Lmfao Mijumaru and Pikachu are almost tied xD.
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Well Charizard is the strongest pokemon no doubt. No body on Ash's team is more powerful than Charizard. Snorlax is strong but not stronger than Charizard and only does so well because nobody can hurt his belly. Heracross could be up there as it is pretty strong but definately not the strongest. Hard to go Pikachu as well considering it can beat or lose to anything.
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No-one sais charizard is infallible.
U'r adressing the only real loss charizard ever suffered, don't u see how ironic that is? Also, that 'mere dusclops wa part of the strongest fronteir-brain's team, which he prlly used to catch the legendary regis, not a baby snivy from a noob-trainer or panpour from the 1st gym-leader in the region.
And to rop it off, charizard lost cause of Ash derping like a retard when chosing his finishing move.
Argueing that charizard was equally at fault for following orders is just as retarded and makes no sense.
I find it incredible ppl keep nitpicking about this one loss...
Which is exactly the same for swellow btw. That thing was a seccond snorlax untill it got 1-hit KO'ed by latios. (scape-goat much?)
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Charizard and Pikachu.
Krookodile and Oshawott should not be here.
Lol, Oshawott has 9 votes.
Oh great, another breeding ground for the Charizard fundies.
Feel free to vote Charizard all you want folks, at the end of the day Ash will always choose Pikachu in a heartbeat
Zard's return ep proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Charizard is the strongest.
No other Pokemon in Ash's arsenal would be put on that kind of pedestal. Sceptile is great, and definitely up there, but can you imagine Sceptile getting the kind of treatment that Charizard got? I mean really? The show has firmly established Charizard as Ash's ace in the hole - his nuke, his greatest line of defence. I'm not sure how you can watch that episode and not think Charizard is Ash's strongest. There was a very legitimate effort on the show's part to say "this is Charizard, and he is SERIOUS business."
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Let me put it in perspective for you guys-
Charizard gets frozen= fails the fight instantly
Pikachu gets frozen= instantly breaks out and then wins against a legendary
It makes no sense for Charizard to be his best. Sure Charizard is definitely one of his strongest, but THE strongest? No way.
But who cares? Oshawott the king beats both of them.
Edit: Granted, Charizard did fail to break the ice before he started his intense training at the valley, but he's a fire type. No excuse.
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I don't even think Pikachu would.
Pikachu is powerful but in a different way. Pikachu is an underdog that fights from below. His strength is "inside", it isn't as open and obvious as Charizard. Pikachu would be celebrated, but not given the outright worship that Charizard got in that episode. Charizard is, openly and obviously, a warrior. A king. They make that very clear. Pikachu's greatest victories are insane miracles of an underdog overcoming the odds. Charizard's greatest victories are hard-fought battles between two warriors.
Besides, I think Pikachu's power fluctuates too often. Pikachu, at his absolute PEAK, is maybe slightly stronger than Charizard, but even that is hardly set in stone. But Charizard offers a level of consistent strength that no other Pokemon in the series matches.
Like, the writers would NEVER have Charizard lose to Panpour, like Pikachu did earlier in this series. They would never have Charizard tie with an Elekid after beating Regice. Charizard's key losses are only highlighted because of how rare they are. Blaziken is one, which I would say is Zard's only absolutely legit loss since he became the all-powerful beast we know today. Dusclops is another, but that was very cleverly written; it was made clear that it was completely Ash's fault. Besides, Charizard has two - two! - high profile losses. I mean, should I even list Pikachu's?
I think bringing up Zard being frozen by Poliwrath is a bit unfair - clearly that Charizard was not the strongest. But Charizard has trained and grown a lot since then. That younger, more inexperienced Charizard, hypothetically, couldn't beat Gary's Blastoise and Golem.
Now, I can see what you're thinking. Charizard is allowed a weak performance against Poliwrath but Pikachu isn't allowed one against Elekid (etc)? Well, the difference is the unreliable, constantly fluctuating nature of Pikachu's power. Pikachu has been written in such a way that he can lose or win basically any match and people won't be surprised, barring some extreme circumstances. Like, everyone was irritated when Pikachu lost to Cress, but I don't think they were particularly surprised. It's standard Pikachu fare at this point. But the writers would never, ever, have Charizard lose in that situation. As I said, the Charizard that was frozen by Poliwrath is not the same one that just had an episode dedicated to how amazing he is.
And that's the difference, I think. Charizard is Ash's trump card, his strength is protected by the writers. Pikachu is in a position where it pulls off amazing, miracle wins, but also takes some heavy losses. I don't think I can in good conscience say that Pikachu is the stronger Pokemon.
The fact that Pikachu's power fluctuates means nothing lol. We know that at times Pikachu is stronger than Charizard. End of story.
And Pikachu is forced to be weak at times. If Charizard had stayed on Ash's team as long Pikachu has, he would of had some very embarrassing loses by know, and Dusclops was bad enough.
Edit: Let me try this. Charizard has never experienced a hard reset like Pikachu has, so he comes off as stronger. But it's a all just kind of a illusion. Pikachu has been weakened because Ash would just wipe the floor if he used Pikachu at max potential. That would be a pretty boring thing to watch. Charizard always seems strong because there is never a need to weaken him.
There is a rule to judging Charizard and Pikachu together. When comparing them, you always compare regular charizard and Pikachu at his full potential (usually at the end of each saga). Pikachu is stronger at the end of each saga. Just look at the fight against Tobias and Brandon.
Edit 2: Wait, isn't picking the strongest an opinion? I mean, there is no way to know which is actually it since there are so many factors.
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riggedpoll has also been inconsistent in battle. Even on his worst day I at least respect Pikachu for putting up a good battle and always being on hand in times of crisis. Not many Pokemon could continuously provide entertainment, but Pikachu sure knows how to deliver imo.
thank god pikachu is ahead of oshawatt at the moment.
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