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    Overview (in my own style this time, don't worry, Webmaster)
    Well, Kingdra is odd in a good way. These stats seriously need a boost, and luckily, Kingdra gets Dragon Dance. In Gen II it wasn't outclassed either, it was entirely different from the other Dragons. Like a warstory's title I've read lately, Kingdra always said: "I'm not going down". In Gen III it wasn't smashed with Salamence's arrival, or outclassed by Flygon. I mean, it faced trouble for other reasons, but it didn't go down, and in Gen IV, it got all it needed to rule OU. Palkia wasn't trouble as it was sent to Ubers. Gen V... What's coming now? Well, it was dropped into UU, but it's not going down, still. It didn't get an useful Hidden Ability, but it doesn't matter for it. It has always got one good advantage: Only weak to Dragon, and Dragons themselves risk to receive a boosted Outrage or a Dragon Pulse or Draco Meteor in their faces... In Gen VI the Fairy-type might ruin this advantage, so... What's next? Don't give up, Kingdra!

    King-Dragon Dance
    -Dragon Dance
    -Outrage
    -Waterfall
    -Substitute
    Adamant or Jolly
    Leftovers/Expert Belt/Muscle Band/Lum Berry
    252 Atk/252 Spe/4... HP, Def or SDef???
    Got my pun? Kingdra... gon Dance? OK, let's go. Well... Expert Belt over Life Orb, and there's the reason. Often I see sets with Substitute, Life Orb and no Recovery or Magic Guard or at least Sheer Force... Fatal Error. This is smashing yourself. Muscle Band is also usable if you don't think you'll hit much super-effectively. Or Leftovers, to recover after setting up a Substitute. Lum Berry, however, allows a second Outraging rampage. Anyway, use Substitute on something that can't hurt you too much, Dragon Dance once or twice depending on what you're facing and attack with your fierce STAB moves. Switching might be forced by an incoming Empoleon, but if you have obtained enough boosts (+3 for offensives, I guess, and +5 for defensives???) it will eventually fall as well. Nothing else in UU resists your combination, so Kingdra, when used correctly, can sweep entire teams.

    Other usable sets
    A set more suited for Rain can be used with Swift Swim. Self-Supporting Rain is usable as well.
    Mixed Dragon Dance started to show off in the competitive environment, and it can work in Kingdra as well.
    Agility is usable, but is very outclassed by Dragon Dance due to the power loss.
    Choice is really helpful, if you were looking for an instant boost.

    Sniper VS Swift Swim
    If you're using it in rain S-S, if not, Sniper. Also, if Kingdra runs Rain Dance for self-support (and not in a rain team), run S-S but forget about Damp Rock and use Life Orb or something like that. DON'T USE DAMP.

    Against Kingdra
    Hahaha. Only dragons hit it supereffectively, and risk fainting from Kingdra's own Dragon power. Scarf Flygon will outfly as long as Kingdra doesn't reach +2, case in which Kingdra outswims even without Speed boosting nature. So, hitting hard and fast with regularly effective attacks, even more so if boosted, are the "safe" route, but you're still risking to faint. If it comes into play, better hit it from the first turn. Priority really hurts Kingdra, too. Empoleon will tank it if it hasn't boosted enough. And remove rain if it is Kingdra's power source to shut it down. And smash it after confusing from Outrage. You need smart play rather than pure power to get rid of Kingdra.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Calm|Mind_ View Post
    Where's the Lucario guy who always posts bad sets and posts them first? Anyway...

    Ability: Sniper
    Item: Leftovers
    Moves: Dive, Toxic, Dragon Pulse, Dragon Dance
    He doesn't seem to be banned, but your attempt to make a set nearly mirrors him, so I wouldn't talk.

    Kingdra's home is definitely the UU tier, where it is one of the best Pokemon available. Its STABs alone are resisted by Empoleon and Ferroseed (lol). The Rain Dance set is arguably the best set, with access to powerful moves such as Hydro Pump, Draco Meteor, and Ice Beam, with the added bonus of outspeeding the entire tier (even with a Modest nature, though Timid should be considered for other Kingdra). Even things like Snorlax are 2HKOed, and stuff like Empoleon can mostly hope to phaze it. However, Kingdra has the ability to use a DD, going with things such as Waterfall and Outrage, and options such as Substitute and ChestoRest. Specs Kingdra is also viable, being a good wallbreaker, which is able to 2HKO Porygon2. For counters, Empoleon can wall its STABs, but mostly will phaze. Toxic Spikes is deadly for Kingdra, which destroy it via 1) Life Orb recoil / 2) Pre-mature Rest. If you aren't facing a Kingdra in rain, the evercommon Scarf Flygon destroys it with Outrage. This is notable as, apart from its mixed offenses, it has great bulk and an amazing typing that is only weak to Dragon (uncommon in the tier bar Flygon), and quadruple resists fire and water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Calm|Mind_ View Post
    Where's the Lucario guy who always posts bad sets and posts them first? Anyway...

    Ability: Sniper
    Item: Leftovers
    Moves: Dive, Toxic, Dragon Pulse, Dragon Dance
    Quote Originally Posted by lucario fan in the potw thread for amoonguss
    Ability: Effect Spore
    Item: Leftovers
    Moves: Spore, Giga Drain, Sludge Bomb, Clear Smog
    these look eerily similar.

    anyway, don't use dragon pulse on a dragon dance kingdra since it doesnt get the boost and is pretty much a useless move. dive is also pretty bad since it wastes a turn to charge and, while you are invincible for a turn, it gives you opponent a warning so they'll know exactly what to switch into you, like ferrothorn and stuff. use outrage and waterfall instead, they are far better. also, toxic seems really out of place since it really doesnt let you beat any of your usual counters or anything like that. you'd be better off using subsitute or chesto berry with rest to help you set up more easily. also, id use swift swim instead since it lets you put a hurt on rain teams since you outspeed pretty much everything that a rain team might use. also, where are you evs and natures, and why dont you have a description of your set? aren't those some of the same things that lucario fan was warned about because not having those made his posts spam?
    it's not that i have bad grammar, it's just that the shift keys on my laptop don't always work, so it's easier to just not capitalize stuff. sorry if that makes my posts hard to read.

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    Item: Eviolite
    Nature: Bold
    Trait: Poison point
    252 Hp / 4 SpD / 252 Def
    ~ Scald
    ~ Toxic
    ~ Substitute / Rest
    ~ Ice beam / Blizzard

    Toxic and Scald is a nice combo option so you can chose if you either face a waller or an sweeper which one to use.
    Substitute is for stalling and protecting it self from predicted switch-in, while rest gains immidiate recovery but the sleep status can cause trouble, but it's Seadra only healing option.
    Ice beam or either blizzard if you prefer power to make this set complete considering coverage.

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    Kingdra@Life Orb
    EVS: 252 SpA; 252 Spd; 4 Atk
    Nature: Naive
    Trait: Swift Swim
    - Hydro Pump
    - Draco Meteor
    - Outrage
    - Rain Dance

    This Kingdra set is used in OU, while if equipped with a Choice Specs, it is viable in Ubers, with Dragon Pulse > Rain Dance. Outrage is just a move in there to smack Special Walls a bit harder, namely Latias and Blissey. Rain Dance is to transform the dragon into one hell of a sweeper, giving it a massive speed boost and a huge buff to Hydro Pump.
    Credit to Astral Shadow!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Contrail View Post
    Oh the irony
    Sweet, delicious irony!

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    Kingdra is easily one of my favorite pokemon... I use it in UU to great effect!! Being one of the rare dragons of UU, opponents always find a tough time around this guy. Unless a lucky crit, and the rarity of dragon type moves, kindgra is not going away any time soon.

    Kingdra's stats are underwhelming at first look. They are overall well rounded with 95 in attacking and defending stats, 75 in HP and 85 in speed. But there's a trick in this stat spread. It allows kingdra to be unpredictable and very hard to play around. With a very good movepool to boot, kingdra's diversity is boosted to high levels. You might think that 85 speed in not that great until you realise it has swift swim as an ability. Excellent rain sweeper in both attacking sides, this pokemon is not a welcome sight in competitive play because it mostly means trouble to the opponent.

    While kingdra can play the role of a choice banded rain sweeper, choice spec'ed rain sweeper, mixed rain sweeper with life orb or leftovers... My favorite set is the dragon dance set.

    Kingdra@Chesto berry
    Ability: Swift swim
    Evs: 252 speed/ 252 ATT/ 4 HP
    Nature: +ATT / - Sp ATT or +Speed/ - Sp ATT
    Moveset:
    -Dragon dance
    -Outrage
    -Waterfall
    -Rest
    Really an amazing set that works most of the time. Switch into something that can't harm you and start to boost with dragon dance. Your opponent will try to burn you or toxic you or just attack you... Laugh at his weak attempts and when you get enough boosts, rest the damage off, eat you chesto berry, wake up the same turn and start the ravaging. Few things can effectively stop you after two or three dragon dances. If rain is in play, this set is much better but even without rain it works wonderfully.
    Note: Kingdra's special movepool is better but this physical set is very hard to stop!!

    Btw... In a complete unrelated note, I think that lucario fan's new name is Calm/mind... Just saying... Equally bad sets and was the only one to ask about it although Calm/mind never posted a set before in this forum... Weird!
    Last edited by Rayofquazar; 20th July 2013 at 6:07 PM.

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