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    Quote Originally Posted by confuser987 View Post
    I love this set I created for Greninja.

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    Greninja is actually a usable toxic stall w/ flinch hax.
    You're better off just using Togekiss for that. TWave+Air Slash with Serene Grace easily outdoes whatever Flinch hax set Greninja can run. Greninja is much better as a special sweeper than a Flinch Haxer because so many other pokemon can fulfill the role but Greninja is really one of a kind with Protean and such a wide variety of moves to help him.




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    Quote Originally Posted by MedievalMovies View Post
    You're better off just using Togekiss for that. TWave+Air Slash with Serene Grace easily outdoes whatever Flinch hax set Greninja can run. Greninja is much better as a special sweeper than a Flinch Haxer because so many other pokemon can fulfill the role but Greninja is really one of a kind with Protean and such a wide variety of moves to help him.
    I'm so glad that Greninja is the more versatile starter this Gen, Water has needed this for a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MedievalMovies View Post
    You're better off just using Togekiss for that. TWave+Air Slash with Serene Grace easily outdoes whatever Flinch hax set Greninja can run. Greninja is much better as a special sweeper than a Flinch Haxer because so many other pokemon can fulfill the role but Greninja is really one of a kind with Protean and such a wide variety of moves to help him.
    Considering Gredninja is pretty squishy,you might wanna try Ferrothorn for good def and tanking purpose with toxic

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    I'm loving Delphox. Its high special attack, speed, and great typing make it a great special sweeper. It has helped me so much, especially against steel types.
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    I'm having such a hard time with Starters in this Generation. I hate Chespin's Line, well not hate, but not my favorite. I'm torn between Delphox and Greninja though. They're both so cool. I'm leaning towards Delphox, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrusherTheFeraligatr View Post
    Same here, buddy. The fan art looks great! Seen super tuler's yet?
    Not sure, but I probably have, I browsed through a lot of 'em :P




    I finally managed to put my finger on what exactly went horribly wrong when they made the game-model:

    1. The eyes look wayyy too cartoonish. From both the official and the fanmade arts I see it was supposed to have a mature-looking face, but the game model completely failed at delivering it. I remember the first time I saw it it reminded me of an earless Bugs Bunny

    2. The pose. I know it's supposed to look a little bit curved because of the shell on its back, but at least the face should've stayed straight. Instead, it kinda points downwards, which only worsens the problem n° 1.



    All in all, a great looking pokemon with a bad model. I think I would've loved it from the start if in-game it looked more like this     Spoiler:- big image:
    , or if at least I'd seen Sugimori's art before the evolution screenshot that was leaked a week or two before october's corocoro came out.



    So it looks like this gen is going to be the usual for me after all. I love the fire one to pieces, like a lot the grass one, and the water one leaves me completely indifferent.


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    So how do you breed a Chesnaught with spikes? Outside of Smergle who else in the Field egg group learns the attack?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MechaBulba View Post
    So how do you breed a Chesnaught with spikes? Outside of Smergle who else in the Field egg group learns the attack?
    No one does. YOu can only get it from Smeargle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuhFugginMoose View Post
    No one does. YOu can only get it from Smeargle.
    Cheers, but what a strange way of breeding a move across. You'd have thought it would have learnt it outright anyways? Or atleast had Sandslash finally learn the move and breed it that way.
    Oh well. happy it gains the move as its finally provided my Chesnaught with a good movepool. Now what attacking move Hammer Arm or Wood Hammer? Wood H is not blocked by Ghosts and hits neutral to Fairy so think I'll go with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MechaBulba View Post
    Cheers, but what a strange way of breeding a move across. You'd have thought it would have learnt it outright anyways? Or atleast had Sandslash finally learn the move and breed it that way.
    Oh well. happy it gains the move as its finally provided my Chesnaught with a good movepool. Now what attacking move Hammer Arm or Wood Hammer? Wood H is not blocked by Ghosts and hits neutral to Fairy so think I'll go with that.
    If you're going for the support set, I'd go with something that doesn't take away from its tanking abilities. Since wood hammer has that disgusting recoil, I'd refrain from using that.
    Granted, I don't like the supporter set, I prefer assault vest. . .
    So, it's really what you prefer, do you want to hit ghosts with the recoil? Or would you rather keep the HP and have to switch on ghosts?

    What a conundrum. . .
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    My planned competetive Greninja set-

    Greninja @Life Orb/Expert Belt
    Timid- 252 SpAtk/Spd; 4 Atk
    Ability: Protean
    ~Surf
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    ~Dark Pulse
    ~U-Turn

    I chose Dark Pulse over Grass Knot because of Aegislash and Mega Gengar. Also, Surf over Hydro Pp due to more reliability in close situations. Running a Timid nature rather than Hasty because I'm not going to use U-Turn as an attacking move, but as a switching attack that does damage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuhFugginMoose View Post
    If you're going for the support set, I'd go with something that doesn't take away from its tanking abilities. Since wood hammer has that disgusting recoil, I'd refrain from using that.
    Granted, I don't like the supporter set, I prefer assault vest. . .
    So, it's really what you prefer, do you want to hit ghosts with the recoil? Or would you rather keep the HP and have to switch on ghosts?

    What a conundrum. . .
    They are very good points, also Hammer Arm's animation is terrible. Might actually go for a weaker Seed Bomb instead, with Spikes and Leech Speed making up the rest of the damage. I really like Chesnaught however it is one of them Pokemon that suffers from the 4 move curse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shraeder View Post
    My planned competetive Greninja set-

    Greninja @Life Orb/Expert Belt
    Timid- 252 SpAtk/Spd; 4 Atk
    Ability: Protean
    ~Surf
    ~Ice Beam
    ~Dark Pulse
    ~U-Turn

    I chose Dark Pulse over Grass Knot because of Aegislash and Mega Gengar. Also, Surf over Hydro Pp due to more reliability in close situations. Running a Timid nature rather than Hasty because I'm not going to use U-Turn as an attacking move, but as a switching attack that does damage.
    I'd still go Hasty. He won't be taking many hits anyways, and you may as well deal more damage with U-turn. Those HPs may end up mattering.

    Quote Originally Posted by MechaBulba View Post
    They are very good points, also Hammer Arm's animation is terrible. Might actually go for a weaker Seed Bomb instead, with Spikes and Leech Speed making up the rest of the damage. I really like Chesnaught however it is one of them Pokemon that suffers from the 4 move curse.
    Haha, good ol' 4MSS. . .
    One added bonus to my Assault vest set is, it gets perfect neutral coverage.
    Yea, he really does, and it sucks, but he does pretty well with whatever he is given. He's a monster. :3
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    I adored my Fennekin. So cute and fluffy. Now it's a badass Delphox > I must admite, I had some trouble choosing between Fennekin and Froakie (based on what you get given after you beat the E4), but that was before I realised how easy it actually was to come by all of the starters through Wonder Trade :|
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shraeder View Post
    My planned competetive Greninja set-

    Greninja @Life Orb/Expert Belt
    Timid- 252 SpAtk/Spd; 4 Atk
    Ability: Protean
    ~Surf
    ~Ice Beam
    ~Dark Pulse
    ~U-Turn

    I chose Dark Pulse over Grass Knot because of Aegislash and Mega Gengar. Also, Surf over Hydro Pp due to more reliability in close situations. Running a Timid nature rather than Hasty because I'm not going to use U-Turn as an attacking move, but as a switching attack that does damage.
    If your concern is Mega Gengar then you're better off with Hasty and Shadow Sneak. Mega Gengar is weak enough to be taken down by one with proper investments. You could move some of the speed EVs to just enough that you can outrun enemies you can't hit properly with Shadow Sneak and move those to attack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emperor Empoleon View Post
    I didn't pick him, but Froakie is a pure blessing. it answers all of my problems with Water starters of the past. Not that I disliked any of them. I actually like them all quite well, it's just that they were all pretty tank-like. Sluggish but strong. I was just waiting for a change of pace.

    And Greninja delivered @_____@

    Phenomenal speed stat, a wide and stylish movepool befitting a ninja, great offensive stats in tandem, and PROTEAN. Great stuff. The only problem is that tongue scarf, but I can look past it xD

    Delphox is very much to my liking as well for that matter. My favorite in fact. Very beautiful and sage-like, right down to the name. It really feels like a fully realized and grown up version of what Braixen was meant to be in it's design (A Mage). And another nice change of pace, being Fire/Psychic. I was fortunate enough for mine to be Hasty when I picked her too :3

    Chespin's line, I haven't really gotten a chance to know, but I will train with the Chespin that I got from Shauna and give some thoughts down the road.
    I love Delphox too...but I'm just a little bitter that it has no reliable water counter...still don't get why it doesn't learn t-bolt or at least energy ball or focus blast...
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    Quote Originally Posted by XXD17 View Post
    I love Delphox too...but I'm just a little bitter that it has no reliable water counter...still don't get why it doesn't learn t-bolt or at least energy ball or focus blast...
    Well, it gets Grass Knot... but yeah, it's a quite unreliable move.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XXD17 View Post
    I love Delphox too...but I'm just a little bitter that it has no reliable water counter...still don't get why it doesn't learn t-bolt or at least energy ball or focus blast...
    Well, why would it. . ?

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    I'm guessing it doesn't have access to those moves because GameFreak didn't want it to be able to fight Greninja easily (which is understandable).

    That, and it's got STAB Fire alongside STAB Psychic anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuhFugginMoose View Post
    No one does. YOu can only get it from Smeargle.
    Actually, Delibird learns Spikes now.

    Interestingly, it actually got that move back in gen 2, but only as an event move.

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    I feel bad for Chespin. Chasnaught's nowhere NEAR bad. I used him in the Steel elite four for the whole time and he didn't even feint once (I don't know how to put spoiler tags on.)
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    Wow, I am sad at how much hate Chespin and his line is getting :/ I like all starters this gen, except maybe Delphox...Yep that is right Delphox. I just don't like it's Dressy design, they really should have stuck with the Skirt instead of full blown dress. Also the Sleeves on Delphox are just strange...And also how the tail just pops out of the "Dress" So really I just dislike Delphox, I Love Chesnaught and Greninja though
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    Quote Originally Posted by pikachu54549 View Post
    I feel bad for Chespin. Chasnaught's nowhere NEAR bad. I used him in the Steel elite four for the whole time and he didn't even feint once (I don't know how to put spoiler tags on.)
    As it's commonly said, anything works for the story. It's when you start doing the Battle Maison and battling other players that the flaws in Pokemon become apparent.

    I personally think Chesnaught has more potential then Delphox, though, largely since Bulletproof allows it get off unscathed against a number of Pokemon that could be problematic for others. Being immune to Shadow Ball and Sludge Bomb in particular is very useful.
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    Mm. I went to lengths for my perfect Adamant Bulletproof Chespin before the consensus opinion was that Impish was the only way to eke out reliable metagame success from the poor thing.

    Boy, if Chesnaught got Rock Polish, though~

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    Bulletproof Chesnaught is awesome... to bad I learned about Spikes after I bred a good one. Synthesis also makes it pretty great.

    Protean Greninja isn't as broken as everyone here claimed it is... but it's still an amazing ability. It makes up for Greninja's pitiful defenses, but it's still not gonna be taking too many blows. Not to mention Lanturn walls most of the Special sets

    Delphox sucks... both in hidden ability and movepool
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