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    Default Anyone else hate single-type champions?

    I'm curious because I can't stand when a champion is a single-type trainer(Lance, Wallace, and Iris) because I feel like it's not much a challenge.

    The Champion is supposed to be the best in the region correct? So therefore they should be one of the hardest to battle. The challenging part of a multiple type champion is you have to strategize more in terms of what party you use and what each one's weakness is. That's why champions like Blue, Steven, Cynthia, and Alder were difficult.

    HOWEVER, when the champion is only a single type, then it's just like any other gym battle where as long as you have a type in your party that is strong against them, then you can pretty much sweep them.

    For me, Wallace was laughable because with a grass and an electric on my team I completely destroyed him, Lance was easy too with an ice type, and Iris disappointed me the most because I only had to heal ONCE in the entire battle and used mainly my Vaporeon(with ice moves) the whole battle.

    What are your thoughts on single-type Champions?

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    I don't have any problem with them. I didn't find most of the multitype Champions to be any more challenging, to be honest, they were just as easy.

    And by the way, you incorrectly mentioned Steven as one of them, when he's a self-identified Steel-type specialist.
    And, in fact, he has as many Steel-types as Lance has Dragon-types.

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    Iris wasn't one type?

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    Can't remember the Champion's teams enough to comment on who's single type and who isn't, but personally I haven't noticed much of a difference. Maybe its because I didn't prepare my team with lots of Ice Pokemon, but I found Lance quite a challenge on both Silver and SoulSilver, certainly as much so as Blue and Cynthia. If memory serves me correctly Wallace, (he was the Champion in Emerald right?) was pretty easy though.
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    Wallace is the only pure 'single-type' trainer, unless you include Lance as a Flying type champion which he isn't supposed to be. And to be honest I find Wallace tough sometimes, especially his Milotic.

    But yeah, it is better having multitypes, obviously. To be honest Blue is the easiest champion I believe, but Cynthia has it right. I hope the rival becomes champion again in a future game.

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    Iris was pretty easy. Lance was really easy. Wallace/Steven is pretty easy if memory serves me right.

    I agree, I prefer multi-type champions like Blue and Cynthia, those one gave me troubles, and they made it double. But I'm fine with monotypes, just don't like it compared to mix typed champions..

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    Even some Champions being single-typed, they are hard to match because most of their team are composed of dual type Pokemons.

    Wallace is the only Champion which team includes only the type he's specialist. Steven's team wasn't totally steel type, but it was the majority.

    It's interesting to note that on Gen IV onwards you have no Champion with a single type team (Cynthia, Alder and Iris). Iris is a dragon specialist, but she has some non-dragon Pokemons in her team.

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    Well, I really wouldn't care much of a champion with a single type, even a champion specialized on normal types.
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    It's not really the type that's hard, it's the Pokemon. Cynthia was only difficult because she had top-notch Pokemon, nothing particular about their typing; this is what makes Blue generally weaker, since his original team is limited to the high-end mediocre of Kanto without getting to use the likes of Dragonite.

    I just hope that in the future they make the Champions too strong, compared to the Elite 4. I want a Pokemon game where I will definitely white out, because the supposed toughest battle in the country is actually that much harder than the rest.
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    I agree about Cynthia being a bit tough due o what pokemon she has. She had ones with few weaknesses so not exactly "easy" to beat as well as them having brilliant stats. I do like that is is tough though. I do agree about champions that have too much of a single type it makes them seem rubbish to me. A champion in my opinion should have a variety of pokemon to show the reason why they are a champion not rely on the powerful dragon type (for example). Iris and Alder were alright i suppose but they did have half thier team with a certain type (Iris had dragon and Alder had steel). But having said that the champions are being made more fun as the Gens move forward.
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    I feel ashamed whenever someone calls Iris easy...I never took the time to level grind in that game. :/

    But the dragon masters aren't just restricted to dragon types. Anything clawed reptilian will work for them. Aerodactyl, Archeops, Lapras, Charizard, Gyarados, Aggron, ect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zachmac View Post
    I feel ashamed whenever someone calls Iris easy...I never took the time to level grind in that game. :/

    But the dragon masters aren't just restricted to dragon types. Anything clawed reptilian will work for them. Aerodactyl, Archeops, Lapras, Charizard, Gyarados, Aggron, ect.
    The thing is although yes Gyarados and Aerodactyl (and somehwat Aggron) look like dragons.. Lapras to me does not look anything like a dragon and with the ice typing it just doesn't seem right to count it as a dragon. Maybe it is just me but i find it odd how Lapras can be included in "dragon" looking pokemon. I have nothing against Lapras as i do like them but they are like the Loch ness monster and something of a sea creature to me not a dragon. Archeops i am unsure of too because it looks more bird-like than dragon but it is more dragon-like than Lapras.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrufox86 View Post
    The thing is although yes Gyarados and Aerodactyl (and somehwat Aggron) look like dragons.. Lapras to me does not look anything like a dragon and with the ice typing it just doesn't seem right to count it as a dragon. Maybe it is just me but i find it odd how Lapras can be included in "dragon" looking pokemon. I have nothing against Lapras as i do like them but they are like the Loch ness monster and something of a sea creature to me not a dragon. Archeops i am unsure of too because it looks more bird-like than dragon but it is more dragon-like than Lapras.
    In short, Iris like to use Pokemons based on dragons or pre-historic creatures.
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    It's not like they are really single-type anyways, aside from Wallace. Lance had non-Dragon types, Steven had non-Steel types, and Iris had non-Dragon types.

    Also, they all cover their type's weakness:
    Lance-Dragon types are weak to Ice and Dragon. He has a Rock, a Fire, and three Dragon types(One of which has a Fire move). As for the additional weakness of Rock, he has a Water type. Overall, he has 10 types covered when it comes to attacks, giving him plenty to work with and counter a bunch of types.

    Steven-Steel types are weak to Fire, Ground, and Fighting. He has three Rock types to cover Fire weakness(One is also part Steel) as well as a Ground type, two of his Pokemon are part Psychic(Only one has a Psychic move that can cause damage though), more over, most of his Pokemon take neutral damage to Fighting types due to their second type(Only two of his Pokemon are weak to Fighting types as well as half of his team takes neutral damage to Fire types due to one of their types. He has counters to Ground type as well. Overall, he has 11 types covered when it comes to attacks, giving him plenty to work with and counter a bunch of types.

    Wallace-Water types are weak to Grass and Electric. His Ludicolo takes neutral damage to both Water type's weakness. He has a part Flying type(Which doesn't have Flying type moves, but it takes neutral damage to Grass, albeit it takes 4x the damage to Electric, however it has a Ground type move). One of his Pokemon is part Ground, and while that means 4x against Grass it also means immunity to Electric and it has a Ground type move. Three of his Pokemon have an Ice move. He only has 6 types covered when it comes to attacks, but of those types he has something to deal with Water type's weakness.

    Iris-Again, Dragon types weak to Ice and Dragon. She has 10 types covered for attacks, of which she has moves covering her weakness. She has three Dragon types, of which two have moves that cover both it's weakness, and another covers it's Dragon weakness. And even without Challenge Mode, two of her Pokemon have items, a Life Orb, and a Focus Slash(Of which is held by Haxorus who has Dragon Dance). Overall, just like the others, she covers her weakness.

    I prefer to battle champions that aren't type specialist, but from what we have gotten from them thus far is perfectly fine as they aren't completely single type(Besides Wallace) and they all cover their type's weaknesses they specialize in.

    So no, I don't hate them. They can be plenty challenging with or without using types that are strong against their specialized typed.
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    I have always loved themed teams, I am currently doing a W2 play through on challenge mode with a completely mono-dark team.
    If you find these champions too easy then give YOURSELF a challenge.
    Besides, pokemon is meant to be a children's game, so game freak has to make it to some degree "easy"
    But never the less, I always adored the concept of mono-teams and themed teams so you could say I preferred the one type champions.
    (also, Alder came across as kind of a bug trainer to me~ Volcarona, Escavalier and Accelgor)

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    I know how you feel. It isn't a challenge. I do like to have a little spice in there and switch out my pokemon instead of having one water type the whole time to kill a fire type.
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    It was rather dull in Emerald all you needed was Sceptile, Manetric, Salamance as your main pokemon and Wallace was down not even a challenge
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    I definitely dislike single-type champions, it just simply takes the fun out of the challenge. Wallace is a perfect example, you could beat him in under 3 minutes just by bringing a grass or electric type, essentially, he was too easy.

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    What I thhink is that they are champions for a reason. They could overcome those shortcomings and be better even than type-advantageous trainers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Masterge77 View Post
    I definitely dislike single-type champions, it just simply takes the fun out of the challenge. Wallace is a perfect example, you could beat him in under 3 minutes just by bringing a grass or electric type, essentially, he was too easy.
    I guess that Electric type would have no difficulty with that Whiscash he's got. I guess you can switch it out for a Grass type though, it's not like three of his Pokemon take neutral damage to Grass type moves or anything or has three with Ice type moves. He also doesn't have a Pokemon that can use Poison type moves to counter Grass type weakness.

    Oh yah, he does have all that.

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    It was rather dull in Emerald all you needed was Sceptile, Manetric, Salamance as your main pokemon and Wallace was down not even a challenge
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    I know how you feel. It isn't a challenge. I do like to have a little spice in there and switch out my pokemon instead of having one water type the whole time to kill a fire type.
    Not like any of the Champions were Fire specialist anyways. Even so, they'd probably have an Electric move to to combat Water types, after all, the Champions who specialize in a type always have stuff to counter their weakness.
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    Well I hate Wallace due to his Milotic however him having only water types bugs noting I can use one single strong Grass Type to sweep him, well at least Steven had only 3 steels instead of 6 otherwise my Camerupt would've destroyed him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aakash98 View Post
    Well I hate Wallace due to his Milotic however him having only water types bugs noting I can use one single strong Grass Type to sweep him, well at least Steven had only 3 steels instead of 6 otherwise my Camerupt would've destroyed him.
    I don't see how a Grass type would be in a good position against Tentacruel, Ludicolo, or Gyarados considering they all take neutral damage from Grass type moves. More over, Wailord, Tentacruel, and Milotic have an Ice move.
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    They don't annoy me, as such but are considerabley easier. The own valid example you had is Wallace, but the less said about him the better, I mean he's cool as a leader but Juan was essentially him with a few more quid.
    Lance, in HG/SS had Charizard (fire/flying), Gyarados (Water/flying), Aerodactyl (rock/flying) and three underleveled Dragonite (Dragon/Flying). So Lance was a challenge, except for the unimaginative triple dragonite.
    Iris is the same, she had Aggron (Steel/rock), Archeops (rock/flying) AND LAPRAS (water/ice).

    There aren't actually many cases were this is applicable, but what annoys me more is when someone is said to be a monotype dragon champion and has three dragonite and three others which COULD be dragon type.
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    Lance is actually a monotype Flying champion, he just doesn't Know it.
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    I never had a "problem" with them. They usually have most of their bases covered and are, overall, just as hard as a regular multi-type champion. They just come across as a little less imaginative.
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