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    Leaf Storm doesn't work well on Venusaur's primarily defensive sets, and Sludge is soundly outclassed by Sludge Bomb.

    http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads...c-0-3.3497041/

    Put Synthesis and Giga Drain on it. HP Fire IVs are nice as well.

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    Ok two questions for follow up:

    Tms can be passed down, does it have to be a specific parent to pass down it?

    Does what egg move is usefull on a poke have to deal with their stats?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverCharizard View Post
    Ok two questions for follow up:

    Tms can be passed down, does it have to be a specific parent to pass down it?

    Does what egg move is usefull on a poke have to deal with their stats?
    In Gen VI, TMs are no longer passed down as Egg Moves unless the Pokemon can learn it via level-up. For example, Archen cannot inherit Roost (TM19), but Fletchling can because Archen doesn't learn Roost via level-up but Fletchling does. However, this doesn't really matter because you can just teach the Pokemon the TM after it hatches. The parent that has it doesn't matter; offspring can learn it from the male or the female.

    I'm not quite sure exactly what you're asking in your second question (I did read your past conversation leading up to this). But I think what you're trying to get at is this:

    You choose Egg Moves for a Pokemon based on how they fit into your team. For your Bulbasaur, it's a Special Attacker. Therefore, you want Special Egg Moves, not Physical ones. On top of that, you obviously want your Pokemon to have the strongest moves possible. So Sludge has a base damage of 65, while Sludge Bomb has a base damage of 90. It's almost 30% more powerful than Sludge. Both also have a 30% chance of poison. Therefore, you want Sludge Bomb over Sludge. You also don't want more than one move of each type on your Pokemon (unless they do different things, like one induces a status and the other does damage. So it's okay to put Thunder Wave and Thunderbolt on the same Pokemon). You also choose moves based on how the Pokemon fits into your team and what your team does. So competitively, if you're using a Rain team, you would choose Thunder over Thunderbolt because Thunder has 100% accuracy in Rain and is more powerful. On a non-rain team, most people choose Thunderbolt because it has 100% accuracy even though it's weaker. Thunder only has 70% accuracy, which is terrible.

    I hope that helped out a little bit.

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    How does Return work competitively? Does it treat you as if the pokemon is at full happiness or does it actually go off the in-game value?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonair7 View Post
    How does Return work competitively? Does it treat you as if the pokemon is at full happiness or does it actually go off the in-game value?
    Battles done on the cartridge always the actual friendship stat.

    Simulators typically set the stat automatically to 255.

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    Hey guys. So what do you think of this Sceptile that I've breed and trained?

    Sceptile @ White Herb
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    EVs: 4 HP/ 252 Sp.Atk/ 252 Speed
    Ivs: 31/x/31/31/31/31
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightshade Aran View Post
    Few questions~

    2) To attain 'Grand Duke' in the Battle Chateau, it says I have to defeat all the trainers. Is this retroactive? or I have to defeat them all again upon reaching Duke?
    yes you have to defeat all trainers but only the major ones will count ( defeat all gym leaders and elite four this is what I done to reach that rank though it took me days since i had a hard time letting wulfric appear)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shego View Post
    Hey guys. So what do you think of this Sceptile that I've breed and trained?

    Sceptile @ White Herb
    Nature: Timid
    Ability: Unburden
    EVs: 4 HP/ 252 Sp.Atk/ 252 Speed
    Ivs: 31/x/31/31/31/31
    -Leaf Storm
    -Energy Ball
    -Focus Blast
    -Hidden Power (Dark)

    If I done anything wrong, let me know.
    Not bad, but still a bit iffy due to the heavy reliance on focus blast to kill off steels. Also, a modest nature would probably be way better as after one leaf storm you're already outpacing most of the unboosted metagame making a power boost much more welcome. Something like this is what I'm suggesting:

    Sceptile @ White Herb (Unburden)
    Modest, 252SpAtk/252Speed/4SpDef
    -Leaf Storm
    -Energy Ball
    -Hidden Power (Fire)
    -Dragon Pulse

    Less super effective coverage, but overall more reliability/less reliance on shaky accuracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mye View Post
    Not bad, but still a bit iffy due to the heavy reliance on focus blast to kill off steels. Also, a modest nature would probably be way better as after one leaf storm you're already outpacing most of the unboosted metagame making a power boost much more welcome. Something like this is what I'm suggesting:

    Sceptile @ White Herb (Unburden)
    Modest, 252SpAtk/252Speed/4SpDef
    -Leaf Storm
    -Energy Ball
    -Hidden Power (Fire)
    -Dragon Pulse

    Less super effective coverage, but overall more reliability/less reliance on shaky accuracy.
    I see. I wanted it to learn HP(Fire) but, when the pokemon with 5 IVs is born, then the HP that it have is the Dark-type. According to the Egg Group of Sceptile, it can't learn the move "Dragon Pulse" but it can learn "Dragonbreath". Source: Serebii. How to get the HP in Fire-type? According to some other players including Cloneblazer12, Timid is the best nature for an Unburden Sceptile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shego View Post
    Hey guys. So what do you think of this Sceptile that I've breed and trained?

    Sceptile @ White Herb
    Nature: Timid
    Ability: Unburden
    EVs: 4 HP/ 252 Sp.Atk/ 252 Speed
    Ivs: 31/x/31/31/31/31
    -Leaf Storm
    -Energy Ball
    -Focus Blast
    -Hidden Power (Dark)

    If I done anything wrong, let me know.
    Ingame Single Rates, try asking here.
    Competitive Single Rates, try asking here.

    Someone could give you more information on how to improve your set for Sceptile instead of posting here. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shego View Post
    According to the Egg Group of Sceptile, it can't learn the move "Dragon Pulse" but it can learn "Dragonbreath".
    Dragon Pulse is available as a tutor move in BW2, or as a TM move in Gen IV.

    You ought to probably just stick with Focus Blast, though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shego View Post
    How to get the HP in Fire-type? According to some other players including Cloneblazer12, Timid is the best nature for an Unburden Sceptile.
    You need IVs of x/x/x/30/31/30 to get HP Fire.

    Timid is kinda unnecessary with Unburden; Sceptile already outspeeds a lot of Scarfers and such after a boost, and needs the extra power from Modest.

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    Can a male Axew/Fraxure/Haxorus in this gen can breed a female Treecko after it learn "Dragon Pulse"?
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    It can't, since Dragon Pulse isn't an Egg Move for Treecko.

    The only way to get a Treecko with the move would be to Poke Transfer from BW2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shego View Post
    Can a male Axew/Fraxure/Haxorus in this gen can breed a female Treecko after it learn "Dragon Pulse"?
    No, Dragon Pulse is not an egg move for Treecko / Grovyle / Sceptile
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    Quote Originally Posted by Excitable Boy View Post
    You need IVs of x/x/x/30/31/30 to get HP Fire.
    Are you sure this is correct? I have a Timid Latios that's 31/x/31/x/31/x and it's HP Fire. I'm assuming that the Xs are 30s. (i.e., I think its true IV spread is 31/30/31/30/31/30).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Excitable Boy View Post
    You need IVs of x/x/x/30/31/30 to get HP Fire.
    Quote Originally Posted by varanus_komodoensis View Post
    Are you sure this is correct? I have a Timid Latios that's 31/x/31/x/31/x and it's HP Fire. I'm assuming that the Xs are 30s. (i.e., I think its true IV spread is 31/30/31/30/31/30).
    Both are correct. It's just that to get HP Fire, one would first need to focus on getting x/x/x/30/31/30 IVs first.
    31/30/31/30/31/30 is usually the best IV spread for HP Fire overall... and especially back when it had 70 attack power with that spread.
    This generation, with the HP nerf to a flat 60 attack power, it doesn't matter too much as long as the x/x/x/30/31/30 spread is there, if going for Fire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverLanayru View Post
    Both are correct. It's just that to get HP Fire, one would first need to focus on getting x/x/x/30/31/30 IVs first.
    31/30/31/30/31/30 is usually the best IV spread for HP Fire overall... and especially back when it had 70 attack power with that spread.
    This generation, with the HP nerf to a flat 60 attack power, it doesn't matter too much as long as the x/x/x/30/31/30 spread is there, if going for Fire.
    Ah, I see now that my Latios also has 30/31/30; my eyes looked at Excitable Boy's post and my own IV spread and saw two different things when they were, in fact, the same.

    But how are the Hidden Power types of of Pokemon with NO flawless IVs calculated? Is it just even/odd number combinations?

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    Quote Originally Posted by varanus_komodoensis View Post
    Ah, I see now that my Latios also has 30/31/30; my eyes looked at Excitable Boy's post and my own IV spread and saw two different things when they were, in fact, the same.

    But how are the Hidden Power types of of Pokemon with NO flawless IVs calculated? Is it just even/odd number combinations?
    I believe it depends on even/odd number combinations for different stats. (And there is also math involved with determining all this.)
    This is the guide I'm often referring back to, whenever I do Hidden Power breeding.
    (However, this one is outdated, due to the fact that Hidden Power is now a flat 60 attack power; but the guide is still fairly useful for everything else. There is a minor typo regarding 'add 8 if Speed is off', which is basically 'add 8 if the Speed IV is odd')
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    Thanks for the answer

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    I have a question

    So last night I was trading with one of my friends on the pss.
    I offered my shiny ivysaur and he offered a shiny event cranidos.

    I wanted it, so we both pushed trade.

    But then it cancels it and says "there is a pokemon that cannot be left from the trainers party" or something like that.

    It was in box 7 also.
    Why does it say that?
    I left this site.
    They gave me an infraction for "cheat codes, discussion".
    I wasnt even talking about cheat codes or anything.
    Its outrageous.
    All I put was that I saw a passerby with hacked shiny legendaries.
    How silly and immature is this site.
    Lmfao.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinypanda View Post
    I have a question

    So last night I was trading with one of my friends on the pss.
    I offered my shiny ivysaur and he offered a shiny event cranidos.

    I wanted it, so we both pushed trade.

    But then it cancels it and says "there is a pokemon that cannot be left from the trainers party" or something like that.

    It was in box 7 also.
    Why does it say that?
    The problem might be on your friend's side.

    Probably the Cranidos is the only Pokemon he/she has that knows a certain HM move?

    Also, this still needs confirmation, but I don't think the event Cranidos can be shiny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shine View Post
    The problem might be on your friend's side.

    Probably the Cranidos is the only Pokemon he/she has that knows a certain HM move?

    Also, this still needs confirmation, but I don't think the event Cranidos can be shiny.
    Well it was shiny u_u
    And the guy had almost all his boxes filled with pokemon.
    And we traded other shinies too, some with hm moves.
    I left this site.
    They gave me an infraction for "cheat codes, discussion".
    I wasnt even talking about cheat codes or anything.
    Its outrageous.
    All I put was that I saw a passerby with hacked shiny legendaries.
    How silly and immature is this site.
    Lmfao.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverLanayru View Post
    I believe it depends on even/odd number combinations for different stats. (And there is also math involved with determining all this.)
    This is the guide I'm often referring back to, whenever I do Hidden Power breeding.
    (However, this one is outdated, due to the fact that Hidden Power is now a flat 60 attack power; but the guide is still fairly useful for everything else. There is a minor typo regarding 'add 8 if Speed is off', which is basically 'add 8 if the Speed IV is odd')
    Thank you! And thanks for explaining the typo!

    Quote Originally Posted by Shinypanda View Post
    Well it was shiny u_u
    And the guy had almost all his boxes filled with pokemon.
    And we traded other shinies too, some with hm moves.
    I'm 99% sure that the event Cranidos cannot be shiny. I would thoroughly hack-check everything that person gave to you.

    Also, you can trade Pokemon with HM moves, but you can't trade them if they're in your party. That's why he couldn't trade with you, but it's for the best anyway because Cranidos was probably hacked.

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    Natures can be passed down from parent to off spring by one of the parents holding a ever stone, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverCharizard View Post
    Natures can be passed down from parent to off spring by one of the parents holding a ever stone, right?
    Si, the parent who has the nature you want needing to hold the stone though.
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