There is it. February 14th was 5.5, week before was 4.4.
The fandom makes me laugh.
Cynthia, Looker, Mewtwo and Charizard returning are no way near gimmicks at all..
-Cynthia and Looker were present in the Black and White games, it's natural that they appeared in the anime.
-Mewtwo had the biggest and most obvious connections to Genesect even before the BW anime had started, it seems obvious that Ken Sugimori when designing Genesect wanted it to be compared to Mewtwo right from the very start. Hence why it's background and creation is so similar.
-Charizard returning? EVERY SAGA HAS PREVIOUS POKEMON RETURNING SO IT IS NOT A GIMMICK. INFACT CHARIZARD SO FAR IS THE ONLY POKEMON OF ASH'S TO RETURN PROPERLY, BW HAS THE LEAST GIMMICKS OF ANY OTHER SAGA.
About the Unova League being horrible, I remember the ig battles of Sinnoh who I don't think that they can do it if they air now. THey can air those matches but it would be sightly less epic:
Because I know that if the DP saga was airing in 2012 and 2013, the Ash vs Paul battle will be 2 episodes and lasted around 20 minutes less (lasted 50 min), and the battle will be more simple. And we won't see battles like Zoey vs Nando and Dawn vs Zoey lasting too long. They will be , at least, partially shorter.
Thisis because in Best Wishes, the pokemon anime (and probably any action-anime) are using stock animation if there's available. In Pokemon Contests, they will respect the appeal for the most part the battle rounds... not so much.
Of course, I preferred a Ash vs Paul battle with lots of stocked animation and stocked animation in the Grand Festival to the Unova League crap.
I didn't expected a horrible league. I expect a league that was good but they won't be spectacular like the Sinnoh and Johto ones, shorter battles and with a lot of stocked animation. I thought that we can get full battles in 20 min.
Last edited by Eievui-Nymphia; 1st March 2013 at 10:52 PM.
The gimmick things happening so fast and so much isn't out of desperation, it's because BEST WISHES IS A FAST-PACED SERIES.
These are no different than the merchandising gimmicks of the past, it's just that the show is moving so fast that the gimmicks do as well to keep up.
Also, Episode N as a title is pretty gimmicky, yes, but Season 2 is natural given that the show is now representing B2/W2 rather than B/W.
Last edited by AgentPierce; 1st March 2013 at 10:27 PM.
This thread should be closed.
We don't need yet another BW complaint thread.
Oh and by the way, I realize that Mewtwo's return isn't helpful to the anime's ratings given that he's coming back in the movie. Still, movie ticket sales are also important right? Him coming back will do wonders for the new movie, so it still feels like a gimmick.
The anime has always used "tricks" to attract the attention of the audience, like the various arcs. It's nothing new.
A tonne of things returned in AG, and a tonne of things returned in DP, BW is doing the exact same the only difference being that it's all been saved for the very end because of how strict the first half was on references.
I understand regardless of Mewtwo being in the anime or movie that people see it as a gimmick.Oh and by the way, I realize that Mewtwo's return isn't helpful to the anime's ratings given that he's coming back in the movie. Still, movie ticket sales are also important right? Him coming back will do wonders for the new movie, so it still feels like a gimmick.
However i simply feel people are saying it only because it's a returning Pokemon. It's clear to see just how heavily Genesect relates to Mewtwo in the games and the fact it gained a signature move this generation. It's nothing to do with the anime writers, but the fact they are following exactly what material they've been given from the games.
P.S, i think we'll also be getting a hint or two of Mewtwo in the anime aswell.
To anyone, this thread serves the purpose of explainin if the writers are being too gimmicky lately and why the writers are promoting the series too much
I don't mind the majority of gimmicks and I like many of the things promoted in it. The main issue with Best Wishes is the Unova League and not because Ash was Top 8. THe rest of any complaining is any minor
The reason because there are too many gimmicks now is because in Unova the series was getting very boring and predictable We know until the Roxie detour the general plotline of the next few months in the anime. This isn't fun. Remember that in BW1 we know that they are following the game mapo so strictly. In Sinnoh, the writers had more liberties between the game places.
Last edited by Eievui-Nymphia; 1st March 2013 at 10:45 PM.
Well, you have to remember that the anime based off of the games. Black/white the games has not one single previous gen pokemon to catch until post elite four, and literally the only reference period in the games was just a pikachu sign in castelia, and that pikachu thing in nimbasa. The anime had to unfortunatley default to that, and ended ups suffering in some people's eyes. Although I feel the only issues had nothing to with anything other than bad characterization.
Then when black/white 2 came out , the anime has to base everything off of the big and better than ever comeback of having half of every pokemon ever in the dex and a million references to previous gens.
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I really don't understand why people blame BW for stuff like this when all the other seasons also use gimmicks to get more ratings, it's just how the show works.
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Dawn - Junior Cup.
How is that different from:
Older Pokemon - Sinnoh League
May - Wallace Cup
Original Trio - Last Frontier Brain+1st (Charizard)
They all have specific reasons, they're not gimmick just because you guys don't like Best Wishes -_-
I wonder who will still be active in the forums 3 years from now, from the people that are active now.
This is just my opinion, but i think that BW1 wasn't all that great and the writers are just bringing back the old characters because they have ran out of ideas.
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Yes, and guess what? They're going to work too! N, Misty, Brock, Charizard, Mewtwo all look like gimmicks to save the show. But it doesn't erase all the crap Bad Writing threw up before bringing this stuff. If they were smart they'd have Misty and Brock actually appear in the flesh to really get ratings up. At this point I'd say go for it? What does the Pokemon anime really have to lose now? I just hope they get it altogether for XY and really save the show. BW is beyond saving for me.
Parena or Serecham both equal Serena+Pancham!
Just because they're ideas you don't like doesn't make them not ideas.
Last edited by AgentPierce; 1st March 2013 at 11:19 PM.
They made a big deal promoting Dawn's return and her cameo had her doing nothing and losing to Iris early in a tournament.