Page 2 of 5 FirstFirst 12345 LastLast
Results 26 to 50 of 121

Thread: April Plot Discussion

  1. #26
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Somewhere
    Posts
    474

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by matt0044 View Post
    I'm sorry but I can't help but chuckle at the "god" part. I dunno why.

    If Black were to become the champion and stay the champion, I wonder if Iris's BW2 role would be succeeding Drayden as Gym Leader. Hypothetically speaking...
    I'm sure that Black will turn down the title of champion after some character development after Musha left him so the next candidate to be the next Unova champion will be Iris. That's pretty much the Viridian Gym fiasco between Red and Blue.

  2. #27
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    New York
    Posts
    6,361

    Default

        Spoiler:- img:


    Coronis, you neglected to mention that White's appearance had her in an awesome pose.

    Uh, did Petashi shrink? He wasn't that small in his first appearance. He looked slightly older, even.

        Spoiler:- Nothing to see here. Nothing at all.:

  3. #28
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    United States
    Posts
    100

    Default

    I just thought of something. If N has already beaten Alder, doesn't that mean that he is champion now? Why hasn't he gone on television and given his demands yet? Isn't he the goveNator of Unova now? Is that how things work in the PokeSpe universe, or is the champion just there for show? What does Alder's disappearance mean practically? Why is N not sitting on what used to be Alder's throne so that he can sit back and anticipate the joy of soon kicking back Black to the curb?

    This seems an awful lot like a plot-hole to me.

  4. #29
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    186

    Default

    Because the win of N is invalid . He didn't participate Unova league . He haven't collected 8 badges . He haven't defeated Elite 4 yet . So just defeat Alder didn't make him the champion . Lorelei defeated Red but that didn't mean she was the new champion .

  5. #30
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Posts
    1,078

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by arawn View Post
    Because the win of N is invalid . He didn't participate Unova league . He haven't collected 8 badges . He haven't defeated Elite 4 yet . So just defeat Alder didn't make him the champion . Lorelei defeated Red but that didn't mean she was the new champion .
    If Red is an official champion, then he will not be able to participate in gym leader exam......

  6. #31
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Posts
    4,089

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Trutown View Post
    I just thought of something. If N has already beaten Alder, doesn't that mean that he is champion now? Why hasn't he gone on television and given his demands yet? Isn't he the goveNator of Unova now? Is that how things work in the PokeSpe universe, or is the champion just there for show? What does Alder's disappearance mean practically? Why is N not sitting on what used to be Alder's throne so that he can sit back and anticipate the joy of soon kicking back Black to the curb?

    This seems an awful lot like a plot-hole to me.
    Unless you defeat them in the league after the tournament and the Elite Four, you do not actually receive the title of champion. Hell, in the Anime, if Paul defeated Cynthia outside the league (possibly), that still wouldn't count.
    Last edited by matt0044; 20th February 2013 at 3:16 PM.

  7. #32
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Location
    Kalos
    Posts
    4,725

    Default

    This was amusing to say the least. :X

    Iris comes from Blackthorn City, huh? Cool backstory, unlike the anime and games where she hails from the Village of Dragons near or inside the Unova Region. She also has a Lapras and was an arrogant and somewhat bratty kid before being defeated by Drayden and getting mentors in the form of Drayden and Alder. That's really some amazing backstory, this might just be my favorite backstory for Iris because it's so different and intriguing. I can't wait to read those chapters in full when they get collected, the battle looks interesting. Kusaka never disappoints.

    I wonder what he's pulling with Cheren, I actually like the changes he made. I found Cheren a tad boring in the games so I don't mind the small bit of Sasuke-ish behavior that's being glued to his character.

  8. #33
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    Lucid Dimensions
    Posts
    1,122

    Default

    Dear all, I just reviewed the Pokemon Fan chapter again, and I must say Black vs Iris may NOT be the final battle after all. The first panel before their fight actually showed 4 trainer capsules on the stage, which means Cheren and the Hoodman are probably still there. Their battle was just called 'the tournament battle that will decide who will be the top of the Pokemon League'. There is some vagueness in this statement. Every battle in the tournament can be regarded as 'one of the battles that will decide who will be the top', especially since there are no plural forms in Japanese. Another thing that suggests this might not be the final battle is the lack of enthusiasm in the crowd and the Announcer's speech. I suppose the final battle would be more hyped, but it was portrayed as just another battle.

    So, possibly, we may see Cheren vs Hoodman in the next Ichiban chapter, and then perhaps the one that follows is the final battle? In a way it makes sense because by showing us the real final battle in Fan now basically takes away the surprise factor in the coming Ichiban's content (because we'll know Black and Iris will beat their respective opponents). We'll probably have to wait til next Ichiban for the confirmation, but things look semi-finals to me at this moment.



    Coronis~

    Myths of the Pokemon world. Created just for fun :)

  9. #34
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Posts
    211

    Default

    Well, if Iris is out on the semi-finals, then that means that she's not going to be the runner-up against the champion... so much for the theory of Black having a moment of character development and giving up the title.

    This means that Kusaka has something up his sleeve to surprise us, and I'm sure it's going to be awesome.

    Uh, did Petashi shrink? He wasn't that small in his first appearance. He looked slightly older, even.
    I thought the same thing. At first I was just going shrug it off as the last chapter might have been toying with perspectives, but looking back it's very obvious that he's almost as tall as Cheren in some panels in there while he's much shorter here.

    (Damn, did someone remove Cheren's soul somewhere before this chapter?)
    Human beings are not otters!

  10. #35
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    419

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Flintoff Cypress View Post
    Well, if Iris is out on the semi-finals, then that means that she's not going to be the runner-up against the champion... so much for the theory of Black having a moment of character development and giving up the title.
    To be fair, that could still happen... it would just be that the other runner ups also give up their title (Cheren leaves to become Aspertia gym leader, Hoodman/Maybe-Colress turns out to be a villain and goes off to do whatever he's going to do in B2W2)

    But for Iris to be the 3rd runner up crowned champion is kinda lame, lol

  11. #36
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Posts
    211

    Default

    To be fair, that could still happen... it would just be that the other runner ups also give up their title (Cheren leaves to become Aspertia gym leader, Hoodman/Maybe-Colress turns out to be a villain and goes off to do whatever he's going to do in B2W2)

    But for Iris to be the 3rd runner up crowned champion is kinda lame, lol
    That... could work out well! Cheren and/or Hoodman progress before Black and for reasons above give up the title. Black decides that he wants it by his own merits and not by default and therefore surrenders it to Iris!
    Human beings are not otters!

  12. #37
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    186

    Default

    That would be a slap to Iris's face . That would mean her power wasn't strong enough to be a legit champion . And that title can be taken by someone easily .

  13. #38
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    419

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by arawn View Post
    That would be a slap to Iris's face . That would mean her power wasn't strong enough to be a legit champion . And that title can be taken by someone easily .
    Another is for Black to become champion, League gets attacked by N's Castle and they battle, after which N flies off with Zekrom, Black chases with Reshiram and designate Iris as interim Champion because she shared his dreams of conquering the League (he skips Cheren because of the same reason above - Aspertia City Gym).

    If Hugh is the protagonist of B2W2, they can allow Black to disappear for a while and re-appear when Hugh battles Ghetsis + Kyurem like in B2W2. Meanwhile, Iris proves herself to be a good enough temporary champion that everyone sort of just considers her the real champion.

    I kinda like this one better because it's closer to the game.

  14. #39
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Somewhere green
    Posts
    7,748

    Default

    I've never been crazy about Iris as champion. When I first heard it, it felt so random to have her as Unova champ instead of someone like Cheren of the BW1 protagonist game wise. But here in Pokemon Adventures/Special land things are different. This whole "Black gives Iris the title" thing makes Iris look inferior and like a false champ. I fail to see why Black would give the title to Iris. He can still have strong bonds with his Pokemon and friends without having to give up the title he's been screaming about all Black and White chapter.
    Parena or Serecham both equal Serena+Pancham!

  15. #40
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Posts
    4,089

    Default

    ^And who says Iris needs to become the champion in PokeSpe? Are we forgetting what Manga reading?

  16. #41
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Posts
    211

    Default

    I've never been crazy about Iris as champion. When I first heard it, it felt so random to have her as Unova champ instead of someone like Cheren of the BW1 protagonist game wise.
    I totally agree. It comes out of left-field and sometimes I wonder if Game Freak did that because the anime made her so significant.

    This whole "Black gives Iris the title" thing makes Iris look inferior and like a false champ. I fail to see why Black would give the title to Iris. He can still have strong bonds with his Pokemon and friends without having to give up the title he's been screaming about all Black and White chapter.
    Again, agreed. But the typical story-telling cliche is the whole "wanting something so bad then realizing that have your friends and family makes you the real winner" thing. I really wouldn't want that to happen, but it's such a common cliche that it wouldn't surprise me in the least if it did. I would rather have Black become the Champion and realize that he couldn't have done it without his friends and his Pokemon. Still a cliche, but not as wall-banging as both the character and the audience get their cake and eat it, too.

    ^And who says Iris needs to become the champion in PokeSpe? Are we forgetting what Manga reading?
    Also, this. Kusaka could very well pull something bizarre out of his hat for a champion.
    Last edited by Flintoff Cypress; 21st February 2013 at 2:20 AM.

  17. #42
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Posts
    4,089

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Flintoff Cypress View Post
    Also, this. Kusaka could very well pull something bizarre out of his hat for a champion.
    Heck, Iris could be Drayden's successor to the gym.

  18. #43
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    186

    Default

    But i really want to see the princess appearance of Iris when she become champ . But the way Kusaka handled things made me feel like she will get the short end of the stick .
    Aww ,and White too . I think this time Kusaka didn't give White much chance to shine . Black overshadowed her too much . At least Gold haven't outshined Crys so much . And Ruby's screentime wasn't more than Sapphire's significantly . And i think Platinum had the same (if not more ) solo scenes than Dia .

  19. #44
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Posts
    211

    Default

    And i think Platinum had the same (if not more ) solo scenes than Dia .
    When you consider the entire Platinum arc, I wouldn't be surprised if one looks at the actual appearance stats and sees that she had (if only slightly) more "screentime" (if we can really call it that in a printed medium) than her male companions.

    I have a feeling that White's going to be getting a little more time in the spotlight sometime soon. If Kusaka's going to have her be involved in this chapter, he needs to be quickly getting to it as we're probably getting close to the end of the BW arc.

  20. #45
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Posts
    1,810

    Default

    Do we have a color picture of the hookedman? Because the armor resembles Genesect to me!!

  21. #46
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Somewhere green
    Posts
    7,748

    Default

    I will admit, it doesn't feel like White gets all that much, but she does some stuff. It's just Black's hero/league story is far more dominate this chapter that it feels like it's the only thing that matters. Where in the past Sapphire, Crystal, and Platinum were equal to their male counterparts if not more. Most only played second when it was evil Team time. White doesn't really have moments look the other girls do yet, it's probably because she just became a trainer. I admit it would sound like a good idea if BW2 was more focused on White this time around but that more then likely won't be the case. Still I think White's moment to shine is coming, we just need to be patient. She did invent Musicals
    Parena or Serecham both equal Serena+Pancham!

  22. #47
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Posts
    4,089

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Platinum fan. View Post
    She did invent Musicals
    She'll be featured with PokeStar Studios, that we can be assured on.

  23. #48
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    Maryland
    Posts
    2,030

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_the_knight View Post
    Hmm. So the Hoodman is only Colress and not Sird. That actually explains Beheeyem. Looks like the fans (including me) who are expecting for Sird to return as a Hoodman became false.

    Wait, Iris from Blackthorn in Gen II? That makes no sense! For playing Gen 2, I don't remember seeing Iris in GSC and HGSS. How come she didn't mentioned when we didn't see her in the manga book and in the game? Kusaka, stop messing up the chronological order!
    I do say however that Iris did advance for Black to let her go on. The fans are right.

    And lastly, Cheren not happy? Are we ganna have another Saskue or lose Cheren? He's supposed to be a regular teen that acts as a smart student, not become a terrified emo boy. But this is new: Gray. That means one thing, we will later get to see what Gray will look like since Gray was not made into a game but later as a character. I hope he has his appearance and important just like Emerald, Yellow, and Crystal.
    Ruby is from Goldenrod City, but he didn't even make a cameo back then.

    Anyways, although I didn't understand the chapter at first cuz I didn't read Ichiban's, I'm surprised Iris ended up in the finals rather than Cheren. I guess that means Cheren loses to one of them in the Semi's, and because of that little comment Black made with Cheren acting cold and what not, I'm guessing they will battle in the Semi's and that lose will knock some sense back into him.

    Hax that Fraxure evolved into Haxorus so suddenly, too bad it got troll'd by Ice-Beam lolololol

    Edit: I'm so freaking surprised and probably so late on noticing how Zinzolin has his BW2 outfit instead of his BW outfit. That eye-gear makes him look blind =P
    Last edited by nuzamaki90; 21st February 2013 at 10:45 PM.

  24. #49
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Posts
    1,078

    Default

    Whether Black VS Iris is semi-finals or final, the progress of Ichiban has left no more than.

    If Black VS Iris is semi-finals, than may we get Cheren VS Hood man (or not any battle), and White makes the scene.

    If it's final, we will get Black VS Cheren or Hood man, and Iris VS Cheren or Hood man in Ichiban next, and White makes the scene.

    Maybe next month will be BW last round in Ichiban, than we will get B2W2 in next until XY (or XY serialized in other magazines).

    And BW may continue to be serialized in Fan, or new magazines, and volumes completed.

  25. #50
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    New Tork City
    Posts
    7,745

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Platinum fan. View Post
    I've never been crazy about Iris as champion. When I first heard it, it felt so random to have her as Unova champ instead of someone like Cheren of the BW1 protagonist game wise.
    Making Cheren the Champion would be ignoring the point of his story arc in the first games, where he had to learn that being the strongest wasn't the right thing to focus exclusively on.

    (Banner by Matori)
    Beyond all ideals, the truth shall set you free...
    Most Recent: 18: Winter of Discontent
    Next: The Weight of the World (Part 1)

    The steps on the road to the truth.
    The Firestorm Rebellion
    The Victory Star of Fate


    Glacidia Network - The Home for Fanworks
    Best Wishes appreciation blog

Page 2 of 5 FirstFirst 12345 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •