I could see Dark and Fairy be SE against each other, and Poison SE against Fairy as well. Not sure about Ghost...because it's SE against so many others.
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Every time I see someone use the word "girly" I want to stab something with a fork. I don't care what. What does girly even mean? Pink? I certainly hope not.
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wait....some people here think xerneas is "girly"?? what the heck? why are you all so determined to slap this label onto fairy type? there is... nothing "girly" or feminine about xerneas. that sharply angled face looks quite youthfully masculine to me. it also looks nothing like an MLP pony -- where did that come from?
fairy type probably will have many cute and pink pokemon, but so do... a lot of the types. even electric has a cute fluffy pink pokemon! and it's electric type! xerneas is like the big dealbreaker for the "fairy is gay" camp. the rainbow move means nothing, unless you're trying to make it mean something. xerneas represents life to yvetal's death -- that's why the colors to yvetal's lack of them. gender means nothing.
and if xerneas is "girly", and fairy is too girly, and thats your opinion and it will not be swayed...what's the problem again? we have more than enough "manly" pokemon. why are so many male gamers so threatened by this new type?? even if fairy turns out to be super girly...why is that a bad thing, again? a lot of the internet really needs to watch its mouth and stop using the terms gay and girly to denounce fairy type. using those terms in a negative way is not okay.
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I think Xerneas is girly, if not as overtly so as Sylveon or Flabébé. It's girly in that it's graceful. Like how a unicorn is girly. Unicorns are only rarely pink, usually white, hairy more than fluffy, and not particularly rainbow, even if they can often be found running beneath rainbows. But they're girly because they're graceful, and their gracefulness earns them their place on the folders and stretchable book covers of schoolgirls. You can imagine seeing a girl in an enchanted forest slowly walking up to Xerneas and petting it. Riding Yveltal into battle and wreaking havoc are more of a boy's fantasy. Due to nature or nurture, that's up for debate, but I think it's clear that that's the reason Xerneas starts with X and Yveltal starts with Y.
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Can we please refrain from such comments regarding the type.
Now, allow me to educate you (in as much as I can bothered since it's morning and I'm having breakfast). Contrary to what Disney have done, Faeries have not been "girly" little beings made for good. Faeries are actually tricksters, demons who trick humans. They're more than just pixies but they include such things as Gargoyles, Grotesques etc.
I mean look at the Fairy-types we have. Which actually look like the "girly" fairy you think
Marill - No
Gardevoir - No
Jigglypuff - No
Xerneas - Hell no
Sylveon - No
Flabébé - As close as we'll get, but no
Spritzee - No
Swirlix - No
So, can we drop this "Fairy is girly" crap? This is why I wanted it to be called "Mystic-type". People are too judgmental
I hope that, if there is a Lucario/Zoroark Pokémon this Gen, (which we "should" have seen by now), it would be Fairy. But I don't expect one now.
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Haha, Serebii's getting feisty. XD
To add to that though, Slenderman is a fairy. So whoever says this Fairy = Girly crap shouldn't go near the forest any time soon.
Mystic doesn't make sense though, Serebii, it's way too vague. For example, all legendary Pokemon are Mystical, and crap.
I'm glad to see it looks like Poison has got another resistance. I mean when Draining Kiss was used on Skrelp, it made a NVE sound, and Water isn't exactly the weakest type.
I don't agree with the Mystic-type aspect of your comment, because it is just too broad, even by the standards of Pokemon, it technically could be used to to describe nearly every legendary Pokemon, and most non-legendary.
However, everything else you said, it so utterly true. Not a single Fairy-type Pokemon makes me go, oh, that was designed to be more appealing to a girl. It has driven me crazy from day one that there are some, particularly men, that are really weird in terms of how they've reacted to this new type, what is wrong with you people. I can't recall this type of reaction to something since the days that Pokemon contests first came into being, and I actually liked them, as a side challenge.
In the words of Kirstie Alley in For Richer or Poorer, "Aren't there mornings when you wake up and you think, "Oh, I am just so in the mood to wear pink."?". Seriously, pink is not a representation of all things girly, and the idea of what is girly in the first place is just a bad line of thought, because there's this impulsive nature to such lines of thought to be demeaning and belittling.
Anyways, there is nothing overtly obvious about xerneas's appearance that suggests that it's girly besides its sparkles...it has antlers, a key trait of male cervids (save caribou)...it's very angular and sharp....however, it is still a deer, something that is associated with femininity...it has rainbows coming off of it as well and it shoots rainbows out of the ground...If you just think about it even a little...Now forget about what xerneas looks like and read a description...."a graceful four-legged herbivorous ungulate (hoofed mammal) that has horns that light up with the colors of the rainbow"...now what do you picture? If raised in a stereotypical western society with a stereotypical western influence and upbringing, it's obvious that the reader should see something "girly"...Now we won't go into the cultural argument since that's an honors thesis all its own...
Now, keep in mind, "girly" doesn't equate to "bad", I'm not trying to make people angry, I'm not arguing that xerneas IS girly, just that it CAN be seen as girly and makes complete sense if it is, and I'm definitely not saying that all the fairies or fairy types pokemon are girly and should be (although the ones revealed so far arguably are and it shouldn't be surprising if they do all end up girly)...I'm just trying to explain and clear up a concept that people seem to be misunderstanding...being pink DOESN'T make something girly, having long eyelashes DOESN'T make something girly...but both are common attributes of things that are regarded as such...but the verdict is still determined by the actual item being referred to...look at slowbro, it's pink yet not girly, look at lilligant, it's not pink yet very girly....Also, I'm very bored with this drought we are having...
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Also, the "Western Culture" view on what is and is not feminine and what is and is not masculine is utterly stupid. I've lived in the US my entire life, and I'm sorry, with general observations from a young age I could see that the whole boys do this while girls do that "Westernized" view was a load of hogwash. Try living in a house with a single mom and a younger sister, the gender stereo-types all get thrown out the window when the reality of what's important sets in.
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Also, I agree, the stereotypical western culture is a load of BS...but that's not what we are arguing lol...everything needs a standard to be based off of and the one to use in this situation is the stereotypical western upbringing...from what I can see, your family was definitely not stereotypical lol...
See, why can't arguments be more like this, something that is intellectual where the goal is to understand the opposing view rather than some attempt to debunk the opposition and prove that your own point is the only truth....
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If I recall correctly all deer belong to the king, so Xerneas as a jewel encrusted stag kind of works.
I would love a fairy move like this
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Right now I don't see Fairy as "girly" but more of "cute". With Xerneas being the sole exception.
Sure, the fairies in folklore are often tricksters and far from cute, but that is not what GF has shown us.
Pokemon like Marill, Jigglypuff and Swirlix don't seem to have anything magical or mythical about them, they just seem to be Fairy for being cute. (Swirlix is base on a pun, but nothing in the actual Pokemon have anything mythical about it)
And before anyone labels me for being a sexist for calling "cute" a bad type, the reason I dislike that direction is only because it is way to vague, like if we should have cool and scary as types too.
That is why I really really want GF to show us some more mythical and scarier looking faries soon, so it actually could have been name the magical/mythical type.
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So you could say I have more of a problem with Pokemon who has a type that is not reflected, than Pokemon who should reflect a type,but lack the type.