Worst Deus Ex Machina EVER (That is not "The Horn!" or Thunder Armor) *SPOILERS*

[marioluigifan05]

I don't really consider "The Horn" a DEM, but I know many others do.

Other than Thunder Armor and "The Horn", what's the worst DEM to you (be it a Pokemon, match, etc.)? For me, it's a tie between Trip vs Ash (all), May's baby Squirtle, Tobias's Darkrai vs Torkoal to an extent (Torkoal can take on Registeel but gets beat in one hit by Darkrai? Come on now.), and Skitty vs Dusclops.

~mlfan05

[pokemonsquared]

May in general
Starter boost abilities
oshawott scalchop

[marioluigifan05]

I'm not so sure about the last two (at least compared to other crap in this series), but I agree on the first one.

[An00bis]

Nothing has or (hopefully) ever will offend me as much as Thunder Armor.

I guess if I had to pick something ... Pikachu VS Nosepass in Hoenn was pretty terribly written.

[Caseydia]

I was never bothered by "the horn or any of those moves so much as some others were. Atleast Ash came up with those tactics himself even though they were alittle weird. It showed us that he was a clever thinker when times got tough.

[Spin Attaxx]

Definetly the "Pokémon tears can resurrect the dead" crap in M01. No, the legend the lady speaks of about tears restoring the world WASN'T in the original version. So it came completely out of nowhere. I don't care if they can breath fire or create worlds, POKÉMON ARE NOT JESUS.

I was never bothered by "the horn or any of those moves so much as some others were. Atleast Ash came up with those tactics himself even though they were alittle weird. It showed us that he was a clever thinker when times got tough.

When Rhyhorn can be hurt by Thunderbolt in the games, then I'll take that "clever-thinking" statement of yours seriously.

[AgentPierce]

Cameron not being disqualified after he reveals he only brought 5 Pokemon to a full battle. And then his Rilou evolving into Lucario.

[Angel~]

Ash's Piikachu and May are deus ex machinas created by the writers to get them out of actually having to write decent stories.

[marioluigifan05]

Cameron not being disqualified after he reveals he only brought 5 Pokemon to a full battle. And then his Rilou evolving into Lucario.

That's another one I was going to list, but for some reason, forgot. I know he was fighting with a handicap, but aren't league rules supposed to be strict? What makes this even worse is that he STILL ended up winning...this was arguably worse than Tobias.

[Pokemaniac24]

Ash's Piikachu and May are deus ex machinas created by the writers to get them out of actually having to write decent stories.

What? How so?

[marioluigifan05]

What? How so?

I'm not Angel~, but:

#1: Thunder Armor (though I excluded it as an option)
#2: Look at May's contest matches (Skitty vs Dusclops, anything involving Squirtle, etc.)
#3: Electric attacks hit ground types.

I think that's what she meant.

[Ciccone]

Half of Charizard's victories, especially his victory over Articuno. Cameron's victories. Cyndaquil's victories in Johto. Oh, and of course the whole Thunder Armor thing.

[Pokemaniac24]

I'm not Angel~, but:

#1: Thunder Armor (though I excluded it as an option)
#2: Look at May's contest matches (Skitty vs Dusclops, anything involving Squirtle, etc.)
#3: Electric attacks hit ground types.

Oh, I see. I thought she was trying to say that because Pikachu and May are on the anime, the anime could get away with writing not so good stories but yeah, if we are talking about their roles in battles and contests, I could see what she means even though I haven't seen AG in awhile.

[dman_dustin]

I honestly couldn't care less, what the worst DEM was, since that entire subject is completely subjective, and biased, nothing really annoys me in terms of "DEM"

I'm only annoyed by the layout of a battle, not some minor situation that results in a win for someone.

But fine if I had to choose one, nothing is more inexcusable than Pikachu vs Serperior in the league.

Pikachu should've been knocked out, and was knocked out, but Ash's words somehow brought it back into the battle.

I don't have a problem with Ash beating Serperior with Pikachu, but that entire battle badly written on both sides.

[1rkhachatryan]

I honestly couldn't care less, what the worst DEM was, since that entire subject is completely subjective, and biased, nothing really annoys me in terms of "DEM"

I'm only annoyed by the layout of a battle, not some minor situation that results in a win for someone.

But fine if I had to choose one, nothing is more inexcusable than Pikachu vs Serperior in the league.

Pikachu should've been knocked out, and was knocked out, but Ash's words somehow brought it back into the battle.

I don't have a problem with Ash beating Serperior with Pikachu, but that entire battle badly written on both sides.

This, we should of been watching Pikachu's funeral the next episode lol. I mean the thing was literally strangled to death and then 1 hit KO'd his opponent -_-....

[Pikafleg]

I totally agree that the "thunder armor" DEM was atrocious and offensive. I really can't believe they did that....for crying out loud find ANY other way (ok perhaps not "any" lol) for pikachu and swellow to win! And because it annoys me so much, I will explain it for those of you who may be confused at what we are talking about- in ash's battle against tate and liza with his pikachu and swellow, he had pikachu summon a thunder from the sky to hit itself and swellow (that's not the crazy part btw), and that gave itself, and more crazily swellow, a golden coating on their bodies that made them more powerful and stuff, instead of doing damage (particularly to swellow).

And while I'm at it, "the horn" is when in ash's battle against blaine a thunderbolt from pikachu aimed at rhydon's horn allowed it to very powerfully effect the GROUND type rhydon and defeat it.

[1rkhachatryan]

I totally agree that the "thunder armor" DEM was atrocious and offensive. I really can't believe they did that....for crying out loud find ANY other way (ok perhaps not "any" lol) for pikachu and swellow to win! And because it annoys me so much, I will explain it for those of you who may be confused at what we are talking about- in ash's battle against tate and liza with his pikachu and swellow, he had pikachu summon a thunder from the sky to hit itself and swellow (that's not the crazy part btw), and that gave itself, and more crazily swellow, a golden coating on their bodies that made them more powerful and stuff, instead of doing damage (particularly to swellow).

And while I'm at it, "the horn" is when in ash's battle against blaine a thunderbolt from pikachu aimed at rhydon's horn allowed it to very powerfully effect the GROUND type rhydon and defeat it.

Guts was treated differently back then and we knew from the very beginning that Swellow can tank electric attacks, even as a Taillow. Thunder Armor makes sense because Swellow has guts, plain and simple. While the gold coloring was over the top, the actual concept of Thunder Armor has justification.

[marioluigifan05]

Guts was treated differently back then and we knew from the very beginning that Swellow can tank electric attacks, even as a Taillow. Thunder Armor makes sense because Swellow has guts, plain and simple. While the gold coloring was over the top, the actual concept of Thunder Armor has justification.

Why they didn't just use Wattson's gym to show off Guts then? Not only would it have made more sense, but it might have been more believable, too.

[1rkhachatryan]

Why they didn't just use Wattson's gym to show off Guts then? Not only would it have made more sense, but it might have been more believable, too.

Cuz Pikachu needed more DEM wins, duh.

[00poke_maniac]

._. I found Thunder Armor cool.

I don't really think there are any big DEMs in Pokemon...it's not like it has a strong plot. ^^; I'm trying to think in some movies but I'm drawing blank.