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    Quote Originally Posted by marioluigifan05 View Post
    Kingdra and Electrode are underrated.
    For Kingdra I completely agree. Top notch rain and sun counter. Once Ferrothorn is out of the way, and it gets a DD or two, or just a sub up for the special set it can just wreck havoc. When used right it can be simply devastating. As for Electrode...please explain lol

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    Electrode: Excellent speed, Magnet Rise, can take advantage of Volt Switch thanks to said Speed (to prevent lock-ins, although Dugtrio is a problem -___-),etc.

    Not mentioning Explosion because of the nerf.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OceanicLanturn View Post
    vs Landorus-T: True, however, after rocks, Ferrothorn has a chance to 2HKO Landorus-T. And that's with a +Def nature. Most Landorus-T run Adamant anyways. Adamant Landorus-T has 10% chance of getting 2HKO'd. After rocks, it's a firm 2HKO. Landorus can't touch Ferrothorn with its standard Rock/EQ/U-Turn/Stone Edge set anyways, so it can't switch in.

    vs Gyarados: I'm pretty sure no Gyarados runs max HP and Def. Most are just offensive oriented. The two sets I've seen: RestTalk and Bulky Support are rare. Anyways, with rocks support, there's a chance to 2HKO Dos. Anyways, the two sets can't do much to Ferro either. Most Gyara that try to switch in usually goes for Taunt, at least I think so.

    vs Scizor: Nothing to say there. It's a hard counter, but I'm pretty sure the Iron Barb damage might hurt.

    vs Dragonite: Using your statistics, Ferrothorn can 2HKO after SR. If Dragonite doesn't carry Fire Punch then... The set is parashuffling right? Ain't got anything on Ferro.

    vs Cress: Like what Sparkbeat said, ain't got anything on Ferro. Ferro still wins.

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    The bottomline is that, you aren't us CB Ferro correctly. It isn't supposed to be Terrakion, come in and proceed to beat everything. CB Ferro's main selling point is its large bulk, accompanied by its large array of resistances and unpredictableness. Also, Ferrothorn needs some team support to make use fully.
    Dragonite's set is indeed parashuffling, but some Parashufflers carry Flamethrower instead of Thunder Wave.

    Quote Originally Posted by marioluigifan05 View Post
    Electrode: Excellent speed, Magnet Rise, can take advantage of Volt Switch thanks to said Speed (to prevent lock-ins, although Dugtrio is a problem -___-),etc.

    Not mentioning Explosion because of the nerf.
    Please explain how does that make Electrode better than Thundurus-T or Galvantula, or Rotom-W. Magnet Rise? Thundurus-T has an additional Flying type, Galvantula is not weak to ground-type attacks and Rotom-W has Levitate. Excellent speed? Fine, but Thundurus-T and Rotom-W can use a Choice Scarf and hit hard right off the bat. And as for Volt Switch, well, the three I've mentioned can use it as well.

    The only reason to use Electrode in my opinion is to set up Rain Dance or Sunny Day, but even then, Politoed and Ninetales are here for a reason.

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    True, they can use Volt Switch, but they're not AS fast, and so can't utilize it as well. Same goes for MR I suppose.

    Also I never once said it was better.
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    I'd say that Magikarp is REALLY underrated. It is great if you use Flail and use IVs/EVs on it in Competitive Battling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UbersSuck20 View Post
    Dragonite's set is indeed parashuffling, but some Parashufflers carry Flamethrower instead of Thunder Wave.
    But it'll just be 'shuffling', it won't be PARA shuffling

    Electrode is only decent in NU. I've came to like it, but it isn't very strong tbh. It's pretty fast though, but I think the zebra should get more credit due to the fact that it can learn Overheat.

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    I have to put Porygon2 in there.

    He's got titanic defenses, very high HP, and the Download ability to boot. All it takes is moderate investments in defense and plenty in special attack, and he becomes a monster. ~320 or more in each defense, 374 HP, and a 508 special attack stat after a Download boost, coupled with Recover, make this a force to be reckoned with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marioluigifan05 View Post
    True, they can use Volt Switch, but they're not AS fast, and so can't utilize it as well. Same goes for MR I suppose.

    Also I never once said it was better.
    On the contrary. Fast users of Volt Switch may get out ASAP, but slower, bulkier users (i.e., Rotom-W) afford the incoming Pokemon a free switch, since it'll take the attack instead of the incoming one.

    Electrode may be fast but all it's other stats are generally crummy. Can't take a hit, and barely packs a punch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmic Fury View Post
    I have to put Porygon2 in there.

    He's got titanic defenses, very high HP, and the Download ability to boot. All it takes is moderate investments in defense and plenty in special attack, and he becomes a monster. ~320 or more in each defense, 374 HP, and a 508 special attack stat after a Download boost, coupled with Recover, make this a force to be reckoned with.
    I think pyrogon2 is pretty well established as a beast and a half.
    Personally i think jynx, Miltank and mandibuzz get a raw deal.
    Once jynx gets a nasty plot boost she's a special tyrant with two powerful STABs to abuse, and dry skin makes her perfect for a rain team.
    Miltank has three great abilities at her disposal and is quit diverse.
    Mandibuzz is a great toxic stall phaser and owns RU
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    ^Jynx suffers from the "Hydreigon syndrome". She's just too slow. She also lacks priority moves. At least Breloom has Mach Punch.
    Miltank.... There are just way too many Fighting-types.
    I agree with Mandibuzz.
    Quote Originally Posted by OceanicLanturn View Post
    But it'll just be 'shuffling', it won't be PARA shuffling

    Electrode is only decent in NU. I've came to like it, but it isn't very strong tbh. It's pretty fast though, but I think the zebra should get more credit due to the fact that it can learn Overheat.
    ParaShuffler Dragonite can use Flamethrower and have some of its teammates use Thunder Wave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UbersSuck20 View Post
    ^Jynx suffers from the "Hydreigon syndrome". She's just too slow. She also lacks priority moves. At least Breloom has Mach Punch.
    Miltank.... There are just way too many Fighting-types.
    I agree with Mandibuzz.


    ParaShuffler Dragonite can use Flamethrower and have some of its teammates use Thunder Wave.
    I have battled Parashuffler Nite and not once has it ever had Flamethrower, and it was partnered with a ScarfRachi for flinch hax. I'm sorry, but no one runs Flamethrower on ParaShuffler Nite.

    Jynx - It's actually a really nice rain counter, once priority it out of the way.
    Miltank - Like UberSucks said, too many fighting types, and 80 Atk kinda sucks in OU :/ Along with meh SDef and no useful resistances.
    Mandibuzz - It's nice on stall sometimes. Rotom-W and Thundurus-T are annoying for it, along with TTar and Terrakion. It can work, but needs to have its weaknesses covered well. It's also outclassed by Skarmory as a mixed wall imo, since they get beat by generally the same things (Rain boosted Hydro Pumps won't be nice on Mandi either) and outclassed by Jellicent and Gastrodon as a special wall.

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    Lol guys this thread isn't restricted to OU only.

    I personally find Miltank decent in Nu though. It's a good supporter, but it just falls to Socks.

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    | ExtremeSpeed 60.486% |
    | Dragon Dance 57.246% |
    | Outrage 54.480% |
    | Fire Punch 48.422% |
    | Earthquake 36.693% |
    | Roost 28.990% |
    | Dragon Claw 24.819% |
    | Hurricane 14.959% |
    | Thunder 10.588% |
    | Superpower 8.831% |
    | Dragon Tail 8.654% |
    | Substitute 7.579% |
    | Draco Meteor 7.479% |
    | Thunder Wave 6.729% |
    | Waterfall 4.835% |

    Flamethrower is not on this list, while only 6.7% of all Dragonite ran Thunder Wave. Hmmmmmmmmm....
    Though Smogon says ParaShuffling Dragonite can run Flamethrower if it has paralysis support from something like Jirachi with Thunder.

    As for Miltank, it doesn't work in tiers above RU.

    I've found Sceptile to be surprisingly useful in UU with a combination of Focus Sash and Unburden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UbersSuck20 View Post
    I've found Sceptile to be surprisingly useful in UU with a combination of Focus Sash and Unburden.
    Agree with you here. The sheer unpredictability of Sceptile is great. I've thought of running Acrobats with the Special Attacking Set just to bluff a physical set, so when they send out their physical was I can get another KO. Sceptile is really a great Pokemon in the lower tiers.

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    I don't really post sets for UU. For OU? That's the reason I love this thread!

    Has anyone tried a specially bulky Latios set? I find those to be very effective against many of its counters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmic Fury View Post
    I don't really post sets for UU. For OU? That's the reason I love this thread!

    Has anyone tried a specially bulky Latios set? I find those to be very effective against many of its counters.
    I can see it helping against starmie some, but not really anything else :/ For its counters, Sdef Rachi is a physical attacker, as is TTar, Scizor, and Mamoswine. Honestly I don't know what Special bulk would be doing for you :/ And if you want it to be bulkier then just use Latias so you can still go 252 Spa / 252 Spd

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    I'd like to say Cress is pretty under rated. I think I was using a specially defensive one earlier and it took 30% from a gengars shadow ball. Seriously, give that a little thought. As long as your not running rain/ sand it's pretty solid. Even if you are running a weather less team you could always throw on sunny day (since people tend to sac their weather starters ASAP when you don't run weather)


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    Zebstrika. I once took out a guy's Scizor and then proceeded to sweep his entire team afterwards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Szayel View Post
    Zebstrika. I once took out a guy's Scizor and then proceeded to sweep his entire team afterwards.
    Beating a random person isn't necessarily a compelling argument for why a Pokemon is underrated.

    Poor defenses, average (at best) offenses, and a crappy movepool all work against Zebstrika. Yeah, it gets fire attacks, but it gets generally outclassed by Jolteon (who is faster and stronger), Thundurus-T (who hits monumentally harder), Rotom-W, Magnezone, Raikou, and Zapdos (all of whom have considerably more bulk than Zebstrika). There's just so many better electric types that Zebstrika isn't really underrated at all. It has one good stat, and that's speed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KillerDraco View Post
    Beating a random person isn't necessarily a compelling argument for why a Pokemon is underrated.

    Poor defenses, average (at best) offenses, and a crappy movepool all work against Zebstrika. Yeah, it gets fire attacks, but it gets generally outclassed by Jolteon (who is faster and stronger), Thundurus-T (who hits monumentally harder), Rotom-W, Magnezone, Raikou, and Zapdos (all of whom have considerably more bulk than Zebstrika). There's just so many better electric types that Zebstrika isn't really underrated at all. It has one good stat, and that's speed.
    That was one scenario. The reason why I think Zebstrika is underrated is because people play Zebstrika the wrong way (IMHO). People, like you, assume that Zebstrika is a special sweeper, when it honestly works out better as a physical sweeper instead. My moveset with Zebstrika is Swagger, Wild Charge, Flame Charge, and Protect. Since we all know that Zebstrika's defenses are horrible, swagger isn't too much of a issue. Also, you can use protect to get in a confusion hit or two. This with a life orb and a physically-promoting nature can work wonders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Szayel View Post
    That was once scenario. The reason why I think Zebstrika is underrated is because people play Zebstrika the wrong way (IMHO). People, like you, assume that Zebstrika is a special sweeper, when it honestly works out better as a physical sweeper instead. My moveset with Zebstrika is Swagger, Wild Charge, Flame Charge, and Protect. Since we all know that Zebstrika's defenses are horrible, swagger isn't too much of a issue. Also, you can use protect to get in a confusion hit or two. This with a life orb and physically-promoting nature can work wonders.
    Problem is it's walled to hell and back by many, many common things (Dragons, Gastrodon, Tyranitar, Hippowdon, Landorus, Donphan, Gliscor), any Lum Berry user (such as Dragonite or Toxicroak) gets a free Swords Dance from Swagger, and many common priority attacks (Mach Punch, Extreme Speed, Aqua Jet, Ice Shard) will 1HKO it with ease. Plus Swagger is a risky move that can screw you over, making it unreliable. Even as a physical attacker, Zebstrika's crappy movepool limits its effectiveness. The reason most people go special is because it has more options, and it needs HP Ice to prevent it from being walled as easily as physical sets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Szayel View Post
    That was one scenario. The reason why I think Zebstrika is underrated is because people play Zebstrika the wrong way (IMHO). People, like you, assume that Zebstrika is a special sweeper, when it honestly works out better as a physical sweeper instead. My moveset with Zebstrika is Swagger, Wild Charge, Flame Charge, and Protect. Since we all know that Zebstrika's defenses are horrible, swagger isn't too much of a issue. Also, you can use protect to get in a confusion hit or two. This with a life orb and a physically-promoting nature can work wonders.
    No one uses Special Zebstrika ._. the only special move to even consider running is volt switch for momentum. Zeb gets killed by prio, is outsped by a ton of the metagame, and is weak as heck. Sure it gets flame charge, but it's weak as heck. And its walled by so much, any dragon, celebi, jirachi, etc. Its in the trash pit of NU for a reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Szayel View Post
    Zebstrika. I once took out a guy's Scizor and then proceeded to sweep his entire team afterwards.
    Zebstrika is so frail even Bullet Punch does a number on it. (~40-50%, too lazy to do the calcs now)

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    252+ Atk Choice Band Technician Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Zebstrika: 117-138 (40.06 - 47.26%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

    252 SpA Life Orb Zebstrika Overheat vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Scizor: 681-806 (198.54 - 234.98%) -- guaranteed OHKO

    Of course, throw in LO recoil, entry hazards, and the fact that there are a plethora of other priority users, it's more likely that the guy above had a shitty opponent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparkbeat View Post
    No one uses Special Zebstrika ._. the only special move to even consider running is volt switch for momentum. Zeb gets killed by prio, is outsped by a ton of the metagame, and is weak as heck. Sure it gets flame charge, but it's weak as heck. And its walled by so much, any dragon, celebi, jirachi, etc. Its in the trash pit of NU for a reason.
    Woah woah waoh, time out.

    First of all, everyone uses special Zebstrika. It's literally the only set worth using. I'm not sure where you're getting that its only good special attack is Volt Switch when it gets excellent coverage between Electric STAB, Overheat, and HP Grass. Physical Zebstrika is completely terrible, especially seeing as how your best coverage moves are Return, Double Kick, and Flame Charge.

    Zebstrika is no more priority weak than many common OU Pokemon. Even Adamant CB Breloom's Technician Mach Punch can't OHKO it from full health. Terrakion has more priority problems than Zebstrika does. Zebstrika is also not outsped by a ton of the metagame. Seriously, if there's one thing that's actually great about Zebstrika, it's its speed stat. It outspeeds every unboosted Pokemon in OU besides Alakazam, Dugtrio, and Jolteon.

    Also, NU is not a "trash pit," it's a great balanced metagame. Up until March when Ubers had a sudden surge in popularity, NU was the third most popular balanced metagame out there (even now it's just barely behind Ubers).

    As for Zebstrika in OU, it's not so much that it's underrated, just that it's plain bad. Special sets are the only remotely good ones, but that low base 80 SpA stat really weighs it down. Even if it manages to get a LightningRod boost, Zebstrika is still a tiny bit weaker than Thundurus-T, and the extra speed isn't that much of an advantage when Thundurus-T gets Agility (Zebstrika does too, but it's not really helping him outspeed anything that Thundurus-T wouldn't already beat at +2). Even as low as RU, I'd rather just use Manectric. It may be slower, but it still has a great speed stat itself, as well as a good deal more power, Switcheroo for Choice sets, and the option of using Flamethrower over Overheat on non-Choice sets.

    Now, I would say that Zebstrika is a bit underrated in NU, although its usage has actually been on the rise lately since it makes a great check now to some of the new drop-downs. Zebstrika is one of the few Pokemon that can outspeed Scolipede without a Choice Scarf, and it easily OHKOs with Overheat. It also makes a decent check to Jynx, again OHKOing with Overheat. Another cool thing about Zebstrika is that it makes such a great Choice Scarf user due to its naturally high speed, letting it run a Modest nature and still beat positive nature base 100s. This includes the popular new Scarf Primeape, which Zebstrika can bring down if it comes in after Primeape uses Close Combat or if Primape has already taken ~40% damage, as well as the occasional Scarf Jynx.

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