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    Literally can't remember the last time I posted here, but one topic has been irking me for a while now, and don't confuse this with bashing, but is it me or has nothing actually useful (minus Charizard's return) happened since the (underwhelming) league? I mean the span between generation 5 and 6 has been shorter than usual, only two and a half years compared to the usual four, and while the current team seemed more sophisticated in terms of rotation and such, it all seems pretty rushed, so I'm curious, was a filler saga with nothing of consequence really justified when half the team is underdeveloped and unevolved? The timing just seems off to me compared with the usual pacing and time frame, and while this may be the elephant in the room, am I the only one to have this view?

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    Maybe they ran out of animation budget so they figured they may as well move the League and Episode N forward so that it would have something half-decent.

    Or maybe they wanted the League to happen early on because Ash already had 8 badges after about a year and a half. We'd still be in a league training arc with no actual training otherwise.

    Or maybe they just clung to the idea of Unova being Kanto 2.0 that they just HAD to pull an Orange Islands 2.0 too.

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    The head writer from DP and most of AG largely stepped down from the series. Tomioka only wrote a handful of BW episodes.

    That's the reason Best Wishes seems so different compared to the writing style of the show we had for most of AG and DP.

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    Everything was against BW after the quake. It was a shorter gen, an earthquake screwed over the major evil team, and there was a much larger "third game" for the anime to deal with. There are multiple reasons why BW ended up the way it did, it wasn't just the shorter gen.
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    Still doesn't account the poor filler saga. They could have turned the World Tournament idea from the games into another Battle Frontier type arc but didn't.

    This is the first time Ash is actually just traveling for the sake of it, he's not challenging anyone or pursuing his goal at all.

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    Did the quake really affect that much? I thought the original Plasma team were going to have limited appearances anyway because the decision had already been made to make Team Rocket the main villains. I also heard that the Meteonite was supposed to be part of the plot to capture the Therian trio. And the production team would have been well into the process of making all of the episodes as far as the Subway arc before the quake, and there were lots of terrible ones including the arc itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberCubed View Post
    Still doesn't account the poor filler saga. They could have turned the World Tournament idea from the games into another Battle Frontier type arc but didn't.

    This is the first time Ash is actually just traveling for the sake of it, he's not challenging anyone or pursuing his goal at all.
    Yeah, I can't make excuses for DA! lol. I literally have no idea why they did it.

    Quote Originally Posted by SlimeStack View Post
    Did the quake really affect that much? I thought the original Plasma team were going to have limited appearances anyway because the decision had already been made to make Team Rocket the main villains.
    I find this hard to believe. But we really can't tell what the writers wanted from TP. But there is no way they were not going to put N into the anime. He's really popular, even in the early days of Black and White.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlimeStack View Post
    Did the quake really affect that much? I thought the original Plasma team were going to have limited appearances anyway because the decision had already been made to make Team Rocket the main villains. I also heard that the Meteonite was supposed to be part of the plot to capture the Therian trio. And the production team would have been well into the process of making all of the episodes as far as the Subway arc before the quake, and there were lots of terrible ones including the arc itself.
    I have to agree, if two episodes effected the rest of the series, then that's pretty freaking sad, I mean they have these episodes planned in advance so what about episodes after those two?

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    Nah you aren't alone. Most people here think Da is a bunch of un eventful fillers, some are very vocally against this view though.

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    We know that the six months after the canceled two-parter were what was planned and probably a bit after that, but we don't know about anything past that, including the N arc. Additionally, Gamefreak's decision to make sequels happened fairly late, at a point when the anime writers would likely have had the generation loosely planned out and the first arc well under way. The anime was basically dealt a one-two punch in terms of following its plans this gen.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SlimeStack View Post
    Did the quake really affect that much? I thought the original Plasma team were going to have limited appearances anyway because the decision had already been made to make Team Rocket the main villains. I also heard that the Meteonite was supposed to be part of the plot to capture the Therian trio. And the production team would have been well into the process of making all of the episodes as far as the Subway arc before the quake, and there were lots of terrible ones including the arc itself.
    All the earthquake affected was the skipping/retconning/banishment (?) of the original BW023 and BW024. The episodes have to be prepared so far in advance that not only the Subway arc, but possibly as far as almost to the Tirtouga arc was in some form of production by the time those episodes were skipped, be it in animation or scripting.

    I doubt the Meteonite was meant to be directly linked to the Kami Trio, but had those episodes aired, I think we would have seen a consistent theme throughout Unova with Team Rocket's missions except for the Tirtouga one. One of the scans leading to the retconned episodes heavily implied that the Meteonite could control the weather and other natural phenomena (such as an erupting volcano) and its name is literally a pun that can be translated as "Weather Night." The running theme throughout BW was meant to be that Team Rocket was going to use weather/nature control to conquer Unova.

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    The head writer from DP and most of AG largely stepped down from the series. Tomioka only wrote a handful of BW episodes..
    Good Gravy was that it?

    I guess I feel slightly better knowing that the changes in writing style's due to different people writing the series. The difference is like day and night. Even the stuff they tried to keep the same like post Team Plasma Team Rocket feel different.

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    Same here... I haven't really been watching a single episode. It just doesn't seem worth the time

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great Butler View Post
    All the earthquake affected was the skipping/retconning/banishment (?) of the original BW023 and BW024. The episodes have to be prepared so far in advance that not only the Subway arc, but possibly as far as almost to the Tirtouga arc was in some form of production by the time those episodes were skipped, be it in animation or scripting.
    But did it effect Team Plasma's role in the anime? I doubt Team Plasma was only going to be seen for one two-parter and then disappear until after the league. Is it possible that Team Plasma was meant to be in some of the other team rocket two-parters but were taken out (besides the subway two-parter)?

    All this just really makes me wonder what the writers really wanted to do with Team Plasma in the anime. It also makes me wonder when the writers learned of BW2 and that there was going to be more Team Plasma to cover than just the stuff in BW.
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    I'm surprised that the DA filler arc is getting so much hate. I mean BW as a whole has been really bad imo, and I don't think DA is any worse to be honest. At least there's more comedy and some fan service here and there. I'm not a huge fan of how this arc is being handled, and I do wish Ash would train his neglected Pokemon, but it could be worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by diakyu View Post
    But did it effect Team Plasma's role in the anime? I doubt Team Plasma was only going to be seen for one two-parter and then disappear until after the league. Is it possible that Team Plasma was meant to be in some of the other team rocket two-parters but were taken out (besides the subway two-parter)?
    The episodes were already either done or nearly done. Team Plasma could not have showed up any earlier than Season 2, ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great Butler View Post
    The episodes were already either done or nearly done. Team Plasma could not have showed up any earlier than Season 2, ever.
    Huh, well then at that point I guess the decision was already made to push them past the league (well that was probably made long before Best Wishes 2). It's a shame I guess. I would've like to see what BW would've been like if all this hadn't happened to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pokemonsquared View Post
    Nah you aren't alone. Most people here think Da is a bunch of un eventful fillers, some are very vocally against this view though.
    What I don't understand is that people who like BW are new to the anime, disliked a good chunk of past series, like a certain BW character, or just don't care anymore. Is this an accurate description or am I not seeing everything correctly?

    This series has been pretty frustrating and it hurts as an older fan to see this happen.




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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great Butler View Post
    The episodes were already either done or nearly done. Team Plasma could not have showed up any earlier than Season 2, ever.
    I disagree, they couldn't have went as far with the episodes, and edits obviously happened. As much as you will try to defend BW, in reality you're aware what's true and what obviously not. Same with TP appearing pre-league.

    We were also supposed to get Looker, an old character in a season where they removed almost every pre Gen-V Poke and Human bar Delia, Oak and Ash.

    It's obviously obvious that the Earthquake REALLY affected Best Wishes as a whole. That's why i also don't except TR to be any serious in Gen VI, studio wants to keep it safe from unexpected events like this ever happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlimeStack View Post
    Did the quake really affect that much? I thought the original Plasma team were going to have limited appearances anyway because the decision had already been made to make Team Rocket the main villains. I also heard that the Meteonite was supposed to be part of the plot to capture the Therian trio. And the production team would have been well into the process of making all of the episodes as far as the Subway arc before the quake, and there were lots of terrible ones including the arc itself.
    This. 1000x THIS!

    Seriously, people keep building up those episodes as if they were the end all be all of all episodes and were going to be the best of the whole series since its beginning and that by them not airing, it ruined the Best Wishes series. People don't want to see to acknowledge the fact that they went going to be as good as they were building it up to be and the series was just poorly written all around.

    And to answer the OP, It's not just you. Nothing of semblance (And I'm starting to include Charizard's return to this list) has happened in this filler arc.
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    BW was early on fast paced. It was detremined to end fast.

    XY game plans were made probabl the DAY they released BW and the release date was detrmined than. I presume that the quake messed with BW's storyline and I believe they ment to follow the BW story of an interuppted league. After which Episode N and Decorola would be featured and than they would come back to the League.
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    I'm With you on this.. kinda.. as people know, i severally hated this saga

    It didn't even feel like pokemon "team rocket turned into drones" "iris was underpowered, then overpowered" "cilan had no real goal" "ash was an idiot" and the episodes were far to fast, the writers were trying to fit 3 episodes into 1.

    anyways, i'm in love with da, so yeh :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoennDreamer View Post
    I'm With you on this.. kinda.. as people know, i severally hated this saga

    It didn't even feel like pokemon "team rocket turned into drones" "iris was underpowered, then overpowered" "cilan had no real goal" "ash was an idiot" and the episodes were far to fast, the writers were trying to fit 3 episodes into 1.

    anyways, i'm in love with da, so yeh :P
    Only the bolded part changed, so I don't know why you think Da is so much better than the rest of Bw when its almost exactly alike except for the TR thing obviously. Bw has been a big mess as I'm sure others will agree and since Da is part of Bw, it follows that Da is also bad story arc. I might even say its worse than the rest of Bw since at least Ash had a goal in the main Bw story arc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob Black View Post
    Only the bolded part changed, so I don't know why you think Da is so much better than the rest of Bw when its almost exactly alike except for the TR thing obviously. Bw has been a big mess as I'm sure others will agree and since Da is part of Bw, it follows that Da is also bad story arc. I might even say its worse than the rest of Bw since at least Ash had a goal in the main Bw story arc.
    Well i like da for a few simple reasons

    Team rocket have returned to their old selves, some of the older music returned, and it's filled with johto like fillers "which i like"
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    One pisode that really made me evaluate this series was the latest dub one, Meowth, Colress & Team Plasma. I mean... the great team rocket and plasma storyline was supported by GETTING A SEED OUT OF PIGNITE'S NOSE!! LIKE SERIOUSLY? Ash could of spent his time working on training one of his Pokémon, improve something, possibly some kind of character development for one of the Pokémon (How about sorting Oshawott's attitude towards battling?) but no.. let's put in a completely stupid sidestory.


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