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In your previous example, you lost me at Xenoblade. On the other hand, though, you appear to be the one getting worked and complaining now.
yeah it's not like people's perceptions are ever influenced by the media or culture they consume
To be honest, I don't think this is really exclusively a video game issue. Movies, TV shows, books, comics, and other forms of entertainment all utilize the Damsel in Distress (which I'll just shorten to DiD from here) trope, and have been long before Video Games have existed. It even says that in the video in question. So the point of this isn't "Omg Video games are evil sexist things". Is the trope overused? Definitely. However, I don't think it's quite as damning as they'd have us believe. Media of any sort can influence people, but it's only just that; influence. I believe that's what Jb was implying; just as not all people who play GTA will turn into violent killers, not all girls who play video games will be shoehorned into the traditionally "weak feminine" archetype. Media is just one influence, and it comes down to the individual to accept what they see, or reject it.
Some people are more susceptible to the media influences, and they're the ones most susceptible to the effects of stereotypes. Just as many, however, will play the games, and just reject what they see. Not every girl who plays a Mario game is going to suddenly turn around and think "I should be like Princess Peach because that's what this game is telling me".
Even so, I think the take home message here isn't "You shouldn't play these video games because they're sexist and that's bad". It's more a matter of wanting more diversity outside of the typical DiD/love interest/fanservice object tropes. And while I'd agree that a little more variety would be nice (especially with Mario, I found the plot
or lack thereoffor the New Super Mario Bros. games to be terribly lazy and uninspired), again, I'd have to say it's not quite the end-all damning effect on females that some might make it out to be. But that's just this guy's opinion, and I'm prepared for any backlash that might come my way as a result of saying this.
That said, I don't necessarily agree with all of the examples given, especially the Shiek -> Zelda one. But, that's another story altogether.
I make no claim of being perfect or always right. Take everything I say with a grain of salt.
My Friend Safari is horribly underwhelming, being a Fighting Safari with Machoke, Sawk, and Hariyama.
think about it: say i wanted to end conflict in the israel-palestine issue and were to start a movement to do that, would it be a good idea to call it "israelism"?
Now if someone else wants to deal with men's issues that's okay, but in order to sucessfully do so that means breaking down gender stereotypes and norms, not attacking feminists. (sadly so called "men's rights activists", end up doing the opposite which isn't doing anyone any favours and is just sending society backwards.)
Misogynist isn't an abused by term in the slightest however. I have yet to ever hear it used incorrectly.
*Particularly notable is that some feminists can be rather transphobic, which is in essence against true gender equality.
But in regards to the video. I thought it was pretty good. I was mostly enthused by all the obscure video game clips tossed in. (totally outside the point)
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I agree, if I wanted both genders to be equal.... yeah it makes a whole lot of sense. But at the same time, feminists feel strongly about women's rights and MRA's (contrary to popular belief) feel strongly about male double standards thus their movements focus primarily on such. I for one, feel strongly about stopping double standards (especially when it comes to men) but I don't go with either group. I guess I can say I'm just the person who hates double standards.
I also agree that like "homophobia", "misogynist" (even misandry) is a rather abused term in the political world and it makes me wonder if people even know what it means. Disagreeing with a feminist does not make you a woman hater.
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it's more so used emphatically to insult someone than it is to represent someone actually expressing the emotions of hating women and it being an ingrained part of their personality. i don't really know how to explain much further so i'll leave it as ambiguous as that
And if that's the case then there must be thousands that do not portray the two in the same light. You could find plenty of strong male characters, but strong female ones? It's not even close to as many strong males you can find.
It's a funny old world when a person with nothing radical, revolutionary or really worthwhile to say can get 160k donated to her because of a few moronic trolls.
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yeah, you'd know a lot about not having anything worthwhile to say, wouldn't you
i'm glad you recognize i am part of misc's a-list, not sure how thats relevant to this thread though
any more sexist / pointlessly argumentative posts will be infracted
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She has a one-sided view, for starters. From what I had saw, she implied that only females are affected negatively by this consequence. Some tropes would portray women incorrectly as a consequence, but there are other tropes that consequently portray men negatively as well. And there are some tropes that affect both genders in a bad way, albeit differently. For more details, go here: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...DoubleStandard
It also seems to me that she thinks tropes are inflexible and rigid, in that, for example, the Distressed Damsel is not necessary female. Though it has a specific male counterpart.
This is an easy one:
-Princess Peach typical blonde, the femme and damsal in distress.
-Zelda *always* needs to be rescued by Link. Her main role is to play the damsel in distress while Link is obviously the hero. At least she aids Link in some ways with her rescue.
-Beauty queens typical blondes who usually have weak pokemon
-The women tend to have sexually suggestive poses, like the Ace Trainers in BW which are presented with the female character bending down so that the gamer gets a good look at their bum. Meanwhile the male Ace Trainers are shown in a dominant standing positions. Additionally the outfits for women Ace Trainers are also highly sexual in nature, kinda reminds me of prostitutes.
-The battle girl teams often remind me of butch and femme lesbians for some reason. I think the more butch ones tend to say things like "I failed to protect so and so" or something like that.
-The earlier games often featured girls who hated bugs, which is very stereotypical.
-Almost all of the girls prefer to use cute, pink pokemon and say things like "I may have lost but my pokemon is still cute" and "my pokemon is cute and strong."
-The fact that the "young couples" in the game are always a plain looking guy with a pretty blonde, altra femme and when they are shown the femme always has one of her legs thrown into the air for all to see.
-In general the pokemon games tend to focus on blonde stereotypical versions of women.