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    Erasing white's memories could be very interesting if it happens. It could be a very easy way to turn her into Rosa for BW2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by diakyu View Post
    Erasing white's memories could be very interesting if it happens. It could be a very easy way to turn her into Rosa for BW2.
    That or she could just change her appearance. Two years of wearing the same outfit gets old fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt0044 View Post
    That or she could just change her appearance. Two years of wearing the same outfit gets old fast.
    Or...to match it up with the games, both Black and White can have their memories erased after the end of BW and end up waking up in Aspertia City in Nate and Rosa's clothes having no idea what's going on. And then during their journey in B2W2, they hear about two trainers who saved Unova two years ago but their whereabouts are currently unknown.

    Haha I kid, I know that's a horrible plotline.

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    Wow! Sounds like Black vs Cheren is uber epic. I'm glad they did this angle with one of the characters for BW. It's very refreshing. Could you imagine if Bianca had been the one to end up like Cheren? Anyway this development in Cheren was a twist and I'm glad to see him and Black duke it out. Can't wait to see where Cheren goes in the future. And Reshiram vs Zekrom. Well we knew it was going to happen, so time to see what goes down. Thanks for the summary Coronis.
    Maybe Aspertia Gym to serve time for joining Team Plasma? And as an extra punishment, he gets all his Pokemon confiscated and is forced to use new ones from Route 19.

    I'm sure Cheren will snap out of it. Maybe Zinzolin is good at manipulating minds but Black was sure that Cheren will go back to his old self, which will probably happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macromind101 View Post
    Or...to match it up with the games, both Black and White can have their memories erased after the end of BW and end up waking up in Aspertia City in Nate and Rosa's clothes having no idea what's going on. And then during their journey in B2W2, they hear about two trainers who saved Unova two years ago but their whereabouts are currently unknown.

    Haha I kid, I know that's a horrible plotline.
    Actually, all you have to do is erase White's memories and dump her in Aspertia City, where she meets up with Hugh. You can have Black searching for her. Which fits with what the games did by having the BW1 protagonists absent in BW2. The only difference from the games would be that Black would be searching for White instead of N. But all this is really unlikely.

    Anyways, I'm pretty happy Musha showed back up. I knew Musha would come back eventually, but not as a Musharna.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coronis View Post
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    Black and Cheren start battling each other before their official match starts, but since both trainers are ok with it, Drayden decides to make it official. With rage, Black is determined to show Cheren what 'strong' means, but Cheren retorts that he should perhaps be the one to teach Black about it. He claims being 'strong' means knowing a Pokemon's attack, defense, and other abilities, as well as those of the opponent's, giving the trainer knowledge to make proper judgment and the right command. Black says it isn't true, and at the moment, Boar cringes in pain, much to Black's shock since Gigalith has barely used any attacks. However, he realizes that while Boar was hammering it with fighting type attacks, Gigalith was making small stomps, which was in fact the move Bulldoze, dealing super effective hits on Boar. Cheren reiterates that strength is equal to ability and technique, and Black is honestly shocked by how much his childhood friend has changed.

    Watching from the audience stand, Zinzolin senses the coldness in Cheren's tone and is elated about it. The Hoodman shows up next to him, and can see that Zinzolin believes that a cold heart can bring out the strength in a Pokemon.

    Meanwhile, White is still scouting the area, and Unibo alerts her to Zinzolin and the Hoodman. White sneaks over to eavesdrop, and overhears that the Hoodman has seen how diferent trainers bring out the strength in their Pokemon, including the cold heart theory, which Zinzolin manipulated Cheren to prove. White is shocked to hear that, but gets spotted and strangled by Cryogonal at that moment. Zinzolin reveals his true face to White, and claims that he has successfully instilled the ideation of Team Plasma deep into Cheren's thoughts. Getting proof that Team Plasma is involved, Looker shows himself and gets Croagunk to arrest Zinzolin with the Gadget 10, the super hard tape.

    Back on the battle arena, Gigalith hits Boar with a Power Gem, and Black reads from the Pokedex that it attacks by absorbing light into its body gems. Cheren is surprised that Black is still using the Pokedex, and Black is horrified when Cheren states that he does not need the device, and in fact thinks it shouldn't exist because it causes people to trap Pokemon into Pokeballs, something reminiscent of N's speech. An attack breaks out from Zinzolin's Cryogonal when it gets apprehended, and the entire room's attention to drawn to the corner. White rushes out to warn Black of the presence of Team Plasma, but just as she wants to tell Black about Cheren, the Hoodman uses Teleport to take her away.

    Drayden wants to halt the match to make sure things are alright, but Cheren refuses, and uses Unfezant to grab Black, then breaking through the ceiling glass to gain access to the roof top to continue the battle, where they will not be disturbed. Black believes that Cheren must be under the mind control of Team Plasma, but Cheren states otherwise and says he acts on his own will. He recalls their collaboration at the Cold Storage, and it turns out that Cheren wasn't that antagonistic towards Team Plasma all along despite having heard different things about them. In fact, he felt curious as to what they really are, and why they are getting people to liberate their Pokemon. He returned to the Cold Storage, and there, he found Zinzolin waiting for him. Zinzolin knew Cheren would return, because unlike Black who straight away deemed Team Plasma as evil, he saw the need for truth in Cheren's eyes, and knew he would be willing to listen to their cause before judgment.

    Black calls Cheren a fool for letting Zinzolin poison him with his words, but Cheren retorts that since young, Black has always been someone who would sacrifice and neglect everything around him just to get to his goal. But Cheren himself is different. He wants to feel truly alive and truly attached, and when Zinzolin showed him how N connected to Zekrom, for the first time in his life, he saw what 'power' truly means. That said, Cheren thinks Black is weak, and the departure of Musha was a proof.

    Black finally sees that Cheren is really acting on his own will, and thanks him for being the one to lecture him on things since they were young. However, he cannot agree with what Cheren said this time, and challenges Cheren to prove his point by beating him. This ticked off Cheren and he orders another Power Gem, but Gigalith fails to attack, and Cheren notices the sky being clouded by a pink smoke, disabling it from absorbing light. He switches Unfezant in, and Black does the same for Brav. The two birds attack each other with Sky Attack, and when the Announcer climbs onto the roof top, he finds Unfezant fainted while Brav was still standing. Yet, both Black and Cheren have fallen asleep.

    In their sleep, Black and Cheren meet in the same dream, and they both see themselves while they were kids 9 years ago. Cheren finds it mysterious that they are both having the same dream, and sees young Black writing on his notebook about his dream, which is to conquer the Pokemon League. Young Cheren grins, and writes his own dream on the notebook too.

    Black wakes up, and sees that Cheren is still asleep. He puts on a slightly sad look, but states that no matter what Cheren becomes, even if he will not change back to the person he was, he will forever be his friend. That, he says, is the one 'Truth' that will never change. He takes out the notebook which he is still carrying with him, and turns to that particular old page. Next to his own writing of his dream to conquer the Pokemon League, Cheren wrote that his dream was to support and cheer for Black's dream.

    At that moment, Musha returns as a Musharna, and Black welcomes it back. Black then turns his grudge towards Team Plasma, and finds it no longer acceptable that they are using his friend and even kidnapping White. As his rage escalates, the Light Stone glows and turns into Reshiram...


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    The scene skips to the final battle between Black and N, who each ride on their respective Unova dragon. However, Black is still trembling with anxiety, and isn't really prepared to battle alongside Reshiram. N spots this, and points out that Black still has not heard the voice of Reshiram. Black keeps questioning why Reshiram picked him out of so many to be its next hero, and while he ponders on that, Reshiram battles on its own will, though not doing much damage to Zekrom.

    Cedric Juniper watches the battle, troubled that he could not render help in the midair battle, and Looker appears with his Croagunk. He continues to wear his disguise for some reason, but when he calls out his Drifblim like airballoon, which is the Mimic Balloon Type F, gadget 13 (yes, it's the same number as his disguise gadget, not sure if it's a typo, or the writers are retconning some to replace the missing gadget 11). Of course, when Looker mentions the term 'International Police Arms', Cedric Juniper is shocked that the international police are involved too, but Looker quickly denies and says Cedric heard it wrong. Anyway, just before the go airborne, Petashi comes running along and wants to join, stating that he wishes to cheer for Black, who has beaten Cheren, the one who beat him.

    Looker, Cedric and Petashi send out Croagunk, Samurott and Deino to fight Zekrom, but Samurott's seamitar shatters, and Zekrom easily knocks them back. Zekrom then zaps Reshiram, and Black tumbles to its tail, nearly scorching himself by the flames. Cedric sees the confusion of Black, and offers to update his Pokedex with the latest data he collected on the two dragons. Black finds out that apart from being dragons, Zekrom and Reshiram also possess the electric and fire types. He also realizes that Reshiram chose him because he builds his bonds with his Pokemon through the Pokedex and repeated battles with them, which is the exact opposite of what Team Plasma and N do. However, unlike N who was clear about his 'Ideals' all along, he does not know his 'Truth', which is why Zekrom showed itself to N right away, and Reshiram remained dormant as the Light Stone, waiting for him to come to his senses. Black realizes that he does not really need to know how he should fight and why he was chosen, he simply needs to understand that he must give his best in this fateful battle, and work alongside Reshiram to defeat Zekrom. With that, Black becomes determined, and N sees that Black has finally become the Hero of Truth which Reshiram sought.

    Zekrom goes into its overdrive mode to hit Reshiram with Fusion Bolt, and Black knows that Reshiram will not stand long if it gets hit again. He learns from his Pokedex that Reshiram can also go into its overdrive form for the move Fusion Flare, and also knows that if both moves are used at the same time, the one that hits later will do bigger damage. Black synchronizes his senses with Reshiram, and just when he notices that Zekrom is firing a Fusion Bolt again, he gets Reshiram to attack a split second later, which causes a powered up Fusion Flare to hit Zekrom, toppling it over. The chapter ends with the claim that Reshiram has finally found its new owner...

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    Very exciting chapters I must say. It didn't really explain why Musha came back, but I find the scene between Black and Cheren touching. I also like how the writers utilized the nature of Fusion Bolt and Fusion Flare to determine the victory of the battle. Til next month.




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    Wow, there's lots of stuff going on. I'll look forward to see how it all turns out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by diakyu View Post
    Actually, all you have to do is erase White's memories and dump her in Aspertia City, where she meets up with Hugh. You can have Black searching for her. Which fits with what the games did by having the BW1 protagonists absent in BW2. The only difference from the games would be that Black would be searching for White instead of N. But all this is really unlikely.

    Anyways, I'm pretty happy Musha showed back up. I knew Musha would come back eventually, but not as a Musharna.
    What I'm confused about, though, is why Musha returned to Black. The reason why Musha left was because Black didn't have his mind set on one goal like before. Was the reason why Musha returned because Black had one goal once again: to rescue Cheren? And I didn't see Musha in Loli's pics (but that probably because I'm blind). Was he back in the first or second chapter that he posted?

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    Originally posted by Macromind101
    Was he back in the first or second chapter that he posted?
    First chapter.
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    I have to say... Team Plasma has got to be the scariest villains yet, because some of the things they say DO make sense. I found myself sympathizing with N and Cheren at some points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macromind101 View Post
    What I'm confused about, though, is why Musha returned to Black. The reason why Musha left was because Black didn't have his mind set on one goal like before. Was the reason why Musha returned because Black had one goal once again: to rescue Cheren? And I didn't see Musha in Loli's pics (but that probably because I'm blind). Was he back in the first or second chapter that he posted?
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    You know, I have a feeling White being teleported away somewhere will probably prove to be very important soon. I'm assuming that the Gym Leaders are being held at the Castle, which is right under the League at the moment.
    White is probably there right now.
    To me, it would be interesting if White is the one to have that conversation with Anthea and Concordia, because they say some interesting things about N's past. She may be the one to find out that N is being manipulated by someone else.

    Of course, this is all speculation, but that is one scenario I can think of where White doesn't end up helpless.
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    What if this is leading to White facing Ghetsis instead of Black? It would allow them to have Black focus on fighting N and give White something to do besides saving the GLs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redchesus View Post
    I have to say... Team Plasma has got to be the scariest villains yet, because some of the things they say DO make sense. I found myself sympathizing with N and Cheren at some points.
    I personally can't wait for N to get his and learn he was being used the entire time. I cannot wait to see the look on his emotional face. I hope Ghetsis slaps N and N still has that emotional look on his face, like when his Pokemon got knocked into him during his first battle with Black. Justice must be served.
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    Quote Originally Posted by diakyu View Post
    What if this is leading to White facing Ghetsis instead of Black? It would allow them to have Black focus on fighting N and give White something to do besides saving the GLs.
    Or what could happen is that White leads the fight with the gym leaders against the sages. And she would get to see the Kami trio again. And then Black and White would join to fight Ghetsis together. I still hold on to my theory that White will eventually get custody of Zekrom

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macromind101 View Post


    Or what could happen is that White leads the fight with the gym leaders against the sages. And she would get to see the Kami trio again. And then Black and White would join to fight Ghetsis together. I still hold on to my theory that White will eventually get custody of Zekrom
    I suspect we will see Kami trio in BW again, taking into account Shadow Triad did not more scenes in BW actually.

    I think they will retain some scenes to B2W2. Maybe we will first to see Swords of Justice in BW again.

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    I just want to know what the three are actually going to do. They seem to be setting up a confrontation with the Kami Trio, but nothing has come up from it, even when they had a perfect chance for it, like in the Shadow Triad vs Striaton trio chapters. They need to come back if they intend on using them for it. But since the Shadow Triad probably won't be joining up in the final battle, I guess they can fight the Therian Formes in the B2W2 chapter.

    In fact, a lot of Legends need to come back.

    Victini didn't really do much in its debut other than getting beat up and helping Brav defeat Plasma. It hasn't even used V-create or Searing Shot.

    Keldeo still needs to use Resolute Form and Secret Sword.

    Meloetta....I don't know. Those two chapters were good enough. It already debuted Pirouette Forme and Relic Song. What could Meloetta even contribute?

    Tornadus, Thundurus, and Landorus still need to debut their Therian Formes. Since the Shadow Triad got their butts kicked by the Swords of Justice, I doubt they're well enough to help Ghetsis at N's Castle.

    Genesect still needs a proper debut. We'll probably see it in B2W2. Doing what? Who knows? I don't even know what it'd be able to contribute other than a battle against Mewtwo.

    Kyurem...well, it's going to be obvious when Kyurem will debut, so nothing to worry about there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macromind101 View Post
    What I'm confused about, though, is why Musha returned to Black. The reason why Musha left was because Black didn't have his mind set on one goal like before. Was the reason why Musha returned because Black had one goal once again: to rescue Cheren?
    Or maybe N was wrong about the reason for Musha left.

    I think everyone noticed the resemblance between the Dark Trinity (Shadow Triad) and the Gym triplets. Could one of the trios clones of the others? This could open possibilities for Kyōhei and Mei to appear in the manga as Black and White's clones. Hoodman said he saw how different trainers bring out the strength in their Pokémon (and what is the cold heart theory? Is it something I missed from months ago?), so what if he also uses human cloning to test some theory about this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by G-SANtos View Post
    Or maybe N was wrong about the reason for Musha left.

    I think everyone noticed the resemblance between the Dark Trinity (Shadow Triad) and the Gym triplets. Could one of the trios clones of the others? This could open possibilities for Kyōhei and Mei to appear in the manga as Black and White's clones. Hoodman said he saw how different trainers bring out the strength in their Pokémon (and what is the cold heart theory? Is it something I missed from months ago?), so what if he also uses human cloning to test some theory about this?
    They don't even have Black and White's DNA. I don't think Kusaka would go that far in his manga.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamingflower View Post
    They don't even have Black and White's DNA. I don't think Kusaka would go that far in his manga.
    They could get a sample during the final battle. Hoodman could, like, cut White's hair, and if Black bleeds in the battle against N, then you get a sample on the floor. Plus, cloning would justify "Black 2" and "White 2" as names, even if they are only used in the cloning pods, or ssomething, and they get their in-game names after being freed by... Cheren, or someone else.

    Plus, if Saque/Sird is someow involved in the plot, you could even tie X and Y in this cloning thing, because one of the possibilities I thought for the X/Y arc is that the portagonists in some sort of genetic experiment. If Saque has ties with Isshu and te sixth region, she could have stolen the technology of "Project XY" and given it to Hoodman for some reason, like "she was hired to steal it", allowing the cloning project to be possible. This would obviously mean that the "Project XY" would have been started at least three years before the XY arc, assuming we have just an one-year timeskip from BW2 to XY.
    Just one possibility I thought, and I think that's how I would do it if I were writing the manga and trying to keep the naming tradition untouched, so "X" and "Y" would be the characters's codenames for the project. It should be noted that the involvement of Saque wouldn't necessarily mean she is still around until the XY arc, she could still be finishe off in BW2, and have the hypothetical sixth region connection as "a job she did in the past".

    Quote Originally Posted by lolipiece View Post
    Kyurem...well, it's going to be obvious when Kyurem will debut, so nothing to worry about there.
    There's also the possibility of an Early Bird Cameo. We know Kyurem was pictured in a merchandise for the manga (what was it again), so it could be either just a cool picture, or foreshadowing of an early debut. Remember that we already have a BW2 Gym Leader here.
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    So they clone 14-year-old youths completed within two years?

    This seems to be a little too fast.

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    This is Pokemon, where a Mewtwo can be cloned simply from the DNA of a Mew and some cells from a human.

    Long story short, it runs on cartoon cloning.

    Also, no cloning, please. That's just ridiculous.

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    Guys, cloning a human is a bit much. Especially for something as simple as introducing two new protagonists or just giving Black and White new pairs of clothes.
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    That whole cloning theory is very unlikely. There really is no reason to clone anybody. :/

    I agree with what Loli said earlier, about the legendary pokemon.
    With the Kami Trio, there's a chance that either the Shadow Triad keeps them until two years later during the B2W2 chapter as a way to debut their Therian Forms, but I don't know.
    Victini could use another appearance, and I'm not sure about Genesect either.
    Even though Kyurem will definitely have an appearance in B2W2, it may be mentioned or shown briefly in the BW chapters.
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    When BW2 was first announced we all joked about them being clones...I don't think any of us were serious. I hope none of you were serious o.O but like Lolipiece said look how Mewtwo was done. I don't think we'll get into clone stuff. Then we'll have a major identity crisis on who the real Black and White are leading to a emo break down.
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    Okay this cloning theory is just ridiculous. Seriously? Human clones? Okay first disregarding that this cloning idea is absolutely ridiculous, we must also remember that there are three Unova Pokedex, one for the male, one for the female, and one for the rival. It's always been that way since Generation I (disregarding Yellow but then again she kept the only surviving old one while everyone else got new ones). I doubt anyone is gonna make a new Pokedex. And also, the starter situation was already complicated as it was. The having two sets of Unova starters, one fully evolved and one not evolved at all was a brilliant (and probably the only) solution. Giving out more starters for a "solution" where there is already a much better solution is just not worth it, it is way too messy, and it's already been confirmed that there are only two sets of Unova starters anyway. I can't wait for Kusaka to finally just slap on Nate and Rosa's clothes onto Black and White so that this ridiculous theory can come to an end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macromind101 View Post
    Okay this cloning theory is just ridiculous. Seriously? Human clones? Okay first disregarding that this cloning idea is absolutely ridiculous, we must also remember that there are three Unova Pokedex, one for the male, one for the female, and one for the rival. It's always been that way since Generation I (disregarding Yellow but then again she kept the only surviving old one while everyone else got new ones). I doubt anyone is gonna make a new Pokedex. And also, the starter situation was already complicated as it was. The having two sets of Unova starters, one fully evolved and one not evolved at all was a brilliant (and probably the only) solution. Giving out more starters for a "solution" where there is already a much better solution is just not worth it, it is way too messy, and it's already been confirmed that there are only two sets of Unova starters anyway. I can't wait for Kusaka to finally just slap on Nate and Rosa's clothes onto Black and White so that this ridiculous theory can come to an end.
    However, where's Cheren's Poke Dex?

    And I do not think Bianca's Oshawott would give anyone, then we have only N's Tepig, Cedric Juniper's Samurott, or maybe Cheren's Snivy are possible to give other people.

    Maybe we will get the descendants of the former two groups starter Pokemon.
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