By this I mean Ash, he's always the underdog approximately 99.99999% of the time, struggling to defeat even the most basic of opponents. Shouldn't he at least be able to show any degree of competency?
He does show degrees of competency. But they usually only happen near the middle and/or at the end of the saga.
And a show without an underdog protagonist is lame.
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And while a underdog character isn't bad, it's their development and growth that makes them truly good where we see them go from "fair" to "great." Sadly with Ash, it's not handled very well as others have point out. And don't get me started on BW...
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If you're not interested in developing a character anymore, and are just going to have them fluctuate wildly in competence because of how long they've been around...it's better to write them off, and have cameo's or appearance every now and then. At least with a new protagonist, we'd know we're actually following a NEW trainer.
Last edited by Graham Aker; 2nd March 2013 at 8:30 PM.
Ash has been training for years and he should at least be consistently a lot stronger than he is. If they want to keep him as the underdog, give him tougher opponents. Don't continually revert him to being a newbie.
Ash is a Shounen underdog archetype character. He will not win all the time. That's just that.
80% of the time, Ash is shown as too weak (BW especially).
Overall we know Ash is an incredibly strong trainer, however despite this the writers make every single battle a challenge for him. They always make it look like he's struggling to win (because of X Pokemon or X Stategy). This sucks, because when he does win it always makes it feel like he only just got away with it.
I missed the early episodes of Johto when Charizard was shown as too strong which Misty and Brock commented on. I also miss when Ash was too cocky for getting multiple wins in a row in AG, which ultimately Drake had to stop.
And no, with that I don't mean "Ash must beat everything in his path". Just... keep him more consistent.
No, he's just as he should be. No one wants a protagonist who's badass and completely unbeatable.
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But yeah, Satoshi can't win all the time not only that but he can't win against characters who logically he can't beat. I'd be raising an eyebrow if he WERE to win against Kotetsu or Takuto. Just saying.
As for Samurott and Lucario...Pikachu beat Samurott with barely any trouble. And Lucario was absolute bull. Riolu should not be KOing fully evolved Normal/Flying types and yet getting beaten terribly by Snivy
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The strength of a Pokemon doesn't automatically mean that his Trainer is strong, you know.
But... I think that during a battle a lot of factors influence the outcome of said match. And I feel that in BW Ash has been less creative than in previous regions.
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I really dislike the lack of consistency. Ash has traveled far and wide and should be really strong at this point, but the writers purposely ignore that because they're afraid that Ash would be too powerful if he used all the knowledge and experience he's accumulated throughout his journey. If they're really afraid that Ash would beat all the new trainers when he gets to a new region, why not introduce stronger trainers to begin with? Like, instead of all the rookie ones that he usually meets, he should meet trainers who have just as much experience as he does; this is assuming that the writers keep him at a high level instead of having him regress all the time of course.