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    New types are just dumb can we agree on that? Anyways, parting shot sounds really cool, but it will only work on things that don't need 4 slots, like scarf latios or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmic Potato View Post
    New types are just dumb can we agree on that? Anyways, parting shot sounds really cool, but it will only work on things that don't need 4 slots, like scarf latios or something.
    That is subjective, you may think new types are a dumbfounded concept but others might appreciate something new and fresh to the series. And I disagree on new types being dumb. I also want a Fire variation of Volt Switch/U-turn but being a special move.


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    I love how no one is talking about how this "source" is claiming that some moves will be duel typed... not sure I'd like that at all or how it would work :P

    On that note, Fairy better not happen, doesn't need to imo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joltik-Kid View Post
    I love how no one is talking about how this "source" is claiming that some moves will be duel typed... not sure I'd like that at all or how it would work :P

    On that note, Fairy better not happen, doesn't need to imo
    Honestly, the Fairy type will give something else besides Steel types to take on Dragon types, and another dragon buffer was much needed imo. It will also be able to weaken Terrakion, who has had a giant impact on the metagame. The only MAJOR downfall I see is that now Scizor will get even more usage, since Fairy's are weak to steel. SD Scolipede will also rise to ou

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparkbeat View Post
    Honestly, the Fairy type will give something else besides Steel types to take on Dragon types, and another dragon buffer was much needed imo. It will also be able to weaken Terrakion, who has had a giant impact on the metagame. The only MAJOR downfall I see is that now Scizor will get even more usage, since Fairy's are weak to steel. SD Scolipede will also rise to ou
    Dragons are their own worst enemy and a lot of Ice types can outspeed them (or you've got Ice shard for that) and the only high competitive Dragon that isn't duel typed is Haxorus, which is easy to counter thanks to it's awkward base 97 speed. So a Pokemon with an immunity to Dragon isn't all that necessary in my book.

    Onto that duel typing moves thing... someone brought it up elsewhere, but if a move is Normal/Fire, how does that work against something with a Fire immunity or Ghost type? That's why I don't believe the source
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    We don't need new types. Light-type & Fairy-type? who need that? for what? to kill the mediocre dark-types? Oh right, if that's the case then they might as well create a new type called "Knight" type, which is specifically made to slay the mighty dragons loll.

    Anyway, simply by reading the description those 2 moves completely aroused me. Parting Shot, I really like the idea of this move. It's a great move to aid sweepers such as Kyurem B, Dragonite, Scizor, etc. to set up.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Joltik-Kid View Post
    Dragons are their own worst enemy and a lot of Ice types can outspeed them (or you've got Ice shard for that) and the only high competitive Dragon that isn't duel typed is Haxorus, which is easy to counter thanks to it's awkward base 97 speed. So a Pokemon with an immunity to Dragon isn't all that necessary in my book.

    Onto that duel typing moves thing... someone brought it up elsewhere, but if a move is Normal/Fire, how does that work against something with a Fire immunity or Ghost type? That's why I don't believe the source
    The Pokébeach rumour has some pretty weird stuff in it, but it leaked the English names before they were confirmed, and the Pokébeach guy said that he posted all this stuff because his source had told him that there was going to be an electric type Giga drain-esque move sometime in February.

    If Togekiss got a Fairy/Flying typing, it could be a massive improvement. 4x resist to fighting, and immunities to Dragon and ground. It would probably make OU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bolt View Post
    The Pokébeach rumour has some pretty weird stuff in it, but it leaked the English names before they were confirmed, and the Pokébeach guy said that he posted all this stuff because his source had told him that there was going to be an electric type Giga drain-esque move sometime in February.

    If Togekiss got a Fairy/Flying typing, it could be a massive improvement. 4x resist to fighting, and immunities to Dragon and ground. It would probably make OU.
    The only reason Togekiss ISN'T OU is because Jirachi exists. If Togekiss got something to set it apart from Jirachi, it would definitely be OU material.
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    The only thing I can tell for now is that Parting Shot sounds rather....interesting to say the least. I could see that possibly becoming a problem if it's not limited on how many pokes receive it and who, or if there isn't some kind of ability/item that cancels effects in addition to what we do have now. Guess gamefreak thought we needed more opportunities to setup sweeps...?


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    Parting Shot might just be one of the greatest new tools for offensive teams in Gen 6. You're pretty much using a boost-less Baton Pass that gives the switch-in an Intimidate that works on both the Atk and SpA stats. This could greatly help setup sweepers by not only putting the momentum in their favor, but giving them much easier setup opportunities.

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    I do like that Parting Shot and any similar moves might help us move away from the currently largely power-based metagame by shitting all over offensive teams.
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    Lol, I'm actually predicting the exact opposite. I think Parting Shot is going to just be another step in the offensive direction. Sure, defensive teams might like the reduction in power, but defensive teams are also slow paced and need something that's going to last longer than until the opposing Pokemon switch out. Offensive Pokemon, on the other hand, only need a turn or two to get set up and completely wreak whatever's in front of them. That turn that the opposing Pokemon is forced to switch out is just what many setup sweepers need, and this same principle is why Dual Screens and Memento are abused best by offensive teams and have little to no use on defensive ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bolt View Post
    The Pokébeach rumour has some pretty weird stuff in it, but it leaked the English names before they were confirmed, and the Pokébeach guy said that he posted all this stuff because his source had told him that there was going to be an electric type Giga drain-esque move sometime in February.

    If Togekiss got a Fairy/Flying typing, it could be a massive improvement. 4x resist to fighting, and immunities to Dragon and ground. It would probably make OU.
    Knowing names doesn't make the rest of the stuff said true...a lot of people speculated Tsutaja would be name Snivy in English and low and behold, that turned out to be true
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    It's hard for me to know whether or not this source is legit or not. Honestly, I'm not really wanting new types. I know people complain about Dragon being too powerful, but it actually makes some sense, seeing as dragons are usually depicted as incredibly powerful beings, plus Dragon is really only powerful because of neutral coverage instead of super-effective coverage.

    While I really don't want new types, I'll still get the game regardless if they add any or not. I just don't think it's really all that necessary at this point.
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    Eww, I really hope Rotom can't learn parabolic drain. The washer's bulky enough without it.

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    I think what scares me about the "Fairy" type is that it has no purpose than to try and "balance" types. It really has no other function based on how it matches with other types.
    -It's weak to Poison and Steel, two types that have very little super-effective coverage.
    -It's immune to Dragon, a type that is considered the best to due it's great neutral coverage.
    -It's super-effective against Dragon, Dark, and Fighting, all of which are types with only two weaknesses.

    Honestly, it just seems like they are trying really hard to "balance" some types when it is not nearly as necessary as it was back when they introduced Dark and Steel back in Gen. II.
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    Poor Dark. Now Dark's case of the-metagame-hates-me is going to get worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bolt View Post
    While there might not be much information on X and Y right now, we have got a bit of information about two new interesting moves-

    Parabolic charge- An electric type Giga Drain.This could mean that Bulky electric types like the Rotom forms now have a move that can help them recover HP! If it has a good distribution, Rotom-W is going to become much more annoying.

    Parting shot- This move is kind of like U-turn and Volt switch, but instead of damaging the opponent, it lowers their Attack and Special Attack! It could be used to switch to a setup sweeper, making pokemon like Cloyster much more dangerous.


    So what do you guys think?

    EDIT: Updated with English names of the moves.

    There's a lot of evidence pointing to a new 'fairy type' so I might as well post that too-

    • Fairy will be a new type. It is weak to Poison and Steel, immune to Dragon, and super effective against Dragon, Dark, and Fighting-type Pokemon.
    Very true. Electric giga drain would wreck water types, like giga drain. Now water types should be scared like hell, there is a new threat for them inb this game. The new electric move, and electric moves are already great at water but healing. ANOTHER GIGA DRAIN! THE WATER TYPES ARE CRYING NOW!
    The FAIRY TYPE? What in the world? The light and sound type makes sense but fairy? Maybe we should grab jigglypuff and cle"fairy" and change their types.
    I dont think fairy type would be in, and if there is a new type it's probably light or sound.
    Competitive battlers in X and Y would be crying with this new electric giga drain. Making the rotom who tend to find themselves on peoples teams MORE ANNOYING! so you are right there. And parting shot is probably gonna be a great strategy. luckey I dont competitive battle or i'll probably suck in all the battles in X and Y.
    Parting Shot HAS to have side effects to the user or something or have only 5 turns to use parting shot and then PP is out or that it doesn't hit that much or doewsn't hit every second turn.



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    Quote Originally Posted by telivisionhead View Post
    Very true. Electric giga drain would wreck water types, like giga drain. Now water types should be scared like hell, there is a new threat for them inb this game. The new electric move, and electric moves are already great at water but healing. ANOTHER GIGA DRAIN! THE WATER TYPES ARE CRYING NOW!
    The FAIRY TYPE? What in the world? The light and sound type makes sense but fairy? Maybe we should grab jigglypuff and cle"fairy" and change their types.
    I dont think fairy type would be in, and if there is a new type it's probably light or sound.
    Competitive battlers in X and Y would be crying with this new electric giga drain. Making the rotom who tend to find themselves on peoples teams MORE ANNOYING! so you are right there. And parting shot is probably gonna be a great strategy. luckey I dont competitive battle or i'll probably suck in all the battles in X and Y.
    Parting Shot HAS to have side effects to the user or something or have only 5 turns to use parting shot and then PP is out or that it doesn't hit that much or doewsn't hit every second turn.
    I hope we can get an ulti-rain killer that's a Grass/Electric with Mold Breaker and can learn Giga Drain and Parabolic Charge. AlthoughI think Parabolic charge won't kill off rain teams, since Gen 6 is bound to have a frenzy of weather abusers.

    And fairy type? Has that even been confirmed yet, or is it just some rumor? If it's the latter, I'm going to tell everyone that there's going to be a garbage type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joltik-Kid View Post
    Knowing names doesn't make the rest of the stuff said true...a lot of people speculated Tsutaja would be name Snivy in English and low and behold, that turned out to be true
    Um........ I think you just contradicted yourself a little...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Divine Retribution View Post
    Um........ I think you just contradicted yourself a little...
    How exactly? None of them were going around claiming new typings were being introduce or that moves would become duel typings. What I was getting at is it's easier to figure out names then it is to claim drastic changes are gonna be made
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joltik-Kid View Post
    How exactly? None of them were going around claiming new typings were being introduce or that moves would become duel typings
    You said that knowing names is irrelevant, then used people predicting Snivy's name as an example. So you didn't really contradict yourself, but you kind of went in circles there.

    Anyways, anyone know what Fairy's supposed weaknesses will be? I hear it will be weak to Fire, so DragonFire still gets flawless coverage, which is nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Divine Retribution View Post
    You said that knowing names is irrelevant, then used people predicting Snivy's name as an example. So you didn't really contradict yourself, but you kind of went in circles there.

    Anyways, anyone know what Fairy's supposed weaknesses will be? I hear it will be weak to Fire, so DragonFire still gets flawless coverage, which is nice.
    "Fairy" is supposed to be weak to Poison and Steel. This is why I commented that the "Fairy" type just sounds like an attempt to "balance" types, as Poison and Steel have crappy super-effective coverage.
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    I liked the thought of it being weak to Poison and Steel when I first heard it for the sole fact that Poison sucks offensively and it may be a reason to use the type.

    Of course, if it IS super effective against Ice like Smash is implying, then that saddens me, because I was hoping for Ice to resist it.

    Oh, also if it's SE against Dark like the rumour, then Wondertomb's dead. That's interesting.

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    Until further evidence to back up the 'fairy' type and dual typed attacks, I'm not going to believe it. It would only complicate things more now that there are going to be over 700 pokemon.
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