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    Default Your stance on "pity" badges.

    What do you think of "pity" badges?

    Personally, I like them. They're refreshing for the plot. Without them, Kanto would have amounted to just gym battle after gym battle (and we never would have gotten that awesome Sabrina arc!). Just because he didn't get them traditionally doesn't mean he didn't earn them. He rescued Erika's Gloom, made Sabrina laugh (Psychic types were OP, so Ash couldn't possibly beat her plausibly), saved Cerulean Gym from TR, and impressed Brock with his action of putting his Pokemon's health before a victory; the least they could do is reward him, right? He did prove himself, after all.

    So yeah, they're pretty underrated, and we need more Gym arcs like that.

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    Granted it was during an earlier period and writing was different back then, so I'm not gonna complain. I think its an interesting idea at least, because it just goes to show that a gym leaders true purpose is to test a trainer's character, not simply their battling ability. In the end, thats what matters, no matter how "good" or "poorly" executed.
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    Actually I wouldn't mind a few more of them haha. Just because it gave something special to the show. It wasn't going by your strength, but by the strength of your heart.

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    It's one of those things that can be cool with execution, but it got ridiculous after a while. With Brock it was in name of a plot point, because Ash's compassion is what made Brock join in the first place. While Erika and Sabrina's badges were both earned in rightful ways since Sabrina was technically invincible and Ash was wrongfully refused a battle at the Celedon gym. I still think that Ash didn't earn the Cerulean badge though. He had beat Team Rocket several times already, so it's hardly a worthy accomplishment.

    I'm glad that they've gotten rid of them in a way though. Because it does kind of make Ash look bad when he doesn't earn his badges.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Plus side down side View Post
    I still think that Ash didn't earn the Cerulean badge though. He had beat Team Rocket several times already, so it's hardly a worthy accomplishment.
    True, but regardless, he saved the gym (without him, who knows what could have happened...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by marioluigifan05 View Post
    True, but regardless, he saved the gym (without him, who knows what could have happened...)
    And actually, although it was much later, he did beat misty in a battle in the johto region episode "the totodile duel"...and speaking of I loved in that battle how misty used togepi to make pikachu forfeit the match, that was so adorable and sweet and clever...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caseydia View Post
    Pity badges don't serve any purpose to Ash now that he's been a winning fandom with gymbattles after Kanto. If you think they will dumb Ash down even more to gain back pity badges like he used to than you just need to re-watch the old series again.
    He's already been dumbed down XD And again, he doesn't have to be dumbed down for a 'pity' badge, there just needs to be a good story behind it. I wouldn't want, say, for Skyla to 'determine' he was the winner and then he just gets the badge, that would be a waste.

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    It's wrong to say pity though, he did deserve them.
    Hence why it's in quotation marks. :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by marioluigifan05 View Post
    He's already been dumbed down XD And again, he doesn't have to be dumbed down for a 'pity' badge, there just needs to be a good story behind it. I wouldn't want, say, for Skyla to 'determine' he was the winner and then he just gets the badge, that would be a waste.
    He is dumbed down, but not to the point that he doesn't know how to battle.

    Good story or not, pity badges aren't needed anymore. If there was a beginning trainer then I can see but Ash, no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plus side down side View Post
    It's one of those things that can be cool with execution, but it got ridiculous after a while. With Brock it was in name of a plot point, because Ash's compassion is what made Brock join in the first place. While Erika and Sabrina's badges were both earned in rightful ways since Sabrina was technically invincible and Ash was wrongfully refused a battle at the Celedon gym. I still think that Ash didn't earn the Cerulean badge though. He had beat Team Rocket several times already, so it's hardly a worthy accomplishment.

    I'm glad that they've gotten rid of them in a way though. Because it does kind of make Ash look bad when he doesn't earn his badges.
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    Yeah I remember the pity badges... thankfully it mainly occured in the Kanto region. I'm glad that Ash had to actually battle the gym leaders and win in the later seasons. I feel that having to re-battle a gym leader makes for better story telling, like Ash's rebattle with Lenora in BW. Expecially since it took me more than two turns to beat her myself (she was the hardest gym leader for me in Unova for some reason).
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    We have to look at the time period. I believe that it was stated that the writers were only planning the kanto series and then would call it quits. Hench why there were so many pitty badges. Every gym battle that Ash went to he never won on his first try. He either got it for a good deed ( Brock, Misty, and Erika) won by default ( Sabrina was not able to battle cuz of laughter), won after a rematch either through loss or Team Rocket interference (Lt.Surge, Koga, and Blaine) or challenge the right gym but not the true gym leader (Team Rocket). But look at how popular the series has gotten and its to the point that the writers make Ash mad at the sight of a gym leader giving out pitty badges.
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    I didn't really mind pity badges to be honest. I mean I know that's one of the supposed "flaws" of Kanto but was it ever stated that Ash had to win battles in Kanto to get a badge. That call is up to the Gym Leader and if they felt Ash deserved it, so be it. Look, we know Ash wasn't a great trainer in Kanto but he was likeable, he was a good kid, he loved Pokémon and he always saved the day. I think he did deserved the badges.

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    aha, i think they're good and fine ideas.

    ...but for every badge gained like this, I lose a battle I can wrap my mind around. XD

    so its a win-lose situation ._.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EmphaticPikachu View Post
    aha, i think they're good and fine ideas.

    ...but for every badge gained like this, I lose a battle I can wrap my mind around. XD

    so its a win-lose situation ._.
    To be fair, there were good battles in there especially Ash vs Blaine and Ash vs Lt.Surge. I wasn't that impressed by the Brock, Erika and Koga Gym Battles but I also liked the TRio, Misty and Sabrina battles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pokemaniac24 View Post
    To be fair, there were good battles in there especially Ash vs Blaine and Ash vs Lt.Surge. I wasn't that impressed by the Brock, Erika and Koga Gym Battles but I also liked the TRio, Misty and Sabrina battles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EmphaticPikachu View Post
    let me tell you how much I loved Ash VS Lt. surge <3
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    My stance on pity badges is that only two of them were certified pity badges: the Cascade Badge and Rainbow Badge. The Boulder Badge might qualify as well, but you could make an argument that the Boulder Badge was Brock's pity badge and not Ash's; it was himself he was feeling sorry for when he gave it to Ash. And no, I do not think the Marsh Badge was a pity badge at all. Ash didn't win the battle, but Sabrina definately lost it, so the badge was fairly Ash's. All in all, Kanto's rep for "pity badges" is blown out of proportion by the fandom.

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    I didn't watch most of Kanto, but while I think that it is refreshing, the amount of pity badges (according to most posters) in kanto is ridiculous. At most, we should just get 1 "pity" badges. Not all gym leaders are warm and sunny and pitiful, so I prefer Ash to rightfully earn them rather than getting pity from a gym leader. 1 at most, lol. More than that, it'd be ridiculous.

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    Depends on how the pity badge is executed. It wasn't too bad in Kanto, even though I swear it happened up until Ash got to battle Blaine (I don't count Brock as something he won fair and square, though Lt. Surge's gym battle was possibly the best Gym Leader battle in all of Kanto), in which case he truly did win it. It makes sense that the Gym Leader, while they are required to battle you, are looking for your skill as a Trainer, and how much you really care for Pokémon no matter what. But that doesn't mean they should automatically break down every time you do a little service for them. Ash most of the time got really lucky because of Team Rocket's timing.

    I haven't really paid much attention to the later gym battles to see whether they were strategic wins or pity badges (and the fact I stopped watching after Advanced Battle), but I do remember feeling ripped off whenever Ash got his badge and we never once saw the Gym Leader's last Pokémon faint. I always have wondered if he ever learned from it all or not.
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    Since I don't really enjoy the battling as much as most watchers I don't mind them so long as the episode is good. Most of the episodes where Ash got a badge he didn't legitimately win (including episodes the Gym Leader forfeited or he tied or even the Roxie handicap match) were better then some other episodes where Ash won but it was hardly entertaining to watch (Mossdeep Gym and Elesa's Gym).

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    It depends on how its executed in story itself for me.

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    I have to admit that ash got a lot of 'pity badges' in kanto, but otherwise it would have taken twice as long. I wouldn't mind him getting some now, just as long as they weren't just thrown in there. As long as there is a good story behind them then they're ok.

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    I like the idea of pity badges much more than the 6v3 crap in Roxie's gym.. I know that was how it's done in the games, but still, it just didn't fit in with the anime..
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    I didn't care about it in Kanto but if it happened in every region it would have gotten old fast.

    Johto still had some pity badges too like Pryce and Whitney.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberCubed View Post
    I didn't care about it in Kanto but if it happened in every region it would have gotten old fast.

    Johto still had some pity badges too like Pryce and Whitney.
    Was Pryce really a pity badge? I thought that the electric leader, I forgot his name, in Hoenn gave a pity badge, but I don't see how Pryce did. Ash's Pikachu beat his Pokemon by going underneath it and shocking it. It seemed to me that Pikachu won.
    Whitney on the other hand was more a half pity badge. She seemed to know that Ash's strategy wouldn't work in her gym, so she just gave him the badge... xD He did win against her though.

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