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22:In addition to everyone talking about the flaws of BF, The group was slowly losing it's appeal that made the AG cast so well. May felt tacked on and forced into the group in BF to the point where it felt like she couldn't wait to leave the main cast by the end of BF to go with Drew and Harley. Brock and Max, to me, it felt like they were running out of topics to talk about when Ash or May were doing there thing. A preview of Brock's future in DP really, and the group overall just felt like they were killing time between main plots but didn't mesh as well as they before in Hoenn.
23: If it was done right I think Ash's generation could all have ended in gen 2 or even gen 1 if the Orange Island league was redone in a way that focused on Ash becoming a experienced Pokemon trainer. It was the region he defeated a Dragonite, which at the time was equal to beating a true Legendary Pokemon, so if the writers really tried I personally think they could have ended Ash in Gen 1 and have him appear as a Pokemon Master in gen 2 aka like game Red. This way gen 3 and beyond could be new stuff. Another highly unpopular opinion that many will disagree with me on.
24: Paul, while he is my favorite character in the series so far, is actually really flat when interacting with any other character who isn't his main rival. Really it's the way he trains his Pokemon, the smarts he uses, and the attitude that I like about him, not so much his interactions with anyone.
25: Playing off number 24, I think Paul's character could have worked for any main character as a rival because while he had really great character traits, he was simply designed to be the anti-Ash as a trainer. They could have made Paul a anti-water trainer and be Misty's sworn enemy, or a anti-breeder and so on and it would have worked just as easily. It's because of how Paul was built which is why I felt his interactions with others besides Ash felt boring. He had moments with other characters but overall it's Paul's biggest weakness and flaw. Which is why he's a rival for one character rather then a main character. Not sure if this is unpopular or not. It is what it is. Nobody ever really mentions it so I don't know.
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Eh if you ask me Brock had some very memorable battles too imo, which
were even better than what we saw with Barry.
For example i enjoyed in his battle against Lola in chronicles when Onix used dig to get rid of water and leave Mantine on dry defeating it. When he battled Jessie and James in Pewter gym with Steelix showing to have some really cool moves against Charizard or Aggron.
I also enjoyed in his performance during Hearthome tag battle, especially against Paul Torterra using clever strategy through brick break.
As far as Brock as character goes, personally i never found him stale liking his eccentric and humorous attitude while balancing his quirks out through wise and mature approach being like older brother to others.
He was fun as screen time goes until DP for me too, where writers didn't do justice to his character in his last saga as main.
Although it would be understatement to say he didn't had his moments there, and when he did he usually came if as highly enjoyable and distinct character in my opinion.
Personally i thought BF suffered from too many contrived and poorly written battles with most Ash and May fluke wins coming from this saga. Main cast in general felt like it started to run out of its steam being bland and fairly forgettable at times along with whole Frontier brain quest being rushed and adversely executed.Other than the voices, the saga did pretty good as far as Ash's and May's quests were.
Speaking of AG saga in general i always thought Hoenn was much more engaging and rakish as far as series appeal goes.
This is one I've been meaning to say for a while.
I did not care for the majority of on-screen training in DP and I'm glad BW has rid itself of pointless training episodes.
To explain it, in DP we got some very boring training episodes quite often and training scenes. The Dawn-Ice Chandelier episode, the Cyndaquil/Mamoswine Double Battle training, an innumerable amount of Ash training scenes. Honestly, training is something that offers little to no entertainment in DP. If you're going to make training episode, said training episode should at least be entertaining or somewhat interesting. For examples, in BW, I really enjoyed the training episode with Brycen/Krokorok and Oshawott/Ash, it was entertaining, it wasn't drug out throughout the whole episode and we got more visible payoff after it all done. Said payoff being Oshawott managing to learn to battle without his scalchop(Which the Cheren debut ignored for some reason.) and Brycen debut and inevitable rivalry being set up between Krokorok and Beartic. Some amusing antics to boot.
Another one that sticks out is the episode where Cyndaquil/Skarmory battled in Johto, it was actual entertaining training, Cyndaquil got a win, and it learned to ignite its flame and get angry easily. In DP it honestly felt like the vast majority of on-screen training was fluff and the writers just putting it in there because they don't feel like constructing anything else and there was rarely any actual non-subtle benefit to this training. I'd say more than anything else on-screen training on constant amounts of episodes is more of for "reassurance" for some. Yes. Ash is working with Pikachu. Yes. Ash is training Chimchar. Yes. Ash's Aipom has gotten faster with using Double Team. Yes. Yes. Yes. Dawn is working on a new type of Ice-type/Bubble appeal. It was just so meh.
I'm fairly certain TP(s)TB want the audience to assume Ash is doing the majority of his training off-screen in BW. We get quick scenes of Ash, Iris, and Cilan training often, unlike in OS, but more like AG-style. That's all we really need to see if there isn't gonna be any sort of profit at the end, we can easily surmise it's happening off-screen in any case. The DP training was especially worthless in my eyes when we didn't even get a battle or entertaining battle in the training episode.
Ash trained Swellow throughout a series of episodes to master Aerial Ace, same with Skitty and Blizzard, we didn't get long drawn out boring episodes of them doing this. We got snappy scenes, it reminds me almost completely of Axew's Dragon Rage and Oshawott's Aqua Jet. And later on...ta-da! These Pokemon mastered their moves during moments where they counted and where the steaks were high and non-Deus Ex Machina-like ways. We knew May was training her Bulbasaur and she revealed her new Petal Dance in the Armaldo episode, the only thing wrong with that in my eyes was it might have been more satisfying to get a little foreshadowing before hand and it was better than Bulbasaur showing up with the move. Though DP did have some amusing training at times, the Buizel Ice Punch episode comes to mind, despite the fact Buizel one-shotting a hard-trained Mr.Mime was forced. And iirc this was the point where Buizel's unofficial losing streak sorta started to go away and the COTD was somewhat fun. Though in-comparison to a BW training episode I thought it had a bit more to be desired.
Overall I don't find constant, pointless especially, on-screen training to be a necessity unless it can be engrossing to watch.
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But fans will complain since they think that non-onscreen stuff = did not happen! XD
I'm glad they're not putting DP oriented style training into BW. Oshawott vs Herdier was a perfect example of an episode wasted (if the DP style training episode turned out to be true) and later we would realise it's a waste of time since Oshawott forgot how to fight with it, anyways! Also, the reason why they're putting in training episodes in DP is probably due to the fact that Ash actually uses complex combination rather than the simple combinations we get in BW. Also, Iris and Cilan don't have contests, while Dawn is more creative than May in cooking up combinations.
I was kinda pissed when Oshawott forgot how to fight without his scalchop. He's more forgetful than Ash =.=
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75% of Dawn´s appeals were made by the Pokéball´s seal and she only used ONE appeal of all the ones she practiced, May planned her appeals from scratch and what people call "Mary Sue" or "Deus Ex Machina" I call it "thinking fast".
Anyway, another unpopular opinions:
- Arbok and Weezing shouldn´t be released: Yes, the AG poacher episode was one of the best TR episodes to date but Arbok and Weezing were better signature Pokémon for Jessie and James than crappy Mime Jr. and useless Wobbufet.
- Team Aqua and Team Magma > Team Galactic: The only thing I didn´t like about TA & TM was the conclusion, it would be better if Ash & Friends just went to the Sky Pillar to awake Rayquaza like in the games but Team Galactic was just meh like all DP series was.
- Dawn´s cameo lasted too much: People complains because Dawn didn´t swept the Junior Cup and Alder, became the new Unova Champion and showing off all the attacks her Pokémon knows just for being in a cameo, but I think it was just fair, Misty only showed her Judy Jetson outfit and Gyarados in her cameo, half of May´s team was just showed in one-shots, in that case, her cameo lasted for too long and she hasn´t a reason to take part in the Junior Cup, it would be better if she was part of a "Sinnoh fair" or something like that.
- Brock without Misty was even more stale: Misty and Brock were a package, Misty was the fists and Brock was the "brain" (he didn´t showed all his supposed knowledge in battle) and it didn´t felt the same chemistry with May, Max or Dawn, that´s why I hope Iris and Cilan leaves at the same time, they complete themselves.
- May has too much evolutions: Wartotle was awesome, it´s one of my favorites, Glaceon rocks and suits perfectly to May, but I always thought that Torchic at least needed a contest loss/victory before it evolved like crazy, I actually think that Blaziken (yeah, sue me) and Venusaur weren´t necessary (mainly Venusaur because I liked the couple with Ash´s Bulbasaur :3), in that case, I would prefered Delcatty and Snorlax over Blaziken and Venusaur, or a random Johto capture.
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Actually, I thought Axew's Outrage was a shocker myself. Even though I really like the animation and execution of the attack, without a doubt it was forced to see Axew pull off an Outrage like that. I just look at it more as a shot of adrenaline in the heat of a moment, like a nerfed version of Chimchar's Blaze. Plus it's good to keep in mind that Axew hasn't used Outrage since the Club Battle and from the dialogue Cilan said in Cynthia's BW2 debut episode it's implied, but not out right stated, he can't use the move anymore. Let's take May's Combusken for example, it learned Mega Kick after already have a bit of experience and a few wins under its belt in the BF saga. Even though it didn't battle much in AG while it was a Torchic and had few battles as a Combusken as well. However, it's perfectly fine to see it learn Mega Kick because we saw some on-screen training and its power doesn't imply that it wouldn't be able to learn such a move at its current state.
For the record though I don't have a prob with Giga Impact for a few reasons:
1.Giga Impact is overused and lacks the rarity of Outrage and looks bland in comparison. Everyone and their mother has this move.
2.Giga Impact didn't even defeat its opponent, thus wasn't a Deus Ex Machina. In fact Garchomp wasn't even bothered.
3.It has a nasty recoil.
4.Iris hardly uses the move.
5.Axew desperately needed a permanent third move.
6.GI isn't portrayed as nearly as powerful as a move in-game, in fact it just seems like a strong version of Take Down.
7.Scraggy learned Hi Jump Kick, a very strong Fighting-type move in-game with recoil, I see Giga Impact as a mirror to that. As is Focus Blast to Dragon Rage since both reptilian Pokemon failed at using them at first. Lastly Scratch and Headbutt as "basic" moves.
Except we get scenes of training quite often every few episode in BW is what I'm saying. We know fully well Ash is training his Pokemon, no need to drag an episode out with pointless training unless it's entertaining and engrossing to watch. One of the reasons I give that extremely boring, imo, Dawn Ice Chandelier training episode a lot of flak because it was very uninteresting to watch.
....I can't tell if you're agreeing with me or disagreeing. Honestly, Ash has always used complex strategies, I remember how in Johto he had Cyndaquil spin upward to counter Scyther's Swords Dance or in the Elesa Gym where he had Pikachu make that smoke tunnel with Thunderbolt. DP isn't the only series that does that, in a lot of BW battles the writing seems to consist of head-on attacking with little to no strategy unfortunately, I can hand wave this off easily in typical battles since the same thing happened often in DP. It's just somewhat unacceptable for League and Gym Battles however. Addressing your Dawn part, I personally thought Dawn's combinations were inferiors to May's. Dawn's felt more like glorified fireworks and ice-works(.....yes, I know that's not a word. :I) than fun combinations to watch. May used some cool combos like the Silver-Tornado, Psychic-Fire Spin, Focus-Shadow Ball, Fire-Spin Bubble Tucker combination(May Version XD), that easily put Dawn's to shame. Dawn's were just so redundant and hardly anything came of her combinations, I'm almost positive most of them never actually landed and just resulted in an ambiguous explosion half the time.I'm glad they're not putting DP oriented style training into BW. Oshawott vs Herdier was a perfect example of an episode wasted (if the DP style training episode turned out to be true) and later we would realise it's a waste of time since Oshawott forgot how to fight with it, anyways! Also, the reason why they're putting in training episodes in DP is probably due to the fact that Ash actually uses complex combination rather than the simple combinations we get in BW. Also, Iris and Cilan don't have contests, while Dawn is more creative than May in cooking up combinations.
Yeah, I don't think the Oshawott VS. Herdier battle held any water, it was extremely short and it only served to use Oshawott as fodder for Cheren's new-ness as a gym leader.I was kinda pissed when Oshawott forgot how to fight without his scalchop. He's more forgetful than Ash =.=
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It really depends. I feel that Dawn's appeals are better. Maybe it's because I like the idea of implementing ice in contest moves. To me, May's combinations were kind of... I don't know. Not as special as guess. Or doesn't look as well. Oh well, each to their own :3
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- DP Jessie herself > Other Jessie (s) : I like the idea of villains doing something other than being a bad guy. It was originally from AG, but AG Jessie just sucked in contests. I'm glad in DP she actually could get into the Grand Festival (though she got 1 Pity ribbon) and had combinations of her own.
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@Doryuzu/Gotpika, the most reasonable reason of why Axew used Outrage only one time was because the episode was animated by Tamagawa, one of the best animators (and it will have strange proprtions and havew the eyes very big) of the show.
The reason why Axew learned that movie wasn't for seeing that Axew will improve. Apparently, the real reason of why they give Axew a move is thyat Tamagawa want to do something big before leaving the show for a long hiatus.
The attack only makes sense if you know about the animator of this episode and you know that the animator hasn't appeared for 18 months, at least. And possibly he aren't going to animate episodes anymore.
Remember that in BEst Wishes, the writers never give to the main characters, attacks who they can't give stocked animation for the future.
This is one of the most hated events of the BW anime before the league by the fandom.
Source?
Except Dig(Pansage), Tackle(Oshawott)S, Brick Break, Leer, Focus Blast(Scraggy), Bug Bite, Aerial Ace(Krookodile), Dragon Claw, Scratch, Giga Impact, and Discharge iirc. These moves have had little to no stock footage, not sure what stock footage has to do with it since in the past writers have been more than willing to give non-stock footage moves to Pokemon to Pokemon. Staraptor's Close Combat comes to mind in DP for example, not sure how the rules just suddenly changed in BW. I think a better theory is that Outrage *might* be expensive to animate given the constant quick melee-like movements. For example, each time CC was animated in Sinnoh, it's especially noticeable later on, there was quite a bit of repetition and a bit more slowness. Outrage is similar in-vain to that attack.Remember that in BEst Wishes, the writers never give to the main characters, attacks who they can't give stocked animation for the future.
I checked the review thread for the episode...most people seemed happy about Axew's Outrage. :I Saying this is one of the most "hated" events by the "fandom" is a bit broad don't you think? Because the fandom is just so much more than Bulbagarden(I think saw you on there a few times.), there are many places that are perfectly okay with or even happy Axew learned Outrage. I know for example on Tumblr a lot of people loved the fact that Axew learned Outrage, the fandom encompasses, I'm gonna take a wild guess, maybe a couple million people and only about maybe, fifteen or so *really* vocal members of a forum aren't the whole fandom. I mean for example, there are some people who love Team Rocket and there are some people who hate Team Rocket. You seem more vocal fans talking about the disdain on Bulba and you seem more vocal fans talking about how they like them here but simply saying the whole "Fandom" hates them is a bit out-of-the-park.This is one of the most hated events of the BW anime before the league by the fandom.
Common sense and knowing that Tamagawa hasn't done a episode in 19 months. It's speculation, we don't know why Axew learnt Outrage.
It's known that Best Wishes has more stocked animation than other sagas. And the wrutera are fans to certain attacks. I don't go as far as Pepsi plunge but there's episodes with a lot of stocked animation. The best example was Nonomi episode.Except Dig(Pansage), Tackle(Oshawott)S, Brick Break, Leer, Focus Blast(Scraggy)Stocked footage, Bug Bite, Aerial Ace(Krookodile), Dragon Claw, Scratch, Giga Impact, and Discharge iirc. These moves have had little to no stock footage, not sure what stock footage has to do with it since in the past writers have been more than willing to give non-stock footage moves to Pokemon to Pokemon. Staraptor's Close Combat comes to mind in DP for example, not sure how the rules just suddenly changed in BW. I think a better theory is that Outrage *might* be expensive to animate given the constant quick melee-like movements. For example, each time CC was animated in Sinnoh, it's especially noticeable later on, there was quite a bit of repetition and a bit more slowness. Outrage is similar in-vain to that attack.
Yes, the hated opinion comes from Bulbagarden, not the general fandom. In general there isn't that negative opinion.I checked the review thread for the episode...most people seemed happy about Axew's Outrage. :I Saying this is one of the most "hated" events by the "fandom" is a bit broad don't you think? Because the fandom is just so much more than Bulbagarden(I think saw you on there a few times.), there are many places that are perfectly okay with or even happy Axew learned Outrage. I know for example on Tumblr a lot of people loved the fact that Axew learned Outrage, the fandom encompasses, I'm gonna take a wild guess, maybe a couple million people and only about maybe, fifteen or so *really* vocal members of a forum aren't the whole fandom. I mean for example, there are some people who love Team Rocket and there are some people who hate Team Rocket. You seem more vocal fans talking about the disdain on Bulba and you seem more vocal fans talking about how they like them here but simply saying the whole "Fandom" hates them is a bit out-of-the-park.
The usage of stock animation in Pokemon Best Wishes is horrendous.
I feel it takes away a lot of the entertainment in battles and makes them feel much more unrealistic (obviously they're unrealistic anyway, but this makes them hard to visualise).