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I don't like the shiny pokemon that are given out. It makes me angry in way, because I've spent lots of time looking for them. It took me like a month to get Shiny Dialga via soft resetting. Besides, aren't shiny pokemon supposed to be rare? The events sort of ruin the purpose of them...
This seems to be part of the don't fix what isn't broken thing I keep talking about.I never said anything along those lines. What I used was an imaginary task to make a point about there being certain tasks GF can create that players can complete to unlock pokemon. It doesn't have to be some crazy battle streak, it doesn't have to be particularly hard, it doesn't even have to involve battling at all. It was just an idea I made of the top of my head to make a point. Be my guest to put forward your own suggestions (Not involving events). Also if you did use my example of a task, it still would be more available than simply not putting it in the game at all. Also people who did struggle to earn it in my example could still get it from an event.
Why does this matter at all?Well capturing a pokemon by battling it is always going to be harder than simply downloading a level 100 version of it for free. And I don't know many advantages of forcing players to wait to get given these items instead of allowing players to unlock them in game.
Really, it's your request that is unreasonable as I've already explained.Of course. Expecting GF to carry on making events for a game x years old would be irrational (I think I did mention this "they are obviously not doing doing anything to help you get it in the Gen 3 games "). However a way to get through this undeniable issue would be to simply make all pokemon available within the cartridge itself so we won't have to rely on support many years later. And I've never really said it was a big deal, it's just something I dislike because it is annoying for no good reason. And simply telling fans to quit something they have always loved, still love and will love for many years to come is quite an unreasonable request. It's a really poor marketing strategy.
Your value that you personally see in your Shiny Dialga is the exact same regardless of whatever else happens.because I've spent lots of time looking for them. It took me like a month to get Shiny Dialga via soft resetting
No.Besides, aren't shiny pokemon supposed to be rare?
I paid $70 for my version of Pokémon LeafGreen, that was fine, I had no beef with that, but I did find it strange how those people in the US paid $35 (that's a whole other can of worms, and not my focus) and also get access to new content in the form of new "levels" and other characters that I wasn't able to get.
If the events are 'designed to be accessed by certain people' then they're flat out weird straight off the bat, and I don't agree that that is what they were designed for. I can see their intention, celebrate fans coming to their whatever it is they give these things out at, and that would be fine if it was like Shiny Charizard that knows Hydro Pump or whatever, but content shouldn't be cut from the game and handed out piece-meal. It's like if they released Mario Kart for the Wii, but it didn't have Rainbow Road, you'd have to go to Mario Kart-a-thon to get it put into your game, and you go online, anybody else who unfortunately couldn't get the track can spectate your race on it, but not use it. That's just weird.
Meanwhile they could put up "Deoxys Mansion" or what have you on the eShop, $5 a pop or free, and anybody can go get that content. If you don't have the download, that's fine, you can go online and battle people who have Deoxys, but you cannot get it yourself. This is similar to what they're doing with the Wi-Fi events now, but with those it's extremely lackluster, but serves the same purpose as those real world events, just a ton more inclusive.
This turned out more of a rant than I would have liked but I'm sure you get my point more now.
I just don't like how some players are excluded on getting some cool stuff.
I missed so many events, until I recently discovered that my DSi could use our Wi-Fi router.
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i wish instead of events the pokemon where given out in game as rewards... for example up until black and white 2 you got practically sod all for completing the monumental challenge that is completing the national/regional dex. Why not instead when you complete the national dex you get special rare pokemon like deoxys or oaks letter to go capture shaymin etc etc etc. It seems unfair that those who don't have wi fi can't get pokemon such as deoxys etc or those who can't travel to japan/america (who seem to get a heck load more events than the uk) or even travel to special gamestop/GAME stores that are participating in event give aways. Or perhaps you have defeat a exceptionally strong trainer like red for example and once you defeat him he gives you a rare pokemon he captured as a reward.
the problem i personally have is too use my ds on the internet i must change some settings around (on the router i can't remember for sure but i think it's something to do with the DS can only use the router if it's security setting is on WEP 2 or something which FYI is weak security), these settings are not compatible with my laptop/computer so there for when i want to go on the internet to battle etc on my ds other family members can't use the computer so i usually can't go online with the ds.Originally Posted by gogglewoodledee
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But I really see don't any genuine benefits at all to keeping out content that should be in the game. I have explained flaws (such as long term consequences and not every can access events), but I don't understand how the benefits weigh out these flaws. They could easily put a long and difficult task to make catching these pokemon special. Then players would at least have the choice to either work at it, or wait for an event.
Don't get me wrong, I think events are a good idea, but they don't need to make pokemon event exclusive to make them worthwhile. They can give out shinies, exclusives moves, abilities and pokemon with high stats. Making all pokemon available in game hurts nobody. Players who like events can do it there way, people who like catching their pokemon can do it theirs.
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The only problem I have with events: they're kinda boring.
I mean, it's nice to get a present every once in a while, all wrapped up and delivered right to your game. I won't complain about getting a lvl 100 Arceus for free. But sometimes I wish the events would add a little bit of plot to the game. Obviously, this would only be applicable to the event legendaries within the game itself, not so much with the random events we sometimes get to promote a movie/anime/occurrence. But if events gave you a little bit of plot, showed how the pokemon fit into the mythos of the region, I think that'd be really cool.
If it isn't clear, what I mean is instead of getting say, Oak's Letter in Gen IV and going to that rock near the Pokemon League where it would open the path to the area that held Shaymin, there would be a little more legwork involved. So you'd get an item, it would unlock a certain sequence of events, and from there you would have to battle certain trainers and navigate through a cave or something, maybe fight a few team grunts. Basically, a more expanded version of what one had to do to get victini at the lighthouse. Instead of just being gifted an event, why not have a bit more gameplay to go with it?
It is "broken" in as much that it disappoints some people, but being unable to obtain a specific Pokemon on your cart doesn't prevent anyone from playing a game and enjoying it. Considering that each Pokemon game contains hundreds of Pokemon that can be obtained within the game itself, it is highly unlikely that someone won't be able to find a handful of Pokemon to use to enjoy the game. And those that need specific Pokemon can take measures to get those.But making pokemon event exclusive IS a broken system. It has undeniable flaws which can really easily be solved by simply in putting pokemon in the game, which should have been there in the first place. I'm not even sure how that answered my origninal point concerning that GF can create any task they choose to make the pokemon obtainable.
They already do this, to an extent, within the game, such as the extrenespeed Dratini in HGSS and that special shiny you get in BW2. But saying "event Pokemon should just become obtainable Pokemon in the game, except really hard" is like saying starter Pokemon should be able to be found in the wild. It defeats the purpose and the perception of rarity that most event exclusive Pokemon have. It basically makes them no longer event Pokemon. So while that's a nice suggestion, it doesn't really fit into the mold of event exclusive Pokemon...which, as I've pointed out before, have been around since Gen I.I don't know how to answer this question since you've asked it in a weird way, but I'll have a go anyway. You seemed to suggest how being given a pokemon is harder than manually catching the pokemon, so I corrected you. I also suggested that a much more sensible way to give key items to players, is to make them unlockable for everyone in game as long as they do the right task, instead of exclusively to certain players who live near a certain gamestop for example. But I probably didn't give the answer you were expecting because I'm not too sure what you were asking. :P
"long term consequences" being that yes, video game companies often don't do support for decade old games. To expect Game Freak to be any different than the dozens of other game developers is absurd.But I really see don't any genuine benefits at all to keeping out content that should be in the game. I have explained flaws (such as long term consequences and not every can access events),
Are there flaws, in that not everyone can actually go to the events for whatever reason?but I don't understand how the benefits weigh out these flaws.
Is this flaw something that detracts so heavily from the game that prevents enjoyment of the game?
Event Pokemon are nifty bonuses. If you get them, cool. If not, you still have hundreds to choose from.
Can we please go without the off-topic remarks about people looking at threads (what's wrong with that? Forums are meant to have discussion in them, so if someone disagrees with your opinion there's nothing bad about that) or saying '.......lol' in response to a post, and so forth? Thanks.
I don't see them changing it by removing events, because for Game Freak (and Nintendo)'s point of view there's more pros than cons. Yes, it's annoying to miss out on events, but there's the option of trading someone for something you missed via wifi and not having this shiny legendary doesn't detract from the main gameplay either. What events do provide is basically free advertising and promotion of a game. They can encourage someone to get a game sooner rather than later, and each time they do a tie in with a store to send out so-and-so a Pokemon, that means a big flashy sign is going to go up in said store talking about the games the event is for. And that's exactly what it's for.
Plus version exclusives, etc that contribute to a need for trading is merely creating a need for the whole wifi capabilities they have set up to be used for something besides battles, and it has always been a feature of the games since the 1st gen. It's sort of their way to bring people together no matter where ou live (unless you have no internet =p), which is no bad thing if a bit cheesy. =p
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Why can't they do the best of both worlds, and make the events occur at the same time over WiFi too?
They're still going to get people that attend the real life events, because they enjoy the in-person aspect of the event, as well as the chance to battle and trade with others.
Having the event over WiFi would allow people that enjoy the game, but perhaps live too far away from an event location, or perhaps due to being disabled or severe ill-health cannot attend the events in person, to actually get the event pokemon.
And people are still looking for a Victini and Genesect. People are still looking for Red Garados. They will still be looking for Shiny Dialga.
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And you're undertaking that time and effort to find a shiny, you're doing so with the express knowledge that shiny Pokémon are occasionally given out as gifts with no stipulations. No one ever promised you a set rarity for a given shiny or that they wouldn't be available via far easier means on occasion.
Shinies are not gold or diamonds - there is no market for them and there is no set value for them.
IMO all Pokemon should be available for capture regularly in-game.
Moreover, you have to consider the definition of shiny value. Is my Shiny Gyarados still worthless due to the HGSS event despite the fact that it has DW Ability - Moxie? Is the Shiny Entei event worthless despite the fact that it runs a competitively viable nature, has a +2 priority move in ExtremeSpeed?
Point being, you can't easily assign value to a shiny just by virtue of the 1/8192 odds. You have to consider the full picture. (But really, there's nothing valuable about shinies, it's just a colour palette change).
So I guess if there is one shiny Magikarp in existence, it would be very valuable. Nothing special about it other than how it looks. It has no cool moves or ability, it's just the only shiny Magikarp in existence. Heck, it may even have low stats. But because it's shiny and the only kind, everyone wants it!
But now let's say we had a shiny Dragonite that most people have. High stats, good moves, favorable ability and nature. But since it's owned by many, it's worthless.
BWK, you took the words out of my mouth.
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