remake of all the old games for DS

[BurningWhiteKyurem]

First of all, I don't think Lucas/Dawn would still be in possession of Dialga/Palkia/Giratina. Unlike in BW1, you never actually HAD to catch them in order to beat the game, so they just as easily could have decided not to. Or they could've decided to release them later because they believed commanding Dialga/Palkia/Giratina is too much power. As for the remnants of Team Galactic, maybe they could use Dialga/Palkia/Giratina to undo their mistakes somehow?

I'd say it's debatable considering that D/P/Pt had Dawn and Lucas battle Dialga/Palkia/Giratina before the 8th gym depending on which game you had, I'd have to consider that canon (the only difference is that you could kill them). The only difference between the two is the mythology attached to it, we were forced to catch Reshiram/Zekrom in BW1 because the Player Characters were set up to fight each other and continue the Unova brothers conflict (think Uchiha vs. Senju > Sasuke vs. Naruto if by any chance you follow Naruto). Dialga/Palkia was a result of Team Galactic's ambitious plan, though you can plausibly argue both sides, defeating them keeps Sinnoh safe, and catching them also keeps Sinnoh safe (it's low leveled enough to argue that it can be caught and kept under player's control).

Undoing their mistakes is a redundant storyline, considering they're already defeated and have no galvanized motivation to start some shenanigans again...not to mention it makes the previous journey such a waste of time.

Gonna have to disagree with you on the Johto Gym Leader's variety, I felt like for their gym teams (and the region in general), the 1st gen Pokemon overshadowed the 2nd. There could've been more variety had they given the gym leaders more 2nd gen Pokemon (for instance, Falkner could've had a Hoothoot, Bugsy could've had Ledyba and Spinarak, Chuck could've had Heracross). I think the Johto Dex needs to be completely rehauled, we don't need every single 1st gen Pokemon in it, only keep the ones that actually make sense and fill the rest of the Johto Dex with 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th gen Pokemon that would make sense there as well.

The point of 1st gen Pokemon is the fact that Johto and Kanto were an interdependent environment, so it shouldn't really come as a surprise that there were so many 1st gen Pokemon in Johto. Plus in its time, it was to be a canonical sequel to the popular RBY, so in that regard it's also understandable why there were many Kanto Pokemon available. I don't think we need to be bombarded with every Johto Pokemon for the gym leaders, I mean Pidgeotto, Scyther, Gengar are still good and/or annoying the same way Kingdra, Miltank, and Steelix. Plus 50% of Ace Pokemon devoted to each region makes for a nice balance, I think. I don't think Hoot-Hoot, Spinarak and Ledyba would've made much of a difference considering they're horrible. I think rehauling the Johto dex to include 5th/6th gen is being a bit too optimistic considering we're not even sure if we're going to revisit Johto or any of the old regions anytime soon.

[Bolt the Cat]

The point of 1st gen Pokemon is the fact that Johto and Kanto were an interdependent environment, so it shouldn't really come as a surprise that there were so many 1st gen Pokemon in Johto. Plus in its time, it was to be a canonical sequel to the popular RBY, so in that regard it's also understandable why there were many Kanto Pokemon available.

And that's something that should be corrected the next time we go to either of them. GSCHGSS demonstrated that having two regions causes problems with pacing, distribution, and regional design, so the next time we go back there, they should make both of them completely independent regions and add areas onto those regions to make them comparable to regions like Hoenn and Sinnoh in terms of size and diverse environments.

I don't think we need to be bombarded with every Johto Pokemon for the gym leaders, I mean Pidgeotto, Scyther, Gengar are still good and/or annoying the same way Kingdra, Miltank, and Steelix. Plus 50% of Ace Pokemon devoted to each region makes for a nice balance, I think. I don't think Hoot-Hoot, Spinarak and Ledyba would've made much of a difference considering they're horrible.

Well no, we don't need to see every single Johto Pokemon shoved down our throats, that'd get annoying. But at the same time, we shouldn't see one generation of Pokemon overshadow the native Pokemon of that region.

Also, keep in mind that any family that has a 2nd gen Pokemon in it technically counts as a Johto Pokemon as well, so we could have stuff like Raichu, Electivire, and Magmortar as well as Gliscor, Mamoswine, and Weavile too. So that would help to make up for the lack of great Pokemon in 2nd gen. What matters is that the majority of the Johto Dex Pokemon should in fact be families with 2nd gen Pokemon in them.

I think rehauling the Johto dex to include 5th/6th gen is being a bit too optimistic considering we're not even sure if we're going to revisit Johto or any of the old regions anytime soon.

Why would you think we need a Johto Dex rehaul if we're never going back there again? No, I meant rehaul the Johto Dex for the next game we go there.

[OnceDone]

Honestly, I really don't think remakes are unnecessary right now.
I would absolutely love a R/S/E remake, but maybe remaking them isn't really what Game Freak needs right now.

[Silver Bolt]

I'd much rather have new games than remakes.

[marioguy]

I would love to see a remake of HeartGold and SoulSilver.

[Ver-mont]

I don't think we need to be bombarded with every Johto Pokemon for the gym leaders, I mean Pidgeotto, Scyther, Gengar are still good and/or annoying the same way Kingdra, Miltank, and Steelix. Plus 50% of Ace Pokemon devoted to each region makes for a nice balance, I think. I don't think Hoot-Hoot, Spinarak and Ledyba would've made much of a difference considering they're horrible.

Well, in a way, we do.

It's natural that at least the team ace of every Gym Leader should belong to their home region: it's this way with every single region in existence except Johto. There isn't such thing as "balance" in this matter: in all the other cases, all the ace Pokémon are native to the home region. And that's not right; Johto isn't worse or less relevant than the other regions, it should get the same treatment.

To make things even worse, we did have Gen II options for team ace of pretty much all the Johto leaders.

[!jirachi!]

that would be awesome!!! I don't like rushing all those gens...

[Nutter t.KK]

I'm really not on the ball. This thread is about Remakes which is banned under GPD rules. Shutting.