo Fake out, Murkrow Sucker Punch, Aqua Jet, Mach Punch, Quick Attack [cause some things actually use it effectivly lol], and having to put up Trick Room will take time that could cost you the match. I totally forgot the point where Trick Room teams are so weak without Trick Room, most of yyour pokes will die before Trick s really starting to be effective 89% of the time. Just the thing about Solosis, if your actually wanting to use it, it's probably the best for Trick Room, but by how weak Trick Room is, your still better off using Abra, and a standard team, to cripple you much less than if your using Trick Room. (Also to that part about the LC analysises, I'd like to back up BH's argument by showing these.

    You literraly made an analysis for a poke with 4 moves
    I want you to look at those stats for a minute
    "and it should never be seriously considered for a teamslot"
    "Ledyba can even wall a few top threats, including Mienfoo and the ever-dangerous Scraggy."
    Even Shroomish was better than this
    lol

    Reuniclus on the other hand (cause i actaully knew stuff about OU), I like better as a Calm Mind, since it makes it so bulky, but Trick room is pretty good, cause it is notacbly slower than everything, and OU has less prioirty move spam comapred to LC, but Reuniclus is builk and very powerful, jsut deal with its like 92 speed lol
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    ... don't forget the glorious Agility Paras and "Utility Wall" Ledyba.

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    Set Name: A Wall for Cell-ebration

    Duosion
    EVs: 4 Hp 252 Sp. A 126 Sp.D 126 Def
    Item: Eviolite/Light Clay
    Moves;
    Psychock/Psychic
    Thunder/Hidden Power (Fighting)
    Light Screen
    Reflect

    Psychic is one of Dousion's best attack, and can hit hard. But Psyshock, another option, allows you to get arround special walls. Unlucky for Duosion, it can't learn Focus Blast, so is stuck with Hidded Power (Fighting) to get around steel types. But for pure power, use Thunder. Light Screen and Reflect allows Duosion to last for longer or set up for friends, and it works really good with the Light Clay. but if you want Duosion to be around longer for the sacrifice of light screen/reflect lasting shorter, than use eviolite.

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