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    So both arceus and dialga are appearing? Really random.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yuoke View Post
    So both arceus and dialga are appearing? Really random.
    Who the hell said that? I hate when someone just says things like that because then I check all the pages only to find out that no one said that before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by i2i View Post
    Here the full list:

    1-Reshiram
    2-Zekrom
    3-Pikachu
    4-Growlithe
    5-Meowth
    6-Beedrill
    7-Typhlosion.
    8-Gardevoir
    9-Salamence
    10-Magnezone
    11-Arceus.

    If the Salamence is Clair I'll say the episode will air in May.
    Reshiram: already appeared and will appear in the climax.
    Zekrom: I guess it have a chance of appearing in the climax after all.
    Pikachu: Oh, I wonder what could this be?
    Growlithe: N's childhood flashbacks.
    Meowth: this baffles me xD
    Beedril: One of the first DA episode, we got a picture from it before. Maybe it is the Butterfree episode. That'd mean it airs in May.
    Typhlosion: No idea. But I don't think Ash's Quilava is evolving... I'd love it, but it's most likely a random one.
    Gardevoir: Already appeared, N's friend.
    Salamence: I think it could be Ghetsis's or Colress/Angie/TP grunt. And maybe it will battle Ash's Charizard in the second to last episode of Episode N, where Charizard is the data broadcast pokemon. Unless Charizard battles Reshiram in that episode. Then this Salamence could be Clair's and that'd mean this episode airs in May too.
    Magnezone: Already appeared, TP grunt. Owned Pignite, was owned by Pikachu.
    Arceus: Well, I guess this is the random legendary they always include in this things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yuoke View Post
    So both arceus and dialga are appearing? Really random.
    I don't think so. Someone just posted some merchandise that's gonna be released soon, but there's no guarantee that all the Pokemon featured in the merchandise will appear in the anime. That's why I hate using merchandise to predict that stuff; most of the merchandise is just that, merchandise. More often than not it has nothing to do with the anime anyway.

    And by the way, I never cared for Lance. He did his job in Johto but when he appeared in Hoenn I just lost all interest in him because he seemed so out of place. That's why I hope that he doesn't appear in this episode; Clair's already here so there's really no point in adding yet another Dragon-type specialist in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IcySealeo View Post
    Who the hell said that? I hate when someone just says things like that because then I check all the pages only to find out that no one said that before.
    The merchandise list said that, but I guess it's not a guarantee.
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    Still hoping for Iris to catch the shiny. More signature dragons for her!

    Quote Originally Posted by Umbilical Noose View Post
    Not a big fan of Crimgan but as long as the battle is fine and she don't use Gyarados, bring it on.

    But since Lance became the E4\Champion after that then it is obvious he is now the better of the two.

    @Vermont: But what if he became Dragon Master after the training. Like when he became the E4\Champion. That makes more sense. She didn't showed any sign of greatness either.
    You're saying that Clair didn't show any signs of greatness? Yeah, someone with the potential as a guy like Lance definitely went to a nobody to train with.. A nobody who happens to be the toughest gym leader in a region, but still a nobody with no sense of greatness that doesn't train the hardest type either?

    Quote Originally Posted by i2i View Post
    Here the full list:

    1-Reshiram
    2-Zekrom
    3-Pikachu
    4-Growlithe
    5-Meowth
    6-Beedrill
    7-Typhlosion.
    8-Gardevoir
    9-Salamence
    10-Magnezone
    11-Arceus.

    If the Salamence is Clair I'll say the episode will air in May.
    Who knows, if this is the April set, then the Beedrill/Butterfree figurines are quite in conflict with eachother.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ciccone View Post
    I don't think so. Someone just posted some merchandise that's gonna be released soon, but there's no guarantee that all the Pokemon featured in the merchandise will appear in the anime. That's why I hate using merchandise to predict that stuff; most of the merchandise is just that, merchandise. More often than not it has nothing to do with the anime anyway.

    And by the way, I never cared for Lance. He did his job in Johto but when he appeared in Hoenn I just lost all interest in him because he seemed so out of place. That's why I hope that he doesn't appear in this episode; Clair's already here so there's really no point in adding yet another Dragon-type specialist in my opinion.
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    I don't think the date might be 100% accurate, but we can make sense of some of the merchandized group. The fact that, outside of Arceus, we already have seven pokemon confirmed to appear, with Zekrom being highly likely to be referenced at least once (making eight out of ten), then it is just folly to state that 'more often then not'.

    We know Beedrill will appear, but have no date yet, which only leaves Typhlosion and Salamence. And from the June set I think we only kinda still need Swellow to appear?

    If this episode is about Iris' arc culminating, then why not throw in a mention of how Clair trained Lance? It's not as if a small cameo will ruin the episode.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ver-mont View Post
    It's the other way round, actually: in the anime, Lance was tutored under Clair.

    So, if he really was referred to as a dragon master (I don't recall it, but maybe it happened), it's even more likely that she is too, I guess.
    Ah yes, my mistake it was indeed stated how Lance trained at Blackthorn gym with Clair. Although Clair made a joke how it was more other way around seeming like "Lance trains her", implying he was stronger than she was.

    Either way perhaps her appearance pow resolves this mystery and shows whether she is dragon master as well, or not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Umbilical Noose View Post
    But since Lance became the E4\Champion after that then it is obvious he is now the better of the two.

    @Vermont: But what if he became Dragon Master after the training. Like when he became the E4\Champion. That makes more sense. She didn't showed any sign of greatness either.
    Speaking of whole dragon master thing it was largely undefined in what way those which acquired title achieved this (like Drayden). There likely exists some special tasks (tests you would have to pass before being promoted to such level. Especially since it was said how dragon masters become those which proven themselves to be worthy of it by having huge knowledge and skill regarding dragon type.

    Further proof to that can be found in Whirl Cup and Misty case being showed how there exist special competitions you need to conquer in order to gain water master title. But than again Misty dream seemed quite different compared to Iris shooting for highest places(like her idol Lorelei).

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    Quote Originally Posted by i2i View Post
    Here the full list:

    1-Reshiram- Climax
    2-Zekrom- Probably mentioned in climax
    3-Pikachu- Satoshi, they are making a Pikachu every set for a while now after they finished the dex
    4-Growlithe- N Secret episode
    5-Meowth- TR
    6-Beedrill- Appearing in Dekorola
    7-Typhlosion- Dekorola?
    8-Gardevoir- N Secret
    9-Salamence- Dekorola?
    10-Magnezone- TP Grunt
    11-Arceus- Promotion Legendary of this set(same as Dialga and Deoxys)

    If the Salamence is Clair I'll say the episode will air in May.
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    The only pokemon from there that haven't appeared are Typhlosion and Salamence, it migth not be from Clair but from the episode revealed now I don't see it fitting there but we don't have all the episodes yet.

    There is that Japanese cup with the 3 Johto starters promoting it but they only have Typhlosion here but we will see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Locormus View Post
    You're saying that Clair didn't show any signs of greatness? Yeah, someone with the potential as a guy like Lance definitely went to a nobody to train with.. A nobody who happens to be the toughest gym leader in a region, but still a nobody with no sense of greatness that doesn't train the hardest type either?
    I think before answering your question I should remove Clair's in game image from the games. I was still furious at what she did, you know acting all kiddish not handing over the badge.

    Now, greatness can mean two things. Judging by your post I suppose you meant a trainer with high skills at battling is great. Lance probably went to her because she was the only renowned Dragon Type trainer strong enough to help him get better. But chances are that Lance went to her when he was not much himself and you are a nobody then even the low rank trainer can be your mentor. I don't think anyone would expect Lance to go to her for training after becoming the E4\Champion, he is dumb but not that big of a idiot. Then there is second type of greatness about which I normally talk about. The greatness seen in characters like Robert, Lance, Steven, Soledad, yada, yada, yada. Those calm and collected trainer who don't need anyone's help, know everything and do everything by self. No matter how you see it both of these categories don't suit her. Hell even Drayden is better than her.

    One more thing, I hope they acknowledge that Clair and Lance are related. I think they are cousins in game, not sure on that. That would explain the whole training under her thing. Maybe it was just like training under your Onee Chan.
    Quote Originally Posted by pokemon fan 132 View Post
    Speaking of whole dragon master thing it was largely undefined in what way those which acquired title achieved this (like Drayden). There likely exists some special tasks (tests you would have to pass before being promoted to such level. Especially since it was said how dragon masters become those which proven themselves to be worthy of it by having huge knowledge and skill regarding dragon type.

    Further proof to that can be found in Whirl Cup and Misty case being showed how there exist special competitions you need to conquer in order to gain water master title. But than again Misty dream seemed quite different compared to Iris shooting for highest places(like her idol Lorelei).
    Maybe it is time they define these goals. We have been walking in circles all these years without knowing what a Master means and they keep on bringing new things to the table. Pokemon Master, Water Master, Dragon Master, Breeder(interestingly its not in the name) and then there is that S class connoisseur.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Umbilical Noose View Post
    Maybe it is time they define these goals. We have been walking in circles all these years without knowing what a Master means and they keep on bringing new things to the table. Pokemon Master, Water Master, Dragon Master, Breeder(interestingly its not in the name) and then there is that S class connoisseur.
    Except we know for one to be a Dragon Master you only have to do two things, it was stated clear as day in the episode where Iris revealed it.

    1.Understand Dragon Pokemon's hearts, in other words bond with them.
    2.Raise their power-levels.

    That's that and you're a Dragon Master.

    I don't have a clue what Kasumi's goal has to do in discussion in an Iris thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Umbilical Noose View Post
    I think before answering your question I should remove Clair's in game image from the games. I was still furious at what she did, you know acting all kiddish not handing over the badge.

    Now, greatness can mean two things. Judging by your post I suppose you meant a trainer with high skills at battling is great. Lance probably went to her because she was the only renowned Dragon Type trainer strong enough to help him get better. But chances are that Lance went to her when he was not much himself and you are a nobody then even the low rank trainer can be your mentor. I don't think anyone would expect Lance to go to her for training after becoming the E4\Champion, he is dumb but not that big of a idiot. Then there is second type of greatness about which I normally talk about. The greatness seen in characters like Robert, Lance, Steven, Soledad, yada, yada, yada. Those calm and collected trainer who don't need anyone's help, know everything and do everything by self. No matter how you see it both of these categories don't suit her. Hell even Drayden is better than her.

    One more thing, I hope they acknowledge that Clair and Lance are related. I think they are cousins in game, not sure on that. That would explain the whole training under her thing. Maybe it was just like training under your Onee Chan.
    Yeah, the game version of Clair is annoying to say the least, but you get an Extreme Speed Dragonite if you answer the questions right! :P

    However, if we take the games into account, then there's this little bit of info: She can hold her own against the Elite Four.

    Definitely not a sign of greatness

    As game and animé Clair are different, I don't see why this malcontempt comes from. Clair wasn't calm and collected?

    Clair mentioned Lance trained under her at the Blackthorn Gym, before he entered the E4. Meaning that Lance saw Clair fit to train him until he thought himself, or Clair thought himself ready to take on the E4. And that the sentence I bolded is incorrect, well, Lance may have been nothing much at the time, but Clair was a gym leader. Meaning that Clair was a big deal for Lance, maybe not in your perspective, but she was for Lance.

    It's already explicitly noted that they aren't related by family in the animé.

    I don't see how Drayden is much 'greater' then Clair, they both have the same role in their cities. Well, Drayden is the mayor and all that, while Clair is the warden for the Dragon's den. Clair doesn't deserve the negative credit you're giving her. She is vain in the games, but wasn't in the animé. She even jumped in front of an electric surge going straight at Dratini, saving the things life perhaps.

    All I can say is that your description of Clair is as if she's a spoiled brat, lacking in skill, and has lack of determination and knowledge. She's not spoiled, worked hard to get where she is, has amazing skill: It took a combination of Pikachu, Snorlax and Charizard to finally bring her down - Ash's top3 strongest pokemon at the time - and BARELY made it. Her dedication to Dratini and saving the Holy Dragon Land and Ash on multiple occasions shows that she's great in other ways then battling to.

    Eitherway, if you compare Clair to Drayden then you're still comparing pears with apples. Counting GenV, there are 29 dragons. When GenII came into the scene, there were 4, and how many Dragon-type moves: 4.. Not to mention that as the games develop, the role of the gymleader developed as well and this is reflected in the animé. In GenII, only Morty, Jasmine and Clair appeared outside of their gyms, and this was reflected in the animé as they got more episodes then say, Chuck, Bugsy and Falkner. So it isn't surprising that they got more episodes, because they were already important enough to showcase more then once: Further showcasing that they matter more then Bugsy i.e. And in that sense, Clair got 5 episodes back to back, something no other gym leader has gotten, not counting Brock, Misty and Cilan.

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    Clair's gym battle was one of my fave in history of Pokemon, glad she's returning I guess it's possible Iris stays training with her.

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    Wow. Even fan predictions about Clair appearing came true. I am amazed. Sounds interesting, just by coming by the thread's name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demon Kitsune Yoko Kurama View Post
    Wow. Even fan predictions about Clair appearing came true. I am amazed. Sounds interesting, just by coming by the thread's name.
    I think more people thought it would be Lance...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joltik-Kid View Post
    I think more people thought it would be Lance...
    Well, I'm glad they were wrong then. Clair is much more interesting than Lance imho
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    I really hope that Shiny Druddigon is Clair's and not an Iris capture. *flameshield*

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Taidow_ View Post
    I really hope that Shiny Druddigon is Clair's and not an Iris capture. *flameshield*
    The only one who would start flaming is you, I haven't seen one complaint about Iris catching it on any forum.

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    I dont see why iris would catch it, it would have no time for development.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yuoke View Post
    I dont see why iris would catch it, it would have no time for development.
    didn't stop dawn catching togekiss. not that I want her to get it

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Taidow_ View Post
    I really hope that Shiny Druddigon is Clair's and not an Iris capture. *flameshield*
    Don't worry, you aren't the only one. I prefer Druddigon with Clair too. I don't want a Togekiss repeat, with Iris having Druddigon for the heck of having it. No offense, Iris's fans.
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    honestly I'm not expecting anyone to catch it

    what I'm expecting is an island full of dragon types, with the shiny druddigon as leader. Clair trains on the island and teams with Ash & co against some threat to the dragons

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    Quote Originally Posted by AceDetective View Post
    honestly I'm not expecting anyone to catch it

    what I'm expecting is an island full of dragon types, with the shiny druddigon as leader. Clair trains on the island and teams with Ash & co against some threat to the dragons
    Hopefully it's that, and not a repeat on island of onix, with like a random shiny druddigon that they want to find.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joltik-Kid View Post
    I think more people thought it would be Lance...
    To be honest, I've never seen a Lance one. But, I'll go by your word.

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    WTF, Clair? As in .... Johto Clair? o_o

    I'm not unhappy, but it's a bit shocking. Still happy Iris will most likely get some development here, hopefully a battle.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AceDetective View Post
    didn't stop dawn catching togekiss. not that I want her to get it
    Considering that she was in a tornament and had atleast tried to train it some before is still better than Iris getting it and then doing nothing with it afterwards.

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