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    Quote Originally Posted by king_wallace View Post
    Can anyone confirm if you can use Mega Mewtwo/Charizard X/Y in the opposite version, assuming you trade the appropriate mega stone over? News sources seem to indicate you can, but what Serebii has listed seems to contradict that.
    The exclusivity is only in obtaining them initially. If somebody is inclined to trade their -niteX to you on Y, you can then mega-evolve the pokemon.

    I don't see why Mega-evos wouldn't count. They are their own pokemon, just not available when outside of battle. From what I can see of the Anime, they'll be as real as anything else in the lore of the games/show.

    Just because they aren't normally seen during the gameplay doesn't make them lesser pokemon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G4Pokefan View Post
    Finally! Haven't seen the new Pokemon yet but damn 69? Seriously?! I was hoping that the Mega Evos wouldn't count, because they are temporary but guess I was wrong. Not even 100? Wow bit disappointed.
    Quality over quantity. We got some decent ones this time around.

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    For 200 BP, I really hope that Ability Capsule isn't a one-time use item.
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    I hope you can buy more than on Charizardnite Y. I am willing to trade one over to anyone who has X for a Charizardnite X spare. I really want to have both stones to evolve because IM planning to have two Charizards, one special based and one physical based, to have both mega charizards


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    Quote Originally Posted by Munchy View Post
    Try and find someone random to trade with, for example from these forums! Trading used to be a pain for me too, because I hardly knew anyone to trade with, but with todays technology and being able to trade worldwide, it's just so much easier. I would be happy to help you with it if you want to (and whenever it's possible to trade).
    Cool cheers, this will be the first Pokemon game I can actually play online! Cannot wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix6000 View Post
    For 200 BP, I really hope that Ability Capsule isn't a one-time use item.
    I would imagine its a hold item. Therefore it won't be as powerful a tool as it limits you to not being able to benefit from another held items. Plus it could throw in some cool strategies, Switchrooing it with others.
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    I would love to see Chesnaught stats

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheyenne Thunderstorm View Post
    I would love to see Chesnaught stats
    Roughly 90/100/120/80/70/70

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valoo. View Post
    Roughly 90/100/120/80/70/70
    If this how it is then I picking a Relaxed Chespin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valoo. View Post
    Roughly 90/100/120/80/70/70
    He's not that good Imo,i'm going with Greninja cause he's just the collest out of them all
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    Quote Originally Posted by Last Entei View Post
    He's not that good Imo,i'm going with Greninja cause he's just the collest out of them all
    I don't care if he strong or not. I going get him because I like him. Then I trying make him the best Chesnaught out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G4Pokefan View Post
    Finally! Haven't seen the new Pokemon yet but damn 69? Seriously?! I was hoping that the Mega Evos wouldn't count, because they are temporary but guess I was wrong. Not even 100? Wow bit disappointed.
    Well, consider a few points:

    1. Making fewer Pokémon means that they can put even more effort and detail into the ones that are being made. Just look at all of the new, fleshed-out gimmicks that we've gotten with these new Pokémon - Furfrou's grooming, Flabébé's flowers, Vivillon's wings, Gourgeist's size, Aegislash's alternating formes, etc. This is where one might say, "quality over quantity."

    2. They have to create and animate individual 3D models and Shiny 3D models for every single Pokémon variant. Not just the 718 Pokémon that we know of, but every form and gender difference as well. And that's without factoring in menu sprites and other such elements. That probably yields a Pokémon count that is well into the 700s, if not the 800s. Cutting back on the number of new Pokémon makes things much more manageable for them.

    3. Gen V introduced more Pokémon than any other generation did, so in a way, it balances out.

    4. The games are loaded with tons of older Pokémon to use, which brings up a point - just exactly how many more Pokémon do we really need? With this generation's type retcons, even the Fairy-type has a reasonably diverse pool of Pokémon to choose from, and that is still nothing compared to the other seventeen types that have now had five-to-six whole generations to grow. And what about stat spreads and movepools? For how long can they continue to stretch the mechanical fabric of the games before things begin to become either redundant or overpowered?

    5. Is having only 69 new Pokémon really as big of an issue as some people are making it out to be? Hypothetically, would you have used each and every new Pokémon that they introduced? It is unlikely. Having 69 new Pokémon cuts down on a lot of "filler." And again, that is without considering the five generations-worth of Pokémon that are still avaiable for use.
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    Wait, Joe just leaked the entire Dex, and lists Bellossom as pure grass. Is that confirmed or just preliminary since he hasn't evolved a Gloom yet for confirmation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by King Shuckle View Post
    Wait, Joe just leaked the entire Dex, and lists Bellossom as pure grass. Is that confirmed or just preliminary since he hasn't evolved a Gloom yet for confirmation?
    It is most likely preliminary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by King Shuckle View Post
    Wait, Joe just leaked the entire Dex, and lists Bellossom as pure grass. Is that confirmed or just preliminary since he hasn't evolved a Gloom yet for confirmation?
    I'd say preliminary. I'm waiting for him to update the Fairy-type page with a full list of retyped Pokémon.
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    Weather abilities have been nerfed. Charizard Y is worthless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endolise View Post
    Well, consider a few points:

    1. Making fewer Pokémon means that they can put even more effort and detail into the ones that are being made. Just look at all of the new, fleshed-out gimmicks that we've gotten with these new Pokémon - Furfrou's grooming, Flabébé's flowers, Vivillon's wings, Gourgeist's size, Aegislash's alternating formes, etc. This is where one might say, "quality over quantity."

    2. They have to create and animate individual 3D models and Shiny 3D models for every single Pokémon variant. Not just the 718 Pokémon that we know of, but every form and gender difference as well. And that's without factoring in menu sprites and other such elements. That probably yields a Pokémon count that is well into the 700s, if not the 800s. Cutting back on the number of new Pokémon makes things much more manageable for them.

    3. Gen V introduced more Pokémon than any other generation did, so in a way, it balances out.

    4. The games are loaded with tons of older Pokémon to use, which brings up a point - just exactly how many more Pokémon do we really need? With this generation's type retcons, even the Fairy-type has a reasonably diverse pool of Pokémon to choose from, and that is still nothing compared to the other seventeen types that have now had five-to-six whole generations to grow. And what about stat spreads and movepools? For how long can they continue to stretch the mechanical fabric of the games before things begin to become either redundant or overpowered?

    5. Is having only 69 new Pokémon really as big of an issue as some people are making it out to be? Hypothetically, would you have used each and every new Pokémon that they introduced? It is unlikely. Having 69 new Pokémon cuts down on a lot of "filler." And again, that is without considering the five generations-worth of Pokémon that are still avaiable for use.
    I believe they didn't make so many this time around. Because, they have to make every Pokemon in a 3d model. So they might just said this " Since this our first game in a 3d on a handheld system. Lets just make a few pokemon this time around and work really hard with the 3d models.

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    Hopefully we'll see more Pokemon with Pokemon Z, "IF" they decide to expand the Dex.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemon_Pledge View Post
    Weather abilities have been nerfed. Charizard Y is worthless.
    Thank god!Cuz they were getting out of hand.Tough,they're still better than Rain Dance or Sunny Day because you don't waste a turn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nacreous View Post
    Thank god!Cuz they were getting out of hand.Tough,they're still better than Rain Dance or Sunny Day because you don't waste a turn.
    True, Also ti might be a way to balance it with other pokemon

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    I hope they also downplay Stealth Rock a little bit.The 50% damage is waaay too much.And it's a very discriminatory move.I mean,some pokemon that already struggle on the defensive side,are ****ed up by this one little move.It's not fair.If they keep Stealth Rock like this,then they should make a move that does damage to Steel and Ground types too cuz those seem like they're priviledged.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkKami View Post
    Hopefully we'll see more Pokemon with Pokemon Z, "IF" they decide to expand the Dex.
    I really don't think they going add more Pokemon to Gen 6 "if they remake the game". THey might make more pokemon in Gen 7 come out. Gen 6 might just going be the lowest new Pokemon gen.

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    It would be great if Serebii checked out who the Multi Battle partners are this time around. Maybe the 4 rivals battle with you this time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverSaint View Post
    It would be great if Serebii checked out who the Multi Battle partners are this time around. Maybe the 4 rivals battle with you this time.
    That would be cool XD

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    While I'm rather disappointed by having only 69 new pokemon, most of them seem decent! While I would have loved to see more evolutions to some of the pokemon (Carbink, Dedenne) Most of these guys are based on fairly original ideas. While I was most looking forward to Fennekin's final evolution, Delphox is probably the greatest disappointment to me, I still say Kudos to Nintendo. I just thought we would be getting 2 Eeveelutions. Ah well.
    Poison/Dragon and Grass/Ghost types make up for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkKami View Post
    Hopefully we'll see more Pokemon with Pokemon Z, "IF" they decide to expand the Dex.
    I don't see why they need to. They already gave an in-game reason as to why there are so few native Kalos pokemon so they really can't do it without some retconning. Not that third versions are unfamiliar with retconning.
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