Tested SubPetaya Empoleon in the rain. Gosh, he's so amazing imo.
Empoleon @ Petaya Berry
12 HP / 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 238 Spe
- Surf / Hydro Pump
- Hidden Power [Grass] / Ice Beam
Most of people forget that Empoleon has a good ability to sweep. +1 Empoleon totally beast. The EVs that spread into HP because you only need 3 subs instead of 4 subs with the original set one. Then you also get boosted by Torrent that boost the Water type attack on the pinch (<25% of HP). +1 Empoleon OHKO Skarmory, Thundurus-T, Scizor, Magnezone, Forretress in the rain with STAB Surf, 2HKO Keldeo, Rotom-W with HP Grass. And if you pick Ice Beam over HP Grass, you could also kill many dragons that locked into Outrage. Personally, I liked HP Grass better because it hits thread like ScarfKeldeo locked into Hydro Pump. And Surf can 2HKO most dragons in the rain. But Empoleon can't stand to face Ferrothorn and Blissey. Even with +1, Empoleon only can 3HKO them. Despite cannot take Ferrothorn and Blissey out, Empoleon still has Agility to outspeed some Scarfer. Gives him the perfect speed to sweep. Some people think that Empoleon is a underrated sweeper. But I think, Empoleon is great in OU. He can also teammates by Thundurus-T who coverage his weakness. They coverage each other very well. They check thread like Rotom-W and ScarfKeldeo.
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The problems with SubPetaya Empoleon are:
1. Getting that Substitute / Agility. Even with its Steel typing, 60 base speed sucks. Also, Keldeo is everywhere and that stupid Scarf variant will outspeed and revenge kill Empoleon even at +2. Same for Terrakion and Latios.
2. The competition it faces from Keldeo.
Not that it sucks, but there's a reason it's not very common.
I feel like Hippo deserves more usage. It's mixed special defensive set takes literally every hit I have ever needed it to and it almost always asks for seconds. I've used TTar quite a bit but I find weather wars soooo much easier with Hippo it isn't funny
TBH 100% honest, Flareon *hides in corner* Nah, im just kidding, it is really good. It has all it needs between Guts+Flame Charge+Facade or, you can end a BP chain with it, it gets Stored Power+Fire Blast+HP [Grass]+Signal Beam to murder everything after a few boosts. IMO, it should be UU. SR Is NOT everything, and not every physical fire type needs flare Blitz! Such as Houndoom (Mixed) is in UU without Flare blitz!
Hipp+Ttar is pretty nice
I agree. Although I usually use Ttar, Hippodown's great defense and bulk is really amazing. Being able to take a +2 Close Combat from Adamant Lucario is no easy feat. (Skamory is KO'd (87.5% of the time) after Stealth Rocks and Forretress is KO'd about half the time.)I feel like Hippo deserves more usage. It's mixed special defensive set takes literally every hit I have ever needed it to and it almost always asks for seconds. I've used TTar quite a bit but I find weather wars soooo much easier with Hippo it isn't funny
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Gliscor is pretty much forgotten even though its really strong. And Tropius, even though it cant evolve, has decent stats, a nice move pool, and its typing is really uncommon. Same with skarmory.
Tropius suffers from piss-poor speed, a stealth rock weakness, and its decent bulk is sabotaged by its 4x weakness to Ice. It's stuck in the low tiers for a reason, and struggles to counter Fighting and Water types due to its poor speed and weaknesses. Something like Sawk, Gorebyss, or Samurott will almost always have an ice type attack and swiftly dispatch of Tropius before it can even move. And if it tries to switch in? Hah. No, Tropius is pretty bad. Not underrated because its flaws are too abundant.
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what a lot of the people posting here need to realize is that a lot of the things suggested here aren't underrated, they just legitimately suck more than blue harvest
(that is a lot btw)
Well now that this thread seems to be alive again . . . lately I have been using Hitmonlee quite a bit and I find it to be a very good late game sweeper/revenge killer with Unburden. With Fake Out/Hi Jump Kick/Sucker Punch/Earthquake(Or Stone Edge) it is able to check a good amount of the OU metagame especially with hazards up and outspeed any unboosted Pokemon in the entire tier and some Scarfers with a speed of over 500.
It's offensive power is very weak, and you'll need to pull off several dragon dances in order to truly be an offensive threat. However, it's HP, defense, and resistances aren't very impressive, so this probably won't happen much. As for it's typing...it's uncommon, but that doensn't instantly mean useful. It may be able to handle opposing grass types a bit better, thanks to it's flying STAB, but with it's low speed, low power, and Ice/Rock weakness, it won't be countering the stone edge carrying fighting types or ice beam carrying water types very well.
In short...Tropius's stats and typing don't provide it with enough to justify it's weaknesses, while Dragonite's stats, typing, and moves do.
Not sure if anyone said mentioned these but: Chansey and Blissey
Remember back in the good old days of 4th gen blissey was THE most common special wall. Literally. EVERYONE had a blissey. The metagame was pretty much centralized around blissey and how to counter it.
With the arrival of eviolite, chansey gained notable attention in the early to mid BW meta on stall teams. But alas, they've both fallen from grace as stall has pretty much died out. Nowadays,
blissey is sitting at #35 and chansey at #56 in usage statistics. For a period of time, Blissey was even suspected for UU. It's a shame, really. They're both highly underrated.
Yes, they're countered by a large portion of the meta, but if you use them effectively, they can still offer amazing team support. It's too bad most people don't know how to use them effectively...
This is why we have team support. Obviously you would not keep a chansey/blissey in on a keldeo. That's like saying "How do I counter terrakion witth my blissey?"
a big problem with blissey is that so many special attackers have good ways around it. latios can kill it in two hits with psyshock or trick a specs on to it. keldeo has secret sword of course. reuniclus has psyshock too, and rotom-w has trick as well. thundurs-t is so insanely strong that it actually 2hkos after a nasty plot even with a non boosting item. unless blissey has thunder wave or fire blast or something, venusaur just sets up on it and then spams giga drain. you might be able to take on volcarona, unless it's in the sun, in which case more offensive sets 2hko you with fire blast after a quiver dance boost. you only beat a few special attackers, like starmie and jolteon. there are other specially based pokemon that you can handle with blissey such as tentacruel and jellicent, but they are usually much weaker support pokemon, and it's not very impressive when you wall a support pokemon.
i wouldnt say that blissey is underrated, just that she's not that great in this metagame.
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