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    What I've been hoping for... and, well, yeah, it'll have to start in Volume 44...

    Volume 44: Cilan, Chili, and Cress
    Volume 45: Lenora and Burgh
    Volume 46: Elesa and Clay
    Volume 47: Skyla and Brycen
    Volume 48: Drayden and Iris
    Volume Eventually: Roxie and Marlon

    Volumes 44, 45, and 48 would work really well in particular, I think, if they were done that way.

    And I hope they'll be released faster. Three month schedule, at least. Sure things'll probably get changed, but it can't be that much, can it?
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    Personally, since we already saw the contents of the next eight or so volumes, I'm not too anxious about volume releases anymore (the only thing that I was waiting for in Volume 43 was the unreleased ending). The thing that I'm anticipating now is the ending of BW and BW2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macromind101 View Post
    Personally, since we already saw the contents of the next eight or so volumes, I'm not too anxious about volume releases anymore (the only thing that I was waiting for in Volume 43 was the unreleased ending). The thing that I'm anticipating now is the ending of BW and BW2.
    Kusaka adds scenes here and there. So we might get a few surprises every once in a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beat! View Post
    Kusaka adds scenes here and there. So we might get a few surprises every once in a while.
    Yeah but I'm pretty sure those scenes won't affect the overall plot too much. In the DP chapter, the changes from the magazines to volumes were stuff like changing Mars's power-generator from a Luxray to an Electivire so if BW is finished in the magazines, then I'm sure whatever changes in the volumes will be fairly minor, though an expansion on the ending is possible and I hope the current jumble of BW chapters gets organized.

    Oh and to the Elite Trio scene in Ilex Forest: why are their two psychics and one poison? Shouldn't there be an electric-type for Ken? And Coronis, if you can see this, was it ever hinted that at the end of the Emerald chapter, eggs were produced from Mantine, Mr. Mime and Sudowoodo as well? And what was the hint that indicated that Dia's Munchlax is the offspring of Red's Snor and Emerald's Snorlax?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macromind101 View Post
    Oh and to the Elite Trio scene in Ilex Forest: why are their two psychics and one poison? Shouldn't there be an electric-type for Ken?
    I think it's to feature the attacks left over e.g. Accupressure (Skorupi), Copycat (Mime Jr.) and Switcheroo (Hypno)

    Maybe Kusaka didn't find any suitable Electric-types for those attacks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by redchesus View Post
    I think it's to feature the attacks left over e.g. Accupressure (Skorupi), Copycat (Mime Jr.) and Switcheroo (Hypno)

    Maybe Kusaka didn't find any suitable Electric-types for those attacks?
    The only Electric-types that can learn the moves anyway are Plusle (Copycat), Minun (Copycat), and Electrike (Switcheroo).

    The first two are obvious as to why they weren't used, and Wattson also used Electrike, so I guess that's why they didn't use again. And besides, has a Skorupi even been shown battling in Pokespe before?

    And besides, it's not like they only use those specific types. Ken used a Tauros and Jynx once. Al used a Gengar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lolipiece View Post
    The only Electric-types that can learn the moves anyway are Plusle (Copycat), Minun (Copycat), and Electrike (Switcheroo).

    The first two are obvious as to why they weren't used, and Wattson also used Electrike, so I guess that's why they didn't use again. And besides, has a Skorupi even been shown battling in Pokespe before?

    And besides, it's not like they only use those specific types. Ken used a Tauros and Jynx once. Al used a Gengar.
    Yeah but that was before the idea that Ken, Al and Harry directly served under the three evil gym leaders arose. After that, each of the three specialized.

    Well idrc and I guess the showcasing of the three moves do make sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macromind101 View Post
    Yeah but that was before the idea that Ken, Al and Harry directly served under the three evil gym leaders arose. After that, each of the three specialized.

    Well idrc and I guess the showcasing of the three moves do make sense.
    Ken used Octillery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beat! View Post
    So i was thinking..since from here on there are only previously released rounds and not a lot of original content, the volume releases will be more often? Considering Kusaka has to work with the B2W2 chapter maybe there will be less time between releases.

    Also the back cover layout would be something like this:

    Vol. 44: Striaton Trio and possibly Lenora
    Vol 45: Burgh and Elesa
    Vol 46: Clay and Skyla
    Vol 47: Brycen and Iris
    Vol 48: Drayden and...Alder? ( Or if Lenora is not featured in the Vol. 44 back cover then Drayden could be paired up with Iris or Brycen)
    Vol 49: Alder..or Ghetsis and N
    I also talk about the back covers I guess.

    Vol. 44: Striaton Trio
    Vol. 45: Lenora and Burgh (Maybe add Hawes)
    Vol. 46: Elesa and Clay
    Vol. 47: Skyla and Bryce
    Vol. 48: Drayden and Iris
    Vol. 49: Alder/Ghetsis/N/Shadow Triad

    Marlon and Roxie maybe on B2W2 back cover.

    Although they still have a chance on the back cover of Vol. 49, but Roxie yet to debut......

    And I think Cheren and Bianca have a chance on the back cover of the first volume of B2W2 .

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    Thanks for the summaries, Coronis.

    This volume... the whole of HGSS arc are just... ugh. There are a few good ideas here and there, but most of them are either bad or written very badly. This volume shows that the HGSS arc is not only a rush job, but also a hack job. Trutown pretty much shows how weak the connections HGSS attempts to make are.

    Kusaka should just make Celebi the main character. It'll help make it less of a massive deus ex machina.

    This arc is a joke. Now we just need some future arc to write it out of existence.
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    Actually I'm pretty fine with HGSS. It was rushed, yes but I can see why with BW and all. That and I pretty much got out of PokeSpe and came back to reading it around this time so I didn't have anything crushed.

    I can say it was better than the magazines. =P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trutown View Post
    Why does Giovanni go back to running Team Rocket when it was stated in FRLG that he was only after Silver and it was implied that he wanted to leave the crime business to spend his last days with his son?
    You just answered your own question. Giovanni only was going to leave crime because he was dying and wanted to spend the end of his life in peace with his son. But now Celebi has cured him; he's not dying anymore. So the temptation to return to being the leader of Team Rocket, which is something he has always sincerely believed in, is too great for him.

    Why does Giovanni let him do this? Why would Giovanni want Silver to train under the man who kidnapped him? Why would he want Silver to challenge him sometime in the future anyway? If Giovanni is still a cold hearted criminal, why does he not shoot Silver? What was the point of the FRLG chapter?
    Giovanni loves his son and is proud of him for being strong and wants him to be stronger, even if he stands against him. It's a win/win situation for him: if his crimes succeed, they succeed, but if they're thwarted by Silver, he feels good anyway because it's Silver doing it. It's certainly a weird father-son relationship, but it makes perfect sense to me.

    As for Pryce, he's repented now and has alot to offer Silver. Giovanni isn't going to let an old grudge get in the way of pragmaticism, that's how he's always been.
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    I think Giovanni will quit Team Rocket again by BW2 and go back to being a gym leader in time for the PWT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macromind101 View Post
    I think Giovanni will quit Team Rocket again by BW2 and go back to being a gym leader in time for the PWT.
    I don't really see that happening. He may visit the PWT to see the battle. Silver will be there participating for sure and his nr 1 enemy; Red. A villain as badass as Giovanni wouldn't quit team rocket off-screen and Green is the current Gym leader of Viridian and I don't think he will give up that position for an 'ex' criminal, who tried to kill him and his friends a few times. Nor do I think that the Pokemon association would accept Giovanni.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamingflower View Post
    I don't really see that happening. He may visit the PWT to see the battle. Silver will be there participating for sure and his nr 1 enemy; Red. A villain as badass as Giovanni wouldn't quit team rocket off-screen and Green is the current Gym leader of Viridian and I don't think he will give up that position for an 'ex' criminal, who tried to kill him and his friends a few times. Nor do I think that the Pokemon association would accept Giovanni.
    Well Giovanni seems to have gotten his position back in the games so Kusaka would probably find a way to have Blue relinquish his position to Giovanni somehow. I'm not sure if Silver would be participating but I think Red and Blue will be participating in the champions section for sure. And remember that the Pokemon association accepted Lt. Surge and Sabrina due to the lack of evidence despite Erika's attempts to testify against them. I think it will be the same case as Giovanni since other than other Rocket members and the Dexholders, there's really no evidence as I can see. Same thing will probably apply for Pryce as well; if the Dexholders keep their mouths shut, then he can get Mahogany gym running again and be able to participate in PWT with the other Johto gym leaders. Also, I'm sure that the Kanto Dexholders did gain a tiny bit of respect for Giovanni when they saw that his whole plan in FRLG was to find Silver again. That respect may be enough for them to not testify against him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AgentPierce View Post
    You just answered your own question. Giovanni only was going to leave crime because he was dying and wanted to spend the end of his life in peace with his son. But now Celebi has cured him; he's not dying anymore. So the temptation to return to being the leader of Team Rocket, which is something he has always sincerely believed in, is too great for him.
    That would make sense, but didn't Sakaki leave Silver to go search for a cure? So, he couldn't have been looking for peace with his son. This then brings up more questions. Why didn't he go searching for the cure before finding Silver? Did he need to see Silver alive before he bothered? Did he need to see if Silver was willing to take over if he did die (and if not, get cured)? Did he not know about the Celebi + cure until after he met Silver? Was he so close to death that some how he thought he was going to die before he ever found a cure/his son? Sakaki and the disease brings up too many questions that aren't answered or implied before adding Celebi curing the disease.

    It's like a buffet of choices. I have a feeling it's supposed to be that Sakaki wanted to both see Silver agan and see if he was willing to become his heir. If so, then he can die knowing TR is passed down. If not, then it's time to find a cure!

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    As for Pryce, he's repented now and has alot to offer Silver. Giovanni isn't going to let an old grudge get in the way of pragmaticism, that's how he's always been.
    The problem with Yanagi/Pryce is that exactly how does anyone know he's repented? Back in GSC, it was showed he could act very normal despite being on the crazy side. Was it shown that Yanagi had apologized and was regretful for what he did both in the voids of time and when he got out? When exactly did he win Sakaki's trust? It would of been nice to have a scene to establish Yanagi's character because for all we know he could of been pretending to repent so he could get out.

    Of course, there's the possibility that Sakaki didn't care if Yanagi repented and secretly wanted Silver to defeat Yanagi himself and send the old man closer to his grave. I don't completely believe Sakaki is over his grudge just yet. After all, why not have Silver learn and get stronger and then get his revenge later? Heh.
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    The summary of the last chapter was a lot to take in. Giant info rush. The arc did feel rushed, but I'm actually ok with it. I am a bit annoyed that Celebii is here to save the plot again. Wish the mangaka would think of something a bit different this time. However, since this arc takes place in Johto, I can somewhat let it slide. I think Gold was smacked because he said something about Crystal's clothes. Part of me is sad to see Giovanni going back to taking over Team Rocket, but I shouldn't be too surprised.

    Even though the BW2 manga hasn't started yet, I can't wait to see PWT. I wonder how the mangaka will deal with the fact that Red and Green will be at least in their 20s by the time of BW2. As much as I would love to see all the old characters reunite in BW2, I can't see it because there will be too many characters to keep track of along with the gym leaders and champions. How will Kusaka explain why Green is now considered the champion when he's supposed to be Veridian's gym leader? Lots of questions to be answered.

    Does anyone know how far the BW arc is right now? The furthest I got to was where Black defeated Clay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KumaPanda View Post
    Even though the BW2 manga hasn't started yet, I can't wait to see PWT. I wonder how the mangaka will deal with the fact that Red and Green will be at least in their 20s by the time of BW2. As much as I would love to see all the old characters reunite in BW2, I can't see it because there will be too many characters to keep track of along with the gym leaders and champions. How will Kusaka explain why Green is now considered the champion when he's supposed to be Veridian's gym leader? Lots of questions to be answered.
    There's no reason they can't give them all a cameo in an altogether panel. I'd like to see the Kanto leaders in their new designs... esp. Sabrina with her hair (though I'm guessing she'll make her appearance at Pokéstars studios)

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    Quote Originally Posted by KumaPanda View Post
    The summary of the last chapter was a lot to take in. Giant info rush. The arc did feel rushed, but I'm actually ok with it. I am a bit annoyed that Celebii is here to save the plot again. Wish the mangaka would think of something a bit different this time. However, since this arc takes place in Johto, I can somewhat let it slide. I think Gold was smacked because he said something about Crystal's clothes. Part of me is sad to see Giovanni going back to taking over Team Rocket, but I shouldn't be too surprised.

    Even though the BW2 manga hasn't started yet, I can't wait to see PWT. I wonder how the mangaka will deal with the fact that Red and Green will be at least in their 20s by the time of BW2. As much as I would love to see all the old characters reunite in BW2, I can't see it because there will be too many characters to keep track of along with the gym leaders and champions. How will Kusaka explain why Green is now considered the champion when he's supposed to be Veridian's gym leader? Lots of questions to be answered.

    Does anyone know how far the BW arc is right now? The furthest I got to was where Black defeated Clay.
    It does not need to explain, since Red deemed the champion in FRLF (although only league winners not league champion.)

    And I really hope all dex holders can reunite in B2W2.


    Quote Originally Posted by KumaPanda View Post
    And we will get Red, Green, Blue 24+, Yellow 22+, Gold, Silver, Crys 21+, Ruby, Sapphire 20+, and Emerald 19+ "at least" in B2W2 (due I speculated Pt and BW will have at least two years interval).

    Sinnoh dex holders' age will be closest to Unova dex holders'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by e9310103838 View Post
    It does not need to explain, since Red deemed the champion in FRLF (although only league winners not league champion.)

    And I really hope all dex holders can reunite in B2W2.
    He is considered the champion. Giovanni even called him champion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coronis View Post
    8) Giovanni (after revealing that although his aim was to find Silver, he couldn't deny some of his greed as TR's boss as well), decides to continue running Team Rocket. He offers to let Silver join, but Silver decides to continue to mission to disband Team Rocket with his own hands. Giovanni accepts this, and wants him to become stronger under Lance and Pryce, his two former teachers, and come back to challenge him some day.

    9) Indeed, Lance was defeated by Petrel because he was temporarily fazed by him disguising as Yellow, the trainer who shared his hometown and his powers.
    8) So does this mean that we get to see the end of Team Rocket someday? Will Silver become the one to ultimately put a stop to Giovanni as implied? Then what about Red, Giovanni's archenemy(well he's kind of one.)? Will the two of them fight together(which would be epic)? I know there's no point of speculating at this point since even if Silver actually does battle Giovanni it's probably going to happen in the FAR future but I just can't stop wondering!

    9) The more I think about this the more it becomes hilarious. Poor Lance, his battle with Yellow must've traumatized him really badly(after all, who can blame him?). I hope Lance gets to meet the real Yellow again someday though(although hopes are VERY low). Red met Giovanni again in the FRLG chapter and Gold, Silver & Crys met up with Pryce in vol 43 so I don't see why Yellow shouldn't meet him again. It would be really awesome if they ever decided to cooperate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AgentPierce View Post
    Giovanni loves his son and is proud of him for being strong and wants him to be stronger, even if he stands against him. It's a win/win situation for him: if his crimes succeed, they succeed, but if they're thwarted by Silver, he feels good anyway because it's Silver doing it. It's certainly a weird father-son relationship, but it makes perfect sense to me.

    As for Pryce, he's repented now and has alot to offer Silver. Giovanni isn't going to let an old grudge get in the way of pragmaticism, that's how he's always been.
    The weird father-son relationship still does not sense in the way you describe it. A real criminal boss would be very concerned about what his child was doing to disrupt his plans. The entirety of Team Rocket's agenda could be at stake.

    Giovanni tried to kill Pryce earlier. If he really does care about Silver, he would still try to get justice.

    I love repentance, but actions still have consequences. Pryce should still go to jail for his multiple acts of terrorism and Giovanni should still have resentment toward him. Pragmatism should have nothing to do with Giovanni's decision here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trutown View Post
    The weird father-son relationship still does not sense in the way you describe it. A real criminal boss would be very concerned about what his child was doing to disrupt his plans. The entirety of Team Rocket's agenda could be at stake.

    Giovanni tried to kill Pryce earlier. If he really does care about Silver, he would still try to get justice.

    I love repentance, but actions still have consequences. Pryce should still go to jail for his multiple acts of terrorism and Giovanni should still have resentment toward him. Pragmatism should have nothing to do with Giovanni's decision here.
    Their father-son relationship does make sense in ways though.
    At this point, Giovanni will still run Team Rocket and probably won't quit until the day his son defeats him. And it looks like it really does have to be Silver to bring down Team Rocket. Giovanni himself said that he's looking forward to battling his son.

    Also, killing Pryce is a stupid way of going about revenge. That's not justice, that's just stupid. If Giovanni had killed Pryce earlier, then they probably won't have been able to defeat Dialga, Palkia and Giratina. Though you are right, Pryce is probably due for some jail time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trutown View Post
    The weird father-son relationship still does not sense in the way you describe it. A real criminal boss would be very concerned about what his child was doing to disrupt his plans. The entirety of Team Rocket's agenda could be at stake.

    Giovanni tried to kill Pryce earlier. If he really does care about Silver, he would still try to get justice.

    I love repentance, but actions still have consequences. Pryce should still go to jail for his multiple acts of terrorism and Giovanni should still have resentment toward him. Pragmatism should have nothing to do with Giovanni's decision here.
    Yeah but remember that it looks like the Pokemon Association seem to be complete dumba**es. If there's no evidence (and apparently witnesses and testimonies don't count as evidence) then the person is innocent. Look at how Lt. Surge and Sabrina got off scotch-free besides Erika's testimony. And take note that no one really knows that Giovanni is/was the boss of Team Rocket besides Dexholders and grunts. If the Dexholders don't testify against him (and even if they do, in the Pokemon world it's still not guaranteed to work) because Silver didn't want them to or whatever then Giovanni is innocent. Same with Pryce. I think only the Kanto and Johto Dexholders knew that Pryce was behind the mask (I'm not even sure if the other kidnapped children know who their captor was) so if they don't testify, and again even if they do it's still not guaranteed to work, then Pryce will probably be set free. I mean, Mahogany gym does need a leader, right? Also, since Giovanni and Pryce helped stop the menace in HGSS, that may also help them earn forgiveness from the public, as well as give the Dexholders reason to not try to put them in jail. Lt. Surge and Sabrina helped defeat the Elite Four so Giovanni and Pryce may get forgiveness by doing service for the good the way I see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macromind101 View Post
    Yeah but remember that it looks like the Pokemon Association seem to be complete dumba**es. If there's no evidence (and apparently witnesses and testimonies don't count as evidence) then the person is innocent. Look at how Lt. Surge and Sabrina got off scotch-free besides Erika's testimony. And take note that no one really knows that Giovanni is/was the boss of Team Rocket besides Dexholders and grunts. If the Dexholders don't testify against him (and even if they do, in the Pokemon world it's still not guaranteed to work) because Silver didn't want them to or whatever then Giovanni is innocent. Same with Pryce. I think only the Kanto and Johto Dexholders knew that Pryce was behind the mask (I'm not even sure if the other kidnapped children know who their captor was) so if they don't testify, and again even if they do it's still not guaranteed to work, then Pryce will probably be set free. I mean, Mahogany gym does need a leader, right? Also, since Giovanni and Pryce helped stop the menace in HGSS, that may also help them earn forgiveness from the public, as well as give the Dexholders reason to not try to put them in jail. Lt. Surge and Sabrina helped defeat the Elite Four so Giovanni and Pryce may get forgiveness by doing service for the good the way I see it.
    But dude, the Johto Gymleaders and I think the Kanto Gymleaders know about Pryce already. :U You don't remember? It was Whitney that pointed out that Pryce's cane tapping was a way of controlling pokemon.
    In all honesty, I have no idea how they haven't been caught at all, but you are right that not very many people knew about Giovanni's involvement with Team Rocket.
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