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  • Charizard

    55 47.41%
  • Snorlax

    2 1.72%
  • Heracross

    1 0.86%
  • Infernape

    9 7.76%
  • Kingler

    4 3.45%
  • Mijumaru

    12 10.34%
  • Pikachu

    21 18.10%
  • Sceptile

    8 6.90%
  • Krookodile

    1 0.86%
  • Other

    3 2.59%
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    I'm choosing Pikachu, 'cause he seems to be the best choice at times, I always thought all of Ash's Pokemon should be really strong but Pikachu will always be go to kind of Pokemon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mew2 View Post
    Actually, Pikachu's inconsistency is everything. He is not consistently Ash's strongest Pokémon compared to Charizard. Charizard has beaten a legendary of his own. And if you really look at it and average things out, Pikachu has had more bad losses that great wins. For great wins/ties, he has Regice (victory) and Latios (tie after Latios fought two other Pokémon). However, for bad losses/ties, he has Trip's beginner Snivy, Panpour (both losses), and the tie against Elekid. Heck, before tying against Elekid, Pikachu lost to Gary's Electivire, the same Gary who had been out of practice battling for a time since he was a researcher, though I don't count that as a bad loss. Also remember that Charizard's only "bad" loss was not due to his own strength or lack thereof, but due to Ash's idiocy. His only noticeable loss since his training at the Charicific Valley began that was not influenced by Ash being stupid was Blaziken's pyrrhic victory over him. As for Charizard's greatest wins, he defeated Articuno, a Legendary Pokémon. Also against Gary, he beat three of Gary's Pokémon, two of who had a type advantage against him, with Golem having a severe type advantage against him. That is why Charizard is seen as Ash's strongest Pokémon.
    I kinda noticed that when ever Charizard loses Ash gets blamed but when other Pokemon of his lose its their fault what is that about?? I think Charizard messes up alot to even tho he trains like crazy he still isnt the best battler so may be he should be blamed for his flaws. If other Pokemon are responsible for losing then Charizard should be to cuz thats only fair.

    I voted for Pikachu cuz even tho his level drops a lot he still has more experience than any Pokemon of Ashs and that makes him automatically the strongest I think

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mew2 View Post
    Actually, Pikachu's inconsistency is everything.
    But this thread isn't about who is Ash's most consistently strong Pokemon. It's about which is his strongest. That's Pikachu.

    Unless the correct answer is actually his strongest is Charizard but on occasion Pikachu blows him out of the water.

    Oh, and Charizard is just as much to blame for his losses as Ash is. The trainer is only one half of a whole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ke$ha View Post
    I kinda noticed that when ever Charizard loses Ash gets blamed but when other Pokemon of his lose its their fault what is that about??
    Because that is, indeed, the reason why Charizard lost to Brandon's Dusclops. There is no other way around that. It's shown on screen. They were fighting evenly until Ash made that glaring and idiotic mistake. That and his battle against Blaziken were his only losses since returning from the Charicific Valley. Pikachu, on the other hand, has lost many times, though I will admit that he also has a larger body of work. Still, that does not negate that Pikachu's bad outings are far worse than Charizard's bad outings, particularly if you compare post-Charicific Valley Charizard. And remember that Charizard was already pretty strong before hand. In addition, freezing was mentioned in previous posts. Do remember that in Generation 1, the Frozen condition was a defeat in all but name since Pokémon never thawed. That was not the case in later generations and the animé represented that. Pikachu's bad losses and ties, on the other hand, are not because Ash called for a Fighting-type move against as Ghost-type Pokémon when he should already know the outcome. They are because Pikachu's power is at best inconsistent. And remember, Pikachu's terrible showings outnumber his good showings. You're more likely to get the Pikachu that lost to Trip's beginner Snivy than the Pikachu that beat Regice and tied with Latios. On the other hand, Charizard's good showings outnumber his bad showings. And in his worst showing, there is no doubt that trainer error played a significant role in his loss there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepsi_Plunge View Post
    Tied now but its a shame Charizard is somehow winning isn't it?
    I don't find it too surprising, even to this day it's the only Pokemon people can name correctly who haven't once even played, watched, or heard of Pokemon. I wasn't kidding when I said Charizard was the most overrated, he even appeared in Gameinformers top 10 dragons despite not being an "official" dragon itself
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    Quote Originally Posted by diakyu View Post
    The fact that Pikachu's power fluctuates means nothing lol. We know that at times Pikachu is stronger than Charizard. End of story.

    And Pikachu is forced to be weak at times. If Charizard had stayed on Ash's team as long Pikachu has, he would of had some very embarrassing loses by know, and Dusclops was bad enough.

    Edit: Let me try this. Charizard has never experienced a hard reset like Pikachu has, so he comes off as stronger. But it's a all just kind of a illusion. Pikachu has been weakened because Ash would just wipe the floor if he used Pikachu at max potential. That would be a pretty boring thing to watch. Charizard always seems strong because there is never a need to weaken him.

    There is a rule to judging Charizard and Pikachu together. When comparing them, you always compare regular charizard and Pikachu at his full potential (usually at the end of each saga). Pikachu is stronger at the end of each saga. Just look at the fight against Tobias and Brandon.

    Edit 2: Wait, isn't picking the strongest an opinion? I mean, there is no way to know which is actually it since there are so many factors.
    You're making excuses. Excuses, excuses, excuses.

    Pikachu having "hard resets" is not some get out of jail free card. Pikachu's "hard resets" make him weaker. You cannot ignore them or use them as a reason that Pikachu is actually stronger. Using Pikachu's writing as an excuse is just as bad. Yes, if Pikachu had levelled evenly he would wipe the floor with anything, but - and I'm going to put this in italics so it sinks in - the writers are the gods of this universe. They choose to make Pikachu weaker to make battles closer and more interesting. And since they dictate what happens, which Pokemon is strong and which is weak, Pikachu is weak. You don't get to say "Pikachu's only weak because of writing necessity!" because it's not a necessity. Pikachu's weakness, his losses to Panpour, are as much a part of his character as his tie with Latios. Because the writers dictate that to be so. You have to take the rough with the smooth.

    It also speaks volumes that people constantly come back to Dusclops and Blaziken - two losses. Pikachu has so many embarrassing losses that people can't even remember the worst one anymore!

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    On second thought, I'm not going to get involved with this since it doesn't matter in the end.

    Pikachu is his strongest Pokemon. Charizard is second.
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    Well, I voted Other becauseq I believe Glalie is the strongest of them all.

    I mean, seriously, it was strong in all it's battles, because it hadn't gotten a humiliating loss since it wasn't used in the BF or Sinnoh.

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    Oshawott is Ash's strongest Pokemon.

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    hmm tough to say I think I would say sceptile because out of Pikachu, charizard and Sceptile, Sceptile took out the Highest ranked legendary.

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    Charizard is Ash's strongest Pokémon, He's a great battler too.
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    Pikachu, if we rule out all the resets he's gotten through years.


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    Why is Heracross and Kingler even in this poll?

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    I'd say Pikachu, but only when he's at his prime (like his BF/DP self and after recovering from the reset). Otherwise, Charizard and Sceptile.
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    I'm going for Charizard. That giant fire dragon alike pokémon is seriously strong .-.

    Pikachu would have gotten my vote if he never lost gainst that snivy xD. Somehow... Sometimes pikachu seems really strong amd sometimes he is so weak... Is he forever stuck at level 50 or something?
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    Charizard I think has the title down, it trains in a more intense manor than any of Ash's other pokemon do, though it is not undefeatable and Brandon showed what Charizard's flaw is in the battle with dusclops.

    I know some people like to think Pikachu is the strongest, but the constant fluxations the writers put it through doesn't cut, besides not everyone's starter is their best pokemon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mew2 View Post
    Because that is, indeed, the reason why Charizard lost to Brandon's Dusclops. There is no other way around that. It's shown on screen. They were fighting evenly until Ash made that glaring and idiotic mistake. That and his battle against Blaziken were his only losses since returning from the Charicific Valley. Pikachu, on the other hand, has lost many times, though I will admit that he also has a larger body of work. Still, that does not negate that Pikachu's bad outings are far worse than Charizard's bad outings, particularly if you compare post-Charicific Valley Charizard. And remember that Charizard was already pretty strong before hand. In addition, freezing was mentioned in previous posts. Do remember that in Generation 1, the Frozen condition was a defeat in all but name since Pokémon never thawed. That was not the case in later generations and the animé represented that. Pikachu's bad losses and ties, on the other hand, are not because Ash called for a Fighting-type move against as Ghost-type Pokémon when he should already know the outcome. They are because Pikachu's power is at best inconsistent. And remember, Pikachu's terrible showings outnumber his good showings. You're more likely to get the Pikachu that lost to Trip's beginner Snivy than the Pikachu that beat Regice and tied with Latios. On the other hand, Charizard's good showings outnumber his bad showings. And in his worst showing, there is no doubt that trainer error played a significant role in his loss there.
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    My vote goes to Charizard. I wish they make him a bit bigger though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1rkhachatryan View Post
    Damn it where is the love button Serebii???!?!?!?!?!?!!

    Everybody read this post please.

    And really?? Mijumaru with more votes then Snorlax and Sceptile?? *weeps*
    LOL Snorlax or Sceptile could easily defeat Mijumaru.

    When it comes to fighting with a Pokemon bigger than him, Mijumaru gets scared and tries to run from battle.
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    Oshawott is third? Please, all of Ash's other Pokemon on that list could easily faint Oshawott with the flick of a hand... >.>

    I voted Infernape, as we seen that with Blaze.... yeah.

    Why haven't we seen Charizard with his Blaze activated?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newpokemontrainer View Post
    LOL Snorlax or Sceptile could easily defeat Mijumaru.

    When it comes to fighting with a Pokemon bigger than him, Mijumaru gets scared and tries to run from battle.
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    Well, I say Pikachu, because I have NEVER seen another Pokemon hit a Pokemon with a move that's supposed to be 0% effective, like Pikachu. Hits a Donphan with an electrical attack (1st Movie). Also, Pilachu seems the strongest willed, not fighting the Pikachu clone (also 1st movie).
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    Quote Originally Posted by MidnightFennekin View Post
    Oshawott is third? Please, all of Ash's other Pokemon on that list could easily faint Oshawott with the flick of a hand... >.>
    *Shrugs* The votes say otherwise. That Oshawott reign just won't let up.

    I'm both surprised and pressed that Pikachu isn't winning though. I mean he's Ash's main Pokemon and he's won some of the most impressive battles to date imo. I mean sure I think Pikachu can be overrated some times, but the fact of the matter is he's a powerhouse when the writers don't downgrade his power level imo.

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    Oh, and if Pikachu gained experience like in the games, and carried them over through the seasons, he would be Lv.400+ or something...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charmed View Post
    *Shrugs* The votes say otherwise. That Oshawott reign just won't let up.

    I'm both surprised and pressed that Pikachu isn't winning though. I mean he's Ash's main Pokemon and he's won some of the most impressive battles to date imo. I mean sure I think Pikachu can be overrated some times, but the fact of the matter is he's a powerhouse when the writers don't downgrade his power level imo.
    Pikachu is weak until he gets himself back on top briefly, not the otherway around. Personally i believe pikachu gets too much of its supposed power from plot favoritism.

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