Is the BW series doing gimmick things to have more ratings? Are they desesperate?

[yuoke]

Well, you have to remember that the anime based off of the games. Black/white the games has not one single previous gen pokemon to catch until post elite four, and literally the only reference period in the games was just a pikachu sign in castelia, and that pikachu thing in nimbasa. The anime had to unfortunatley default to that, and ended ups suffering in some people's eyes. Although I feel the only issues had nothing to with anything other than bad characterization.
Then when black/white 2 came out , the anime has to base everything off of the big and better than ever comeback of having half of every pokemon ever in the dex and a million references to previous gens.

[diakyu]

I really don't understand why people blame BW for stuff like this when all the other seasons also use gimmicks to get more ratings, it's just how the show works.

[CyberCubed]

I really don't understand why people blame BW for stuff like this when all the other seasons also use gimmicks to get more ratings, it's just how the show works.

What gimmicks did previous arcs use? Sure old characters and Pokemon came back but it was for a specific reason.

[Janovy]

What gimmicks did previous arcs use? Sure old characters and Pokemon came back but it was for a specific reason.

And here there's no reason? Everything happens for a reason.

[TheSirPeras]

What gimmicks did previous arcs use? Sure old characters and Pokemon came back but it was for a specific reason.

Charizard - Help against TP.
Dawn - Junior Cup.

How is that different from:

Older Pokemon - Sinnoh League
May - Wallace Cup

or

Original Trio - Last Frontier Brain+1st (Charizard)

They all have specific reasons, they're not gimmick just because you guys don't like Best Wishes -_-

[Haunter227]

What gimmicks did previous arcs use? Sure old characters and Pokemon came back but it was for a specific reason.

Why did Misty return Cyber?

[*futachimaru*]

This is just my opinion, but i think that BW1 wasn't all that great and the writers are just bringing back the old characters because they have ran out of ideas.

[Platinum fan.]

Yes, and guess what? They're going to work too! N, Misty, Brock, Charizard, Mewtwo all look like gimmicks to save the show. But it doesn't erase all the crap Bad Writing threw up before bringing this stuff. If they were smart they'd have Misty and Brock actually appear in the flesh to really get ratings up. At this point I'd say go for it? What does the Pokemon anime really have to lose now? I just hope they get it altogether for XY and really save the show. BW is beyond saving for me.

[AgentPierce]

This is just my opinion, but i think that BW1 wasn't all that great and the writers are just bringing back the old characters because they have ran out of ideas.

They "ran out of ideas". Right. The first time in years they haven't relied on a writing formula and started doing new things, and you call that them "running out of ideas".

Just because they're ideas you don't like doesn't make them not ideas.

I just hope they get it altogether for XY and really save the show. BW is beyond saving for me.

Yes, let's return to the safe and predictable days of AG and D/P with Ash, regional female Player Character co-star/fanservice provider, and Brock travelling around, meeting new people and Pokemon, having to deal with Team Rocket trying the same thing and repeating the same jokes over and over again, with many boring training episodes and the occasional plot-relevant ones like Gym battles, Contests, or regional evil team meetings. As long as it has awesome BATTLES and specifics that only the geeks in this fandom care about, it'll be great!

[CyberCubed]

Why did Misty return Cyber?

To give closure to Togepi's story and show her adjusting to her life as a Gym leader. They didn't make a big deal out of her return otherwise as she only got 2 episodes in Hoenn. After that just a Pallet town visit which is relatively unimportant all things considered.

They made a big deal promoting Dawn's return and her cameo had her doing nothing and losing to Iris early in a tournament.

[Graham Aker]

Yes, let's return to the safe and predictable days of AG and D/P with Ash, regional female Player Character co-star/fanservice provider, and Brock travelling around, meeting new people and Pokemon, having to deal with Team Rocket trying the same thing and repeating the same jokes over and over again, with many boring training episodes and the occasional plot-relevant ones like Gym battles, Contests, or regional evil team meetings. As long as it has awesome BATTLES and specifics that only the geeks in this fandom care about, it'll be great!

Like BW doesn't repeat the same tired and unfunny jokes they've done since it's start? Iris tired, overused and unfunny deadpan nature. Cilans overused tasting time. Bianca knoking Ash into the water. Stephan unfunny name gag. Way to ignore those, really nice job.

[Haunter227]

To give closure to Togepi's story

What exactly was it's closure? It never showed an interest in evolving ever.

and show her adjusting to her life as a Gym leader.

We never saw her do anything though.

She mentioned it sure, but that's hardly telling us that she's adjusting to the lifestyle.

They made a big deal promoting Dawn's return and her cameo had her doing nothing and losing to Iris early in a tournament.

That's a lie really, Dawn's promotion was mainly tied to the promotion of the brand new saga. Take away the promotion side of things though, yeah she did do nothing but none of the characters who return for a short period ever do besides Misty leaving Togetic behind.

[TheSirPeras]

To give closure to Togepi's story and show her adjusting to her life as a Gym leader. They didn't make a big deal out of her return otherwise as she only got 2 episodes in Hoenn. After that just a Pallet town visit which is relatively unimportant all things considered.

So Togepi evolving, totally unrelevant to the plot is less of a gimmick than Charizard coming back for Tp?

[Rohanator]

Like BW doesn't repeat the same tired and unfunny jokes they've done since it's start? Iris tired, overused and unfunny deadpan nature. Cilans overused tasting time. Bianca knoking Ash into the water. Stephan unfunny name gag. Way to ignore those, really nice job.

When was the last tasting time anyway? Like the nursery episode? Yeaaah. Also Kenyan's joke get nice closure at least imo.

[yuoke]

Every single season and region has had different overused gimmicks and jokes, that's just always part of the series. The only difference that that there has been in bw is the characterization of ash and team rocket. Cilan hasn't done any of his stuff for awhile though anyway , iris hasn't called ash a kid that much as of late.

[CyberCubed]

Togepi's metronome powers were built up ever since Orange Islands. Since the writing of Johto was terrible they didn't evolve it mid Johto like they should have. Her AG cameo was supposed to be the development she should have gotten in Johto.

[Doryuzu]

Like BW doesn't repeat the same tired and unfunny jokes they've done since it's start? Iris tired, overused and unfunny deadpan nature. Cilans overused tasting time. Bianca knoking Ash into the water. Stephan unfunny name gag. Way to ignore those, really nice job.

Iris doesn't use her kid comment nearly as much and Dento has done a tasting time since like the tag battle episode. The Kenyan gagged ended in the league.

[Haunter227]

Togepi's metronome powers were built up ever since Orange Islands.

Togepi's Metronome powers were just the same as Psyduck's confusion and Wobbufets Counter/Mirror Coat. They were special in the fact they were made to seem amazing, but nothing was ever 'built up'.

Since the writing of Johto was terrible they didn't evolve it mid Johto like they should have. Her AG cameo was supposed to be the development she should have gotten in Johto.

I agree it should have evolved in Johto, but it didn't and nothing ever said it would evolve in the first place. No hints, nothing.

Axew evolving into Fraxure before the end of BW, and returning for 2/3 episodes in Gen VI to evolve into Haxorus would be closure since it's wanted to evolve and Iris has been training it to do so.

[Platinum fan.]

This thread probably won't last very long. I see it being closed soon. I see BW is going to be one of those regions where talking about it after it ends will almost always end in debates. Because neither side seems to be getting anywhere.

[yuoke]

I think most people really want axew to evolve, bur I just don't see it happening with as marketable as he is, and we're getting close to the end. Plus we already know it won't by the movie.