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    Default Pokémon X & Y's Effect on the Metagame

    While there might not be much information on X and Y right now, we have got a bit of information about two new interesting moves-

    Parabolic charge- An electric type Giga Drain.This could mean that Bulky electric types like the Rotom forms now have a move that can help them recover HP! If it has a good distribution, Rotom-W is going to become much more annoying.

    Parting shot- This move is kind of like U-turn and Volt switch, but instead of damaging the opponent, it lowers their Attack and Special Attack! It could be used to switch to a setup sweeper, making pokemon like Cloyster much more dangerous.

    So what do you guys think?

    EDIT: Updated with English names of the moves.

    The fairy type has been confirmed, so here's the rest of what the rumor has to say about the fairy type-

    • Fairy will be a new type. It is weak to Poison and Steel, immune to Dragon, and super effective against Dragon, Dark, and Fighting-type Pokemon.

    NEW POKEMON- Honedge, a new pokemon based off a sword has been revealed. What makes it interesting though is it's typing- ghost/steel. It's ability is No guard.

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    Blaziken, Lucario, Absol, Mawile, Ampharos and Mewtwo have been confirmed to 'mega-evolve'. Lucario gets Adaptability, Absol gets Magic bounce, Mawile gets Huge power, Ampharos gets Mold breaker and an additional dragon typing, Mewtwo gets insomnia (-_-) and Blaziken gets its DW ability, speed boost, on evolving.

    Well, Lucario with Adaptability really interesting. With all the STAB priority moves it has, it may become the ultimate revenge killer.

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    Oh **** I made an Electric type Giga Drain in the Competitive create stuff thread... Lol.

    I could see Parabolic Drain helping certain monsters, especially tanks. I'd be glad if Lanturn got it, because that would mean a good recovery move. Though I could see it competiting with Volt Swtich since both effects are pretty neat.

    As for Parting Shot. Sounds meh so far. If its attack then I hope some intimidate mons get it. -2 attack anyone?

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    If Fairy is a new type and Light isn't, I will ragequit this planet. No, wait, I will make GF ragequit this planet.
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    Parting Shot lowers Attack AND Special Attack, which seems like it'll be brilliant.

    Also, doesn't Parabolic Charge imply it's a physical attack? Even so, it seems like a bit of a niche attack from the fact that it's Parabolic. Honestly, I see Porygon getting it before anything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blazios View Post
    Parting Shot lowers Attack AND Special Attack, which seems like it'll be brilliant.

    Also, doesn't Parabolic Charge imply it's a physical attack? Even so, it seems like a bit of a niche attack from the fact that it's Parabolic. Honestly, I see Porygon getting it before anything else.
    Okay then. Edited.

    Of course it's brilliant! It's a pseudo-memento, but you don't have to kill yourself, and it also gives offensive momentum to your team! Hopefully, it won't be limited to only Pancham.

    Parabolic charge seems to be a special move from the trailer, Helioptile just extends its frill, and attacks the opponent's pokemon from afar.

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    Now that I think about it, charge could be from the fact that it's regaining health.

    ...Why are there so many attacks with Charge in their name?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blazios View Post
    Now that I think about it, charge could be from the fact that it's regaining health.

    ...Why are there so many attacks with Charge in their name?
    Why are there so many attacks with Beam in their name? Thunder? Punch? I guess Gamefreak is running out of ideas.
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    Fairy type? Where'd you get that idea?

    Personally I don't think Fairy type is a good idea, but I'm willing to look at the 'evidence' if there is any.
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    I suppose I notice Charge more, since things like most of the Beams and Punches have existed since Gen 1, back when the localisation wasn't as diverse, where as Gen V alone had Flame Charge, Wild Charge and Head Charge, along with Gen 3's Charge, Gen IV's Charge Beam and now Parabolic Charge.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cometstarlight View Post
    Fairy type? Where'd you get that idea?

    Personally I don't think Fairy type is a good idea, but I'm willing to look at the 'evidence' if there is any.
    Same person who leaked the 4 English names revealed today said there would be a Fairy type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blazios View Post
    I suppose I notice Charge more, since things like most of the Beams and Punches have existed since Gen 1, back when the localisation wasn't as diverse, where as Gen V alone had Flame Charge, Wild Charge and Head Charge, along with Gen 3's Charge, Gen IV's Charge Beam and now Parabolic Charge.



    Same person who leaked the 4 English names revealed today said there would be a Fairy type.
    Wow, did NOT see that. Thanks for pointing that one out, although it says in the letter itself that it isn't confirmed yet. I'll keep an open mind about it, I just want to make sure its actually confirmed before posting it. This is also considering Serebii hasn't posted anything about it yet, fake or real. At least CoroCoro promised more news next month, so we'll see : )
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    Hmm. A Dragon-immune type might not be such a bad idea, and weak to Steel and Poison is good too. Hell, alright I like this. What older Pokemon might be reclassified as "fairy"? Celebi is an obvious one. Hell, all the BS-100s except Victini and maybe Jirachi might get it. Maybe the lake trio too, but I always thought they should have been Psychic/Ghost.

    Still, we need Light. No other game has Dark anything without having Light. Come on people.
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    Dark type already has a counterpart in the Fighting type.

    Remember, it's called the Evil type in Japan, and the Fighting types are generally all about fighting honourably, while Dark type attacks are all about fighting dirty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Divine Retribution View Post
    Hmm. A Dragon-immune type might not be such a bad idea, and weak to Steel and Poison is good too. Hell, alright I like this. What older Pokemon might be reclassified as "fairy"? Celebi is an obvious one. Hell, all the BS-100s except Victini and maybe Jirachi might get it. Maybe the lake trio too, but I always thought they should have been Psychic/Ghost.

    Still, we need Light. No other game has Dark anything without having Light. Come on people.
    As I'm sure you've heard numerous times in the threads, dark type is translated as 'evil' type in Japan. It was only created to balance out the overpower that Psychics possessed. With this in mind and just in general, light isn't necessary. Psychic is essentially our light type if this fairy type thing turns out to be fake.

    I'm not a big fan to new types to the game, just because it would switch up so much at this point. If it has to happen though, which I'm still waiting for confirmation, that will be our light type. There really doesn't need to be a light type. It's just a thought of completion at this point. Like Fire is to Water, Flying is to Ground, and Dark is to what people would believe to be light. It doesn't have to be. It's just psychic at this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cometstarlight View Post
    As I'm sure you've heard numerous times in the threads, dark type is translated as 'evil' type in Japan. It was only created to balance out the overpower that Psychics possessed. With this in mind and just in general, light isn't necessary. Psychic is essentially our light type if this fairy type thing turns out to be fake.

    I'm not a big fan to new types to the game, just because it would switch up so much at this point. If it has to happen though, which I'm still waiting for confirmation, that will be our light type. There really doesn't need to be a light type. It's just a thought of completion at this point. Like Fire is to Water, Flying is to Ground, and Dark is to what people would believe to be light. It doesn't have to be. It's just psychic at this point.
    The entire concept of darkness trumping light is something you won't find in ANY Japanese religion, ever. So, if Psychic had an advantage over Dark and not vice versa, you *might* have an argument there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Divine Retribution View Post
    The entire concept of darkness trumping light is something you won't find in ANY Japanese religion, ever. So, if Psychic had an advantage over Dark and not vice versa, you *might* have an argument there.
    If you want to cover things you find in Japanese religion, you will see that neither light nor darkness defeats the other. Rather, they are balanced. When light becomes overpowered, it needs to be weakened. Vice versa. Blazios also explained that a little bit.


    The point is, we don't need a light type. I think its only wanted for the sake that we don't have one and that games usually have light and dark. Besides, we have fighting, a fairly common type, and bug, which just got boosted in the 5th gen. Even then: Dark has one of, if not the, weakest moveset as a whole. That also keeps it in check. It's not the strongest, but only has two weaknesses. Psychic has three and is extremely powerful, even after Dark was added.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cometstarlight View Post
    If you want to cover things you find in Japanese religion, you will see that neither light nor darkness defeats the other. Rather, they are balanced. When light becomes overpowered, it needs to be weakened. Vice versa. Blazios also explained that a little bit.


    The point is, we don't need a light type. I think its only wanted for the sake that we don't have one and that games usually have light and dark. Besides, we have fighting, a fairly common type, and bug, which just got boosted in the 5th gen. Even then: Dark has one of, if not the, weakest moveset as a whole. That also keeps it in check. It's not the strongest, but only has two weaknesses. Psychic has three and is extremely powerful, even after Dark was added.
    We don't need a Fairy type, now do we?


    Psychic isn't OP at all. In fact, it's one of the most underwhelming coverage types there is. Nothing runs Psychic moves unless it's using it as a STAB attack. Dark and Steel were added to balance Psychic and Dragon, this is true, but Psychic also gained a resistance to itself, and Dragon hits nothing except other Dragons super effectively anyways, so they're balanced. Also, Steel and Dark were largely demanded by the fanbase at the time, and I can honestly say that I haven't even heard of the possibility of a Fairy type until about two weeks ago.
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    Imagine if Terrakion got Parting Shot, or Lati@s or just about any fast Pokémon, it would be popular in an instant as you can set up on something with lowered offenses and do your sweep. Parabolic Charge is interesting too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by your boss View Post
    Imagine if Terrakion got Parting Shot, or Lati@s or just about any fast Pokémon, it would be popular in an instant as you can set up on something with lowered offenses and do your sweep. Parabolic Charge is interesting too.
    It might be a little OP if Lati@s got it though, their speed tier is really high, and it also gets rid of their best counter, Tyranitar. I don't really see them getting it.

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    I like how Parting Shot is basically a better Memento (though Memento sharply lowers the stats).

    I do wish they'd buff Memento...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Divine Retribution View Post
    We don't need a Fairy type, now do we?


    Psychic isn't OP at all. In fact, it's one of the most underwhelming coverage types there is. Nothing runs Psychic moves unless it's using it as a STAB attack. Dark and Steel were added to balance Psychic and Dragon, this is true, but Psychic also gained a resistance to itself, and Dragon hits nothing except other Dragons super effectively anyways, so they're balanced. Also, Steel and Dark were largely demanded by the fanbase at the time, and I can honestly say that I haven't even heard of the possibility of a Fairy type until about two weeks ago.
    I'm talking about when Dark was introduced. Gen 1: Psychic was WAY OP and thus new types were introduced to counter act that. Do I think we need a Fairy type? Just as much as we 'need' a light type. In short, we don't. I do, though, see Fairy as the light type you desire and if Fairy does become confirmed, then so be it. And what's this, "Steel and Dark were largely demanded by the fanbase,"? I have seen no proof that fans clamoured for this. Steel and Dark were introduced for the sake of balance, they thought it was going to be their last game, and it added a little depth to the original 150 everyone knew and loved as well as the new ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Divine Retribution View Post
    We don't need a Fairy type, now do we?
    This. Introducing new types will beg the question "Should past pokemon be retyped?" and then the entire metagame will likely be changed forever. Pokemon like Meleotta and Exploud would have their normal typing replaced with "Sound", then the likes of Clefable and Wigglytuff would become "Fairy", so there'd be less normal pokemon. Moreso, when steel and dark were introduced in gen 2, only the magnemite family were retyped. But because gen 6 would introduce new types, it would mean that far too many pokemon would be retyped, and there would be less amount of normal typed pokemon.

    That is, with the belief that having three types will not be introduced in gen 6.

    I'm all up for new moves and pokemon, but introducing new types after having at least 649 new pokemon is crazy. And I liked the types of Dark and Steel, as Dark was something new and Steel offered new opportunities. Types like light, fairy and sound just don't appeal to me; we have so many pokemon based with abilities on sound and also have their species based on aspets of sound (Exploud), fairies are already here with pokemon like Clefable but with normal typings. As for light, the same arguement with sound.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I-am-the-peel View Post
    This. Introducing new types will beg the question "Should past pokemon be retyped?" and then the entire metagame will likely be changed forever. Pokemon like Meleotta and Exploud would have their normal typing replaced with "Sound", then the likes of Clefable and Wigglytuff would become "Fairy", so there'd be less normal pokemon. Moreso, when steel and dark were introduced in gen 2, only the magnemite family were retyped. But because gen 6 would introduce new types, it would mean that far too many pokemon would be retyped, and there would be less amount of normal typed pokemon.

    That is, with the belief that having three types will not be introduced in gen 6.



    I'm all up for new moves and pokemon, but introducing new types after having at least 649 new pokemon is crazy. And I liked the types of Dark and Steel, as Dark was something new and Steel offered new opportunities. Types like light, fairy and sound just don't appeal to me; we have so many pokemon based with abilities on sound and also have their species based on aspets of sound (Exploud), fairies are already here with pokemon like Clefable but with normal typings. As for light, the same arguement with sound.
    I think -maybe- we have room to squeeze in one more type, but Fairy? It wouldn't be my first choice, but I guess that's why I don't work at GF. ;p
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    Quote Originally Posted by Divine Retribution View Post
    I think -maybe- we have room to squeeze in one more type, but Fairy? It wouldn't be my first choice, but I guess that's why I don't work at GF. ;p
    Types like Light and Sound, could, work in some form, but I still don't think it's right. Dark and Steel were only created to bring a balance to the types in the metagame, as many complained that psychic and dragons dominated the metagame. There is some sort of balance to the metagame now, so I don't see the point in creating new types, aside from adding something new to the games to attract more gamers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I-am-the-peel View Post
    Types like Light and Sound, could, work in some form, but I still don't think it's right. Dark and Steel were only created to bring a balance to the types in the metagame, as many complained that psychic and dragons dominated the metagame. There is some sort of balance to the metagame now, so I don't see the point in creating new types, aside from adding something new to the games to attract more gamers.
    Dragons dominated the metagame? The only RBY Dragon move was Dragon Rage... They added Steel so they could start adding decent Dragon moves to the game. We got DragonBreath, Twister, and Outrage in gen 2, Dragon Claw in gen 3, and Dragon Rush and Pulse in gen 4.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Divine Retribution View Post
    Dragons dominated the metagame? The only RBY Dragon move was Dragon Rage... They added Steel so they could start adding decent Dragon moves to the game. We got DragonBreath, Twister, and Outrage in gen 2, Dragon Claw in gen 3, and Dragon Rush and Pulse in gen 4.
    If I recall correctly, the primary reason they added Dark and Steel in generation II was to prevent Psychic-type Pokémon and moves from becoming too powerful. Secondarily, Dragon was deemed to be not very effective to Steel only because of how they wanted to convey the Steel type's matchups against other types.





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