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    Default Most Badly Written Event EVER (That is not "The Horn!" or Thunder Armor) *SPOILERS*

    I don't really consider "The Horn" a DEM, but I know many others do.

    Other than Thunder Armor and "The Horn", what's the worst DEM to you (be it a Pokemon, match, etc.)? For me, it's a tie between Trip vs Ash (all), May's baby Squirtle, Tobias's Darkrai vs Torkoal to an extent (Torkoal can take on Registeel but gets beat in one hit by Darkrai? Come on now.), and Skitty vs Dusclops.

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    May in general
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    I'm not so sure about the last two (at least compared to other crap in this series), but I agree on the first one.

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    Nothing has or (hopefully) ever will offend me as much as Thunder Armor.

    I guess if I had to pick something ... Pikachu VS Nosepass in Hoenn was pretty terribly written.

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    I was never bothered by "the horn or any of those moves so much as some others were. Atleast Ash came up with those tactics himself even though they were alittle weird. It showed us that he was a clever thinker when times got tough.

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    Definetly the "Pokémon tears can resurrect the dead" crap in M01. No, the legend the lady speaks of about tears restoring the world WASN'T in the original version. So it came completely out of nowhere. I don't care if they can breath fire or create worlds, POKÉMON ARE NOT JESUS.

    Quote Originally Posted by Caseydia View Post
    I was never bothered by "the horn or any of those moves so much as some others were. Atleast Ash came up with those tactics himself even though they were alittle weird. It showed us that he was a clever thinker when times got tough.
    When Rhyhorn can be hurt by Thunderbolt in the games, then I'll take that "clever-thinking" statement of yours seriously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spin Attaxx View Post
    Definetly the "Pokémon tears can resurrect the dead" crap in M01. No, the legend the lady speaks of about tears restoring the world WASN'T in the original version. So it came completely out of nowhere. I don't care if they can breath fire or create worlds, POKÉMON ARE NOT JESUS.



    When Rhyhorn can be hurt by Thunderbolt in the games, then I'll take that "clever-thinking" statement of yours seriously.
    It's probably because anime and the games are different. Even you can figure that out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caseydia View Post
    It's probably because anime and the games are different. Even you can figure that out.
    That's not a valid excuse for Pikachu being able to hurt Ground types. Especially when the animé seems to say that Ground types are immune to Electric types nowadays.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spin Attaxx View Post
    When Rhyhorn can be hurt by Thunderbolt in the games, then I'll take that "clever-thinking" statement of yours seriously.
    There is a lot of stuff the anime has that the games don't. Iris is one of them.

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    Cameron not being disqualified after he reveals he only brought 5 Pokemon to a full battle. And then his Rilou evolving into Lucario.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AgentPierce View Post
    Cameron not being disqualified after he reveals he only brought 5 Pokemon to a full battle. And then his Rilou evolving into Lucario.
    That's another one I was going to list, but for some reason, forgot. I know he was fighting with a handicap, but aren't league rules supposed to be strict? What makes this even worse is that he STILL ended up winning...this was arguably worse than Tobias.

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    Ash's Piikachu and May are deus ex machinas created by the writers to get them out of actually having to write decent stories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angel~ View Post
    Ash's Piikachu and May are deus ex machinas created by the writers to get them out of actually having to write decent stories.
    What? How so?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pokemaniac24 View Post
    What? How so?
    I'm not Angel~, but:

    #1: Thunder Armor (though I excluded it as an option)
    #2: Look at May's contest matches (Skitty vs Dusclops, anything involving Squirtle, etc.)
    #3: Electric attacks hit ground types.

    I think that's what she meant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marioluigifan05 View Post
    I'm not Angel~, but:

    #1: Thunder Armor (though I excluded it as an option)
    #2: Look at May's contest matches (Skitty vs Dusclops, anything involving Squirtle, etc.)
    #3: Electric attacks hit ground types.
    Oh, I see. I thought she was trying to say that because Pikachu and May are on the anime, the anime could get away with writing not so good stories but yeah, if we are talking about their roles in battles and contests, I could see what she means even though I haven't seen AG in awhile.

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    I honestly couldn't care less, what the worst DEM was, since that entire subject is completely subjective, and biased, nothing really annoys me in terms of "DEM"

    I'm only annoyed by the layout of a battle, not some minor situation that results in a win for someone.

    But fine if I had to choose one, nothing is more inexcusable than Pikachu vs Serperior in the league.

    Pikachu should've been knocked out, and was knocked out, but Ash's words somehow brought it back into the battle.

    I don't have a problem with Ash beating Serperior with Pikachu, but that entire battle badly written on both sides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pokemaniac24 View Post
    What? How so?
    Just ignore her, she doesn't watch the episodes. Obviously a few of May's wins were very cheap, but far from all of them. And same could be said about any of Misty's with Psyduck (obviously), and a few of Dawn's against Ursula.

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    Half of Charizard's victories, especially his victory over Articuno. Cameron's victories. Cyndaquil's victories in Johto. Oh, and of course the whole Thunder Armor thing.

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    I totally agree that the "thunder armor" DEM was atrocious and offensive. I really can't believe they did that....for crying out loud find ANY other way (ok perhaps not "any" lol) for pikachu and swellow to win! And because it annoys me so much, I will explain it for those of you who may be confused at what we are talking about- in ash's battle against tate and liza with his pikachu and swellow, he had pikachu summon a thunder from the sky to hit itself and swellow (that's not the crazy part btw), and that gave itself, and more crazily swellow, a golden coating on their bodies that made them more powerful and stuff, instead of doing damage (particularly to swellow).

    And while I'm at it, "the horn" is when in ash's battle against blaine a thunderbolt from pikachu aimed at rhydon's horn allowed it to very powerfully effect the GROUND type rhydon and defeat it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pikafleg View Post
    I totally agree that the "thunder armor" DEM was atrocious and offensive. I really can't believe they did that....for crying out loud find ANY other way (ok perhaps not "any" lol) for pikachu and swellow to win! And because it annoys me so much, I will explain it for those of you who may be confused at what we are talking about- in ash's battle against tate and liza with his pikachu and swellow, he had pikachu summon a thunder from the sky to hit itself and swellow (that's not the crazy part btw), and that gave itself, and more crazily swellow, a golden coating on their bodies that made them more powerful and stuff, instead of doing damage (particularly to swellow).

    And while I'm at it, "the horn" is when in ash's battle against blaine a thunderbolt from pikachu aimed at rhydon's horn allowed it to very powerfully effect the GROUND type rhydon and defeat it.
    Guts was treated differently back then and we knew from the very beginning that Swellow can tank electric attacks, even as a Taillow. Thunder Armor makes sense because Swellow has guts, plain and simple. While the gold coloring was over the top, the actual concept of Thunder Armor has justification.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1rkhachatryan View Post
    Guts was treated differently back then and we knew from the very beginning that Swellow can tank electric attacks, even as a Taillow. Thunder Armor makes sense because Swellow has guts, plain and simple. While the gold coloring was over the top, the actual concept of Thunder Armor has justification.
    Why they didn't just use Wattson's gym to show off Guts then? Not only would it have made more sense, but it might have been more believable, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marioluigifan05 View Post
    Why they didn't just use Wattson's gym to show off Guts then? Not only would it have made more sense, but it might have been more believable, too.
    Cuz Pikachu needed more DEM wins, duh.
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    ._. I found Thunder Armor cool.

    I don't really think there are any big DEMs in Pokemon...it's not like it has a strong plot. ^^; I'm trying to think in some movies but I'm drawing blank.
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    At least psyduck was consistent. It only worked if something hurt its head. Even if confusion was stupidly OP.

    Besides mamoswine was used in 2/3s of the battles vs ursula, one was a DEM on the other end due to electric working vs ground and the second involved a barrage of attacks not unlike what swellow takes on a regular basis, is a mammmoth supposed to have less endurance than a bird?! now to think about it Swellow is a DEM. The third wasn't even a knockout.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pokemonsquared View Post
    At least psyduck was consistent. It only worked if something hurt its head. Even if confusion was stupidly OP.
    The problem is Psyduck was used to cheapen out whenever Misty needed a win, like against Lickitung to win the Princess Festival or against Ash in the Whirl Cup.

    Psyduck was used to almost make Misty's battle skills look incompetent until she got a headache to get a win for her. Now if Misty was ever able to control Psyduck's powers that would have been a different story, but it just happened randomly.

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