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    Quote Originally Posted by 1rkhachatryan View Post
    And why can't the theme be both. I'n just saying that using something like Chinchou or Corsola would of been better.
    I don't have a problem with them using Johto ones(the Johto Dex is my favourite), what I mean is just because they didn't go for it, you can't just bash them saying they are failing at their job, nothing else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepsi_Plunge View Post
    I don't have a problem with them using Johto ones(the Johto Dex is my favourite), what I mean is just because they didn't go for it, you can't just bash them saying they are failing at their job, nothing else.
    I mean failing this opportunity lol.
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    Well octillery and azumarril are in bw2, And croconaw is a less marketable starter, which is still very marketable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1rkhachatryan View Post
    Not really...I mean we aren't in Unova anymore :/.....
    That's absolutely ridiculous, it's Water-type themed. Not Johto, sometimes I wonder if you guys love complaining. Ducklett is there because it's a Water-type.

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    Why aren't people then also complaining that claydol is in the that shot with other ghost types?
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    Besides, thats one Unova Pokemon compared to more Non-Unova Pokemon in this situation. It's surprising that there's even some wild Unova Pokemon around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the1stpkmnfan View Post
    Besides, thats one Unova Pokemon compared to more Non-Unova Pokemon in this situation. It's surprising that there's even some wild Unova Pokemon around.
    Why? after a region ends or a new game comes out, wild pokemonf rom toher regions just get mixed together, we are getting a Zoroark, Heatmor, an island of Oshawott/Dewott, alien thing, etc in this islands, the islands have pokemon from the 5 regions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doryuzu View Post
    That's absolutely ridiculous, it's Water-type themed. Not Johto, sometimes I wonder if you guys love complaining. Ducklett is there because it's a Water-type.
    Lol he said that we are in the fifth gen so a fifth gen pokemon has to be there. I am simply saying we aren't in Unova anymore.
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    Weird, so now they're marketing a Johto starter. Charmander made sense because it brought back Charizard. It's definitely not Ash's though.

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    Finally the speculation stops of poor little totodile evolving!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pokememes View Post
    Finally the speculation stops of poor little totodile evolving!
    I don't particularly care about Ash's Totodile ever evolving, but I do think it needs to be showcased well, which hasn't happened in a long time. It's a pity that the writers are continuing the trend from DP of focusing on unrelated Totodile/Croconaw.

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    Aww, I want a Lanturn cameo :<

    Anyways, could this be a possible capture for Iris/Cilan? It looks dragon like. But IMO, Cilan needs a capture. He needs some water type to spice up his team. Don't talk to me about Derpfisk, that thing is just fodder :/

    ... This ep is most likely just filler/potential character development.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ciccone View Post
    I think the fact that Croconaw is shown with other Pokemon confirms that it's not Ash's. I don't understand why anyone would want it to be Ash's anyway; what's the point of evolving a Pokemon that isn't going to show up again in who knows how many episodes? It's better off being another Croconaw imo.
    Because Totodile winning a battle and the majority not claiming it is due to comic relief would be a refreshing moment?

    What was the point of evolving Charmeleon if Charizard was only going to appear in four episodes afterwards when the animé was only going to last 82 episodes? Yeah... Odd question isn't it? If you bring up the argument that the series was going to last beyond that and so they could freely evolve it and use it after Kanto ended, then the same argument should count for Totodile/Croconaw.

    Either way and regardless of whether it happens in this episode or not, the effect will be the same. Though it probably will not evolve here...

    Quote Originally Posted by _Taidow_ View Post
    Well it wouldn't be an Islands arc without an island of water-type pokemon.
    But it isn't an island, it's a few Water-types, on a raft. Meaning that this probably isn't a group on an island, or an entire island focused on Water-types, but just a group of traveling Water-types that ransack other travelers. It's definitely giving those vibes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pepsi_Plunge View Post
    Actually Croconaw seems like he is a leader type pokemon here, I wouldn't mind Palpitoad appearing him and have some water type boss to boss moments, just sayin not expecting it at all, specially since I don't even know if I'm rigth at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1rkhachatryan View Post
    Why is there a Ducklett with a bunch of Johto pokemon?? Fail writers...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shneak View Post
    Weird, so now they're marketing a Johto starter. Charmander made sense because it brought back Charizard. It's definitely not Ash's though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OceanicLanturn View Post
    Aww, I want a Lanturn cameo :<

    Anyways, could this be a possible capture for Iris/Cilan? It looks dragon like. But IMO, Cilan needs a capture. He needs some water type to spice up his team. Don't talk to me about Derpfisk, that thing is just fodder :/

    ... This ep is most likely just filler/potential character development.
    Grrr...

    And all episodes seem like filler/pcd at this point.. -.-
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepsi_Plunge View Post
    What the heck Robert, did you just want to say something ridiculous? its freaking water types it has nothing to do with Johto or anything, there are 3 Johto ones but thats just coincidence, there migth be even more pokemon then just those in that island, Fail Robert...

    Seriously this is worse then the random nitpicking you guys usually do.
    He has a point though. I mean at the beginning of the saga wasn't Unova made out to be so far far away from the other regions that Unovians did not even know the non-unovian pokemon? And suddenly there are duckletts in Johto/Kanto or wherever the heck they are...That's a little weird.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepsi_Plunge View Post
    Why? after a region ends or a new game comes out, wild pokemonf rom toher regions just get mixed together, we are getting a Zoroark, Heatmor, an island of Oshawott/Dewott, alien thing, etc in this islands, the islands have pokemon from the 5 regions.
    I believe that; I was just saying in that given situation. I'm all for mixed Pokemon together, since BW2 started. It's not surprising at all anymore, since this IS Best Wishes still. :P

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    I think that Croconaw deserves some screentime. Bayleaf was Ash's and Casey's and Quilava is Ash's and Dawn's. So Croconaw is left alone with less screentime than the others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IcySealeo View Post
    I think that Croconaw deserves some screentime. Bayleaf was Ash's and Casey's and Quilava is Ash's and Dawn's. So Croconaw is left alone with less screentime than the others.
    To be fair, Quilava didn't get much either, both have had few appearances in total and barely any wins.
    Ash - Evolved and beat Team Rocket, then tied with Armaldo
    Dawn - Evolved in the special, had an unfinished battle with Pikachu

    Minor Characters
    Macey - Fought Squirtle in the league and lost.
    Clark - Used Charizard and Quilava vs Glalie & Groovyle, Quilava was taken out by Groovyle
    Ryan&Bryan - Quilava & Croconaw vs Turtwig & Piplup (lost the first battle, won the rematch

    Croconaw was indeed worse though.
    Marina - Basically did nothing in the whole movie while Meganium and Typhlosion did all the real work.
    Khoury - Totodile evolved in battle against Cyndaquil & Monferno but still lost.

    Minor Characters
    Dundee - Opening movie credits battle, got owned by Pikachu
    Ryan&Bryan - Quilava & Croconaw vs Turtwig & Piplup (lost the first battle, won the rematch
    Ranger Mason - Not much more then beating TR
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    In the end Ash should have had Croconaw and Quilava since mid-Johto instead of just a Bayleaf for some equal treatment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OceanicLanturn View Post
    Aww, I want a Lanturn cameo :<
    I'd like a Furret cameo, but we all know it's not happening D:

    lol @ the thought of it being Ash's Croconaw
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    Quote Originally Posted by shac View Post
    He has a point though. I mean at the beginning of the saga wasn't Unova made out to be so far far away from the other regions that Unovians did not even know the non-unovian pokemon? And suddenly there are duckletts in Johto/Kanto or wherever the heck they are...That's a little weird.
    Thats how it works, didn't Gamefreak suddently change that?

    Didn't Kanto have Hoenn and Johto pokemon in Fire Red/Leaf Green? Didn't HG/SS have Hoenn/Sinnoh pokemon?

    Plus this is an archipelago between Kanto and Isshu apparently or between Pokeamerica and Pokejapan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepsi_Plunge View Post
    Thats how it works, didn't Gamefreak suddently change that?

    Didn't Kanto have Hoenn and Johto pokemon in Fire Red/Leaf Green? Didn't HG/SS have Hoenn/Sinnoh pokemon?

    Plus this is an archipelago between Kanto and Isshu apparently or between Pokeamerica and Pokejapan.
    That doesn't change the fact that they never made a big deal about the distance of those other places lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1rkhachatryan View Post
    That doesn't change the fact that they never made a big deal about the distance of those other places lol.
    They made it this time because its a diferent continent but like I said, Gamefreak already changed that and once again like I said, the next games are in Europe and it will have American and Japanese pokemon and a japanese pokemon actually gets a new evolution in Europe.

    They(Gamefreak) felt like doing that because it made sense that the pokemon from a diferent continent are diferent but then they crapped on it with the second game and now Europe even thoguh its a diferent continent, doesn't have its own Dex of Europe only pokemon and thats basicly because this is going to be a smaller generation, so Gamefreak will change ideas all the time to fit their current game design and once again if it changes in the game it should be reflected in the anime, they didn't use old pokemon first because Gamefreak didn't.

    Look at what they did with Belle and Cheren? Cheren is the older version of himself and Belle is the younger version, why? because they didn't use Cheren first and used Belle, then Cheren aged became a gym leader and they decided they could do an episode about it.

    Just don't complicate stuff, first it was how is there a Jirachi in Isshu, now Dekorola is not Isshu apparently its Kanto and now its, why is there a Ducklett in here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepsi_Plunge View Post
    They made it this time because its a diferent continent but like I said, Gamefreak already changed that and once again like I said, the next games are in Europe and it will have American and Japanese pokemon and a japanese pokemon actually gets a new evolution in Europe.

    They(Gamefreak) felt like doing that because it made sense that the pokemon from a diferent continent are diferent but then they crapped on it with the second game and now Europe even thoguh its a diferent continent, doesn't have its own Dex of Europe only pokemon and thats basicly because this is going to be a smaller generation, so Gamefreak will change ideas all the time to fit their current game design and once again if it changes in the game it should be reflected in the anime, they didn't use old pokemon first because Gamefreak didn't.

    Look at what they did with Belle and Cheren? Cheren is the older version of himself and Belle is the younger version, why? because they didn't use Cheren first and used Belle, then Cheren aged became a gym leader and they decided they could do an episode about it.

    Just don't complicate stuff, first it was how is there a Jirachi in Isshu, now Dekorola is not Isshu apparently its Kanto and now its, why is there a Ducklett in here.
    That's not what I was saying -_-...you said because it is 5 gen, there has to be a 5 gen pokemon which I am saying is crap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1rkhachatryan View Post
    That's not what I was saying -_-...you said because it is 5 gen, there has to be a r gen pokemon which I am saying is crap.
    I don't know what you are talking about here, r gen? and I'm being serious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepsi_Plunge View Post
    I don't know what you are talking about here, r gen? and I'm being serious.
    Typo, I meant 5th gen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1rkhachatryan View Post
    Typo, I meant 5th gen.
    So when did I say there has to be a 5gen? I said there is no problem with Ducklett there, it could be a Wingull or wtv, we were just talking about your Johto thing as far as I'm concerned, I'm not even sure but at most I migth have said that its not surprising a 5gen is there but I believe I didn't say it.

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