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    Quote Originally Posted by Doryuzu View Post
    I love(d) the little guy to death, but man. Why are the writers making him into a mixture of Cabernet and Pochama? :/
    He doesn´t need to evolve, his battle record is not so different from Squirtle or Totodile, even Buizel had its losing streak, the only decent water-type in the main team Ash ever had is Corphish, Oshawott just needs more battles, he will end up winning eventually, and if he learns another attack to ditch Tackle, it will be better.

    Quote Originally Posted by dman_dustin View Post
    Just because I don't want to see it anymore, doesn't mean the writers aren't going to shove it down my throat.

    And honestly who the hell would have any right to complain if Oshawott beat Herdier, it was doing pretty good until the last minute.

    I at least have a genuine reason to dislike Oshawott and what the writers have turned it into. One boring joke that makes money (somehow).

    But whatever, opinions, opinions, opinions.
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    Also why didn't Cilan use Stunfisk in this episode? He saw a girl was researching it on the computer and then to get a bunch of Water/Flying types in a pool, he chooses a Grass type to go and swim instead of his Ground/Electric type that is native to water shock them... I'm certain Cheren would have forgiven him is he used a move on them to bring them back.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Squirtle_007 View Post
    He doesn´t need to evolve, his battle record is not so different from Squirtle or Totodile, even Buizel had its losing streak, the only decent water-type in the main team Ash ever had is Corphish, Oshawott just needs more battles, he will end up winning eventually, and if he learns another attack to ditch Tackle, it will be better.
    Hopefully he gets some battles and wins in the future.

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    I think it was OHKO. The writers really need to devote more time to battles because this battle was so rushed.

    And everyone thought Cilan will show his Stunfisk. People even thought he was talking to that kid. Ha!
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    Ooh, I really like this episode! I mostly enjoyed all of it, actually only if Oshawott had won being the last part.

    I like the Aspertia gym, pretty similar to the games with the trainer's school in front but too bad we didn't get to see any of Aspertia City. :/
    Cheren's introduction was nice, he seems to be a pretty caring person towards both the children and Pokemon. :O

    Lol, its funny how Cilan talked a lot this episode about being a gym leader I'd guess. Its nice they had a look around the trainer's school but Axew got lost, its like he leads Pikachu to trouble as he did last episode and now here. Also, both Pikachu and Axew got in trouble.
    Haha, I like the search for the missing Pokemon! Ash, Iris and Cilan, all three of them were funny. Wow, its great to see Sunflora and Shinx again.

    So they skip through the whole thing and went right into the gym battle, by that I mean the scenes of them walking to the battle field. XD Hmm... Well yeah, the gym battle was good its nice to see Ash's Oshawott using his a scalchop to his advantage against Cheren's Herdier but again, too bad he lost. Still a fun and funny gym battle though. :P

    So right after the gym battle Ash and co. Say their good byes! So yeah, overall pretty good episode! In my opinion of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dman_dustin View Post
    a genuine reason to dislike Oshawott and what the writers have turned it into. One boring joke that makes money (somehow).
    Thats the thing................a made up fictional character cant really be merchandisable if it doesnt have some form of awesome. And Oshawott, whilst I dont doubt it sells stuff isnt really packing any awesome right now.

    I cant remember a Pokemon belonging to Ash in the shows history that loses quality both on-screen AND off-screen!
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    So Oshawott's lack of focus did lead to his own downfall well that sucked for Ash. It's good that Cheren won but Ash really benefit from losing especially after coming off from another league loss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dax View Post
    Oshawott is a great little otter and I adore him but I concur, he's one of the weakest pokemon Ash has had. There's no arguing against his need of training and strength.
    And a sucky pokemon. Conclusion: Ash should've brought Buizel with him from Sinnoh, and never should've gotten Oshawott.

    Quote Originally Posted by JD View Post
    At this point I think even Totodile is stronger than him. Anyway, I'm curious did Cheren mention or reference Bianca in this episode?
    Fixed that for you.. Torkoal got gym and league wins, and did okay vs. Registeel. In comparison, Oshawott pooped his pants when facing a Dewott.. -.-

    Even Totodile is better at this point, with canon wins over a Kingdra, Charizard and a league win vs. Harrison's Sneasel. And don't tell me they don't count, because if you can't take those seriously, there's no way in heck that you could be able to take Oshawott's victories seriously as well, aside from Clay's Krokorok. Vs. Pansage required magical ricochet Water Gun to retreive the scalchop, and vs. Watchog was a tie based on the luck of Aqua Jet hitting it on accident. Aside from these three, it has lost every battle it was in, CANON. Hence, even Totodile is better, and in fact the only one that may have a less impressive resumé would be Muk, who only has a single win to it's name whatsoever...

    Quote Originally Posted by d4rk_tailed View Post
    Thats the thing................a made up fictional character cant really be merchandisable if it doesnt have some form of awesome. And Oshawott, whilst I dont doubt it sells stuff isnt really packing any awesome right now.

    I cant remember a Pokemon belonging to Ash in the shows history that loses quality both on-screen AND off-screen!
    Isn't it obvious they replaced the 'awesome' with the 'obnoxious'?

    Tell me, what do you think the sales of Johto starters plushes look like nowadays, compared to back in the day?
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    Lol Oshawott is a failed mashup of Piplup and Burgundy. Honestly, Oshawott losing is not surprising to me at all, totally called it.

    Even Piplup sells better merchandise, Ash should've gotten a Piplup or Dawn should've came to Unova so Osha could actually evolve -_-

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Taidow_ View Post
    Also why didn't Cilan use Stunfisk in this episode? He saw a girl was researching it on the computer and then to get a bunch of Water/Flying types in a pool, he chooses a Grass type to go and swim instead of his Ground/Electric type that is native to water shock them... I'm certain Cheren would have forgiven him is he used a move on them to bring them back.
    Probably because Stunfisk is weak to water. Plus it can't move nearly as well as Pansage and we saw what happened to it.

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    You'd think Ash would've have trained Oshawott not to cower behind his scallop after all this time. Oh well.

    Also this.

    Herdier ... wut?

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    Quote Originally Posted by An00bis View Post
    You'd think Ash would've have trained Oshawott not to cower behind his scallop after all this time. Oh well.

    Also this.

    Herdier ... wut?
    It's not so much that Oshawott desperately needs it to battle, but he seems to be OCD about it falling off and that's his weakness. It's a running gag. Kinda like how Krookodile (as a Sandile and Krokorok) would become timid and frantic after losing it's sunglasses. Though that running gag seems to have been dropped ever since it's evolution.

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    Oshawott is weak? Lol. He only lost because he cares for his Scalchop and it was a move he was weak to.

    So, not winning a battle in a long time even though he's hardly has one in a long time = Oshawott being the weakest Pokemon? Uh...no. And, I'm not being bias, because I would say the same for Snivy, even though I don't really care for her lately, or any of Ash's Pokemon.

    Also, there could be some good reasons to him losing, like making Cheren look good, a new Gym Leader.

    Ya'll seriously need to calm to stop being so melodramatic.

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    What a crap, seriously.
    First, Shinx was completely random, just to electrify Cheren, the professor, in front of some students.
    Second, no one of our speculations has been showed off : Stunfisk hasn't appear, Shinx and Ducklett were not important...
    Finally, Oshawott is loosing to Cheren. Seriously, that was the worst battle ever. Oshawott was deserving this battle, than he lost. Instead of giving a good fight, it was an absolute joke. How can writers can be that awful ? He lost bravely to a Hydreigon, but against a simple Herdier, come on. Oshawott, you're doomed for life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by playerking View Post
    Oshawott is weak? Lol. He only lost because he cares for his Scalchop and it was a move he was weak to.

    So, not winning a battle in a long time even though he's hardly has one in a long time = Oshawott being the weakest Pokemon? Uh...no. And, I'm not being bias, because I would say the same for Snivy, even though I don't really care for her lately, or any of Ash's Pokemon.

    Also, there could be some good reasons to him losing, like making Cheren look good, a new Gym Leader.

    Ya'll seriously need to calm to stop being so melodramatic.
    But you are being biased. You love making excuses for him. Just because you like the pokemon doesn't mean that it's strong. I sort of like Unfezant but I would never say she's strong but she she's borderline mediocre. He can't defeat opponents and he gets defeated quickly. He's a laughing stock and he's weak. It's time to accept it. Oshawott, like most of Best Wishes, is extremely flawed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dax View Post
    But you are being biased. You love making excuses for him. Just because you like the pokemon doesn't mean that it's strong. I sort of like Unfezant but I would never say she's strong but she she's borderline mediocre. He can't defeat opponents and he gets defeated quickly. He's a laughing stock and he's weak. It's time to accept it. Oshawott, like most of Best Wishes, is extremely flawed.
    I think you're the bias one. There is notthing wrong with flaws, Best Wishes isn't perfect .Oshawott isn't a laughing stock, there's nothing wrong with losing. We can't always win everything, that's life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hero of Ideals View Post
    I think you're the bias one. There is notthing wrong with flaws, Best Wishes isn't perfect .Oshawott isn't a laughing stock, there's nothing wrong with losing. We can't always win everything, that's life.
    Right, right. No matter how much you try defend Oshawott, it's a joke of a Pokemon now. When it was actually showing some kind of progress earlier on in the series. It's now the butt-monkey of Ash's team. Please take off your rose-tinted glasses, and look at the Pokemon for what it is.

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    My faith in the writers has been restored somewhat. They didn't disgrace cheren

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graham Aker View Post
    Right, right. No matter how much you try defend Oshawott, it's a joke of a Pokemon now. When it was actually showing some kind of progress earlier on in the series. It's now the butt-monkey of Ash's team. Please take off your rose-tinted glasses, and look at the Pokemon for what it is.
    Considering I don't wear glasses right now, I really don't need to see Pokemon for what it is. I take the good with the bad and enjoy the series and not expect too much out of a kids show, and bashing it becuase Ash's Pokemon aren't what people want them to.

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    So Oshawott lost, can't say I'm surprised, seeing as they've done nothing with him (despite all the screentime he got).

    Quote Originally Posted by Hero of Ideals View Post
    Considering I don't wear glasses right now, I really don't need to see Pokemon for what it is. I take the good with the bad and enjoy the series and not expect too much out of a kids show, and bashing it becuase Ash's Pokemon aren't what people want them to.
    It's a figure of speech.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marioluigifan05 View Post
    It's a figure of speech.
    Exact. From a dictionary:

    rose-colored glasses > if someone thinks about or looks at something with rose-colored glasses, they think it is more pleasant than it really is

    Basically, one looks through rose-colored glasses when he/she observes something superficially and refuses to look deeper into a matter or to acknowledge some details.

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    I'm glad that Cheren appeared in the anime, but I expected a bit more to be honest. It seemed more that he was put there just for fanservice, kinda like with Marlon.

    The battle was terribly rushed and... Oshawott lost? Can't say I didn't expect that, but I would have preferred a tie. At least by tying no one would have appeared better than the other: Cheren could have shown to be capable and Oshawott could have demonstrated to not be a pathetic joke.

    A part of those things, I think that the episode was rather good. I liked the whole school plot and I liked Cheren.
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    Its not everyday that Ash meets the Pokemon video game character Cheren. I'm sorry that Oshawott lost to Cheren's Herdier. Now what Ash planning to do? He already got eight Gym Unova Badges.
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    what the **** oshawoot and ash? ****ing train your pokemon better jesus christ that was embrassing to watch

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    Woah, at first i thought Cheren's behavior would be completely different than what i saw after watching the episode. He acted so calm. To think it's the same Cheren that was your rival in B/W 1 (Oh why THIS Cheren didn't appear, if BW1 Bianca did >.<)

    Also, any idea if his Seiyuu is the same that in the BW 2 Anime Trailer?

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    Cheren sure is pretty...

    So did we find out what badge he gives out? It didn't look like it from the pictures.


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