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  • Water-type, Froakie

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miltank+ Dragonite=evil View Post
    I liked all three, but my vote is with froakie. I thought fenniken was cutest, and then I saw froakie. UGLY! froakie has good typing and an okay movepool.
    When they were releasing the pokemon that were going to be in the game little by little ages ago, I was going to go with Fennekin, I thought it was adorable, even as Braxien, but then the 3rd evolution was revealed aaaaand that changed. I liked the typing for both, Delphox's Ears need a trim (sorry, I know it's part of the design but didn't like the hair kept growing), and then Froakie turned out to be a freaking ninja, furthermore as CRV said, the shiny turned out to be BLACK... (though that was shown much later not as previews, so by then i had picked froakie anyways).

    All 3 are good, but yeah, I think Greninja has gotten quite a biased showcase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CRVEmaster View Post
    Greninja DESERVES favouritism?! Give me a break! This is one reason it annoys me so much, it gets favouritism out of the blue and overshadows Chesnaught and Delphox so much they might as well not exist. I think GF gave it favouritism on purpose (Ninja, Two signature moves, Protean, Black Shiny colour, Smash Bros.). Speaking of Smash Bros, I also personally feel adding Greninja is a huge slap in the face to Chespin and Fennekin fans and gives even more bias to the Froakie line. People are allowed to like it, but geez this favouritism TO ME gives me the impression that Froakie is the only starter this gen that matters.

    I think Chesnaught and Delphox get way too much undeserved hate, especially Delphox. No one gives them a chance because most people are usually too busy worshipping Greninja to even care. It's always "They're so ugly and weird" or "They suck". If only people would appreciate them for what they are instead of needlessly bashing them every five minutes. Competitive battling also isn't the only thing that matters when it comes to Pokémon species. Personally I think the RPG concept is really neat, especially since Pokémon is an RPG series itself.

    *Note: This is not directed at anyone in particular*
    I honestly think you're blowing things out of proportion a little bit because your favorite gets the shaft most of the time. They're plenty of people who like Chesnaught and Delphox; the thing about Greninja though is that it seems to be the most thought out of the three design-wise and the most marketable to the audience. He fits in Smash Bros. perfectly as being a ninja as well as being a rep for the 6th Generation of Pokemon because of his popularity. Plus, think of this way: now you can beat the crap out of Greninja whenever you wish lol. Just like what Pokemon you like and don't let other people's opinions get in your way. Two of my favorite Pokemon are Vanilluxe and Slurpuff and they get trashed talked all of the time, but you know what, oh well.

    And if you want to be honest, Greninja got the shaft when it comes to signature moves despite it getting two. Mat Block is fine in doubles I guess (I don't really play doubles so I wouldn't know), but Water Shuriken is just terrible. The priority on it is nice, but the fact that is physical and has low BP means its pretty much unusable on Greninja. Tbh, Chesnaught got the best sig move with Spiky Shield. A protect that also hurts? That's awesome! Delphox's Mystic Fire is okay, but nothing really special. It doesn't have the typing to abuse the Sp. Attack drop to be a Special Wall. But I can honestly say Greninja wouldn't be so special if it didn't hit the jackpot with Protean. But Bulletproof is an amazing ability as well. Magician just... isn't. Also about the shiny colors; Delphox has a pretty rad shiny pallet. Purple, red and silver all look great together. Chesnaught is the only one who I think get shafted with its shiny colors.

    To me, Delphox seems to be this kind of weird mold breaker to the tradition to "the Fire starters are the coolest." Fennekin and especially Braixen have these cute and interesting designs and then the ball gets dropped on Delphox. It's design just looks rushed. It's head is so small and its ugly-*** ear hair looks so dumb. So much more could have been done about the robes, and also, where is it's staff and or wand? I know it has a wand hidden in its sleeve, but that's just lame. It could have used a hat or a cowl, it could have used better designed robes, patterns maybe, a bigger head, anything really. The design is just blase and uninspired. It just looks bad in my opinion. The magical girl / witch motif that Braixen carries was totally shattered with the half-hearted mage aesthetic that Delphox has. Most people like Braixen over Delphox anyways cause of its better design.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miltank+ Dragonite=evil View Post
    I liked all three, but my vote is with froakie. I thought fenniken was cutest, and then I saw froakie. UGLY! froakie has good typing and an okay movepool.
    Hey, Froakie isn't ugly he's my favorite starter of all time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder09 View Post
    Hey, Froakie isn't ugly he's my favorite starter of all time.
    And that's why different people have different tastes lol, could be your favorite starter of all time but could be someone else's most ugly pokemon created as of date. =P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightshade Aran View Post
    And that's why different people have different tastes lol, could be your favorite starter of all time but could be someone else's most ugly pokemon created as of date. =P
    Well Shiny Greninja is one of the best shines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder09 View Post
    Well Shiny Greninja is one of the best shines.
    As someone who's favorite color is black, I will give you that. But like with everything else, it's a matter of personal preference. Shiny Charizard, Shiny Rayquaza, Shiny Greninja, Shiny Umbreon (though admittedly it's black to begin with, but Blue > Yellow rings.) are all on my favorite list of shiny pokemon (Which is why I went and got them first when going after shinies)

    I really wish the design for Delphox had been different, I WANT to like it, but those hairy ears... =( As for Chesnaught, I've only picked the grass pokemon in one generation, Snivy, I just disliked Tepigs evolution chain...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightshade Aran View Post
    As someone who's favorite color is black, I will give you that. But like with everything else, it's a matter of personal preference. Shiny Charizard, Shiny Rayquaza, Shiny Greninja, Shiny Umbreon (though admittedly it's black to begin with, but Blue > Yellow rings.) are all on my favorite list of shiny pokemon (Which is why I went and got them first when going after shinies)

    I really wish the design for Delphox had been different, I WANT to like it, but those hairy ears... =( As for Chesnaught, I've only picked the grass pokemon in one generation, Snivy, I just disliked Tepigs evolution chain...
    Hmm, well do you like Oshawotts evolution chain?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder09 View Post
    Hmm, well do you like Oshawotts evolution chain?
    Hate it as well, think that unicorn wannabe is stupid and ugly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightshade Aran View Post
    Hate it as well, think that unicorn wannabe is stupid and ugly.
    Ya, now you thinking of My Little Pony :P

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    Yeah, no, Chesnaught and Delphox are getting the shaft. Greninja has more Competitive potential than Chesnaught and Delphox because of his Ability. I am not saying this because I don't like him, I love Greninja, but I love Chesnaught more. It is pretty unfair that they are favoring him more than Chesnaught and Delphox, because in my opinion their designs are well thought out, and they can really hold themselves in Competitive. I mean Chesnaught with Bulletproof? That is like canceling out a Gengar, because he is now immune to Shadow Ball and Sludge Bomb. With his bulkiness and pretty good movepool Chesnaught can deal damage. He has a Signature Ability and move. Delphox is also pretty great to considering that she has Heat Wave, Wish and other great moves and a Alright ability, but she doesn't quite use it well because she does much better with an item like Life Orb. I feel she gets the least love because she has more chance to be a male, has a feminine appearance, and is Bipedal. I mean seriously guys is there nothing Gamefreak can do to please you? They don't make the Fire Starter Fire/Fighting, in fact makes this one completely wall those Pokémon. But yet everyone complains because of Design and Competitiveness. So everyone takes a liking to Greninja, when at first not really anyone liked him when he was first leaked, remember that? Everyone hoped he was fake and now he is like a Pokémon God that everyone worships.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder09 View Post
    Ya, now you thinking of My Little Pony :P
    Honestly Serperior is nice and elegant, even seems a bit haughty. The other two were so ugly that like I said, forced me to go with grass type, a type I don't particularly like in pokemon generally.

    Charmander, Cyndaquil, Torchic, Piplup, Snivy, Froakie. That's how I picked them when their original games were released. So if Delphox design had been better, I'd probably had gone with fire there too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightshade Aran View Post
    Honestly Serperior is nice and elegant, even seems a bit haughty.
    This is why I LOVED the Snivy line, lol.
    Its move-pool was terribly disappointing though; the last Poke I used that was actually grass type was Turtwig. X)
    Outside that, I tend to lean towards water types for the most part.

    I actually like Chestnaught, even more so when his HA ability was revealed since it actually helps out with at least some of the more common moves, especially those that are Special-oriented.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rio! View Post
    This is why I LOVED the Snivy line, lol.
    Its move-pool was terribly disappointing though; the last Poke I used that was actually grass type was Turtwig. X)
    Outside that, I tend to lean towards water types for the most part.

    I actually like Chestnaught, even more so when his HA ability was revealed since it actually helps out with at least some of the more common moves, especially those that are Special-oriented.
    Yeah, Bulletproof is a nice HA. Delphox got screwed in that aspect, with it's abilities being very lackluster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightshade Aran View Post
    Yeah, Bulletproof is a nice HA. Delphox got screwed in that aspect, with it's abilities being very lackluster.
    Oh man, it did. ;_;
    Sure it might manage to snag an item after the first initial hit, but what then? Unless it's Choice Scarf/Specs you're not going to hold onto it for long before getting countered and KO'd.
    Okay GF we get it; Delphox is based off some sort or sorcerer/witch. XD
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    This generation has got pretty even for the final forms of the starter. If I have to choose one then I will go for Keromatsu. Dark types are simply amazing in my opinion because somehow Psychic types are over powered in generation 1 and hence this type is invented. However the lack of special Dark type moves also worries me because the common ones such as Bite/ Crunch/ Thief all make contact so I risk my Pokémon to be paralysed/ poisoned/ burned from that. Fortunately Gekkouga can learn Dark Pulse to overcome this issue.

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    Out of all the basic evolutions I liked Fennekin most but once they are all fully evolved Greninja is my favourite so it's a tough pick
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    When they were first revealed I thought Chespin looked the best. But Greninja is too awesome to ignore. He's my favorite of the three and my second favorite starter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James2344 View Post
    Out of all the basic evolutions I liked Fennekin most but once they are all fully evolved Greninja is my favourite so it's a tough pick
    totally agree. they completely ruined fennekin... It had the chance to be the best starter ever but no... they did it again

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Mustache View Post
    totally agree. they completely ruined fennekin... It had the chance to be the best starter ever but no... they did it again
    Fire types used to be the best starter for more than three generations by popularity. So I think it is time for other types to shine or otherwise it is not fair in my opinion.

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    Wow. Delphox is getting a lot of hate. I personally love fennekin and it's evolutions. I didn't like Chespin first but He's a good wall and he's growing on me. Greninja is cool and strong. I understand why people love him. I love him. I used him on battlespot. But, Personally I don't like to use strong Pokemons that much. Everybody is using Greninja, Talonflame and other powerful mons for a higher chance of winning. I have to admit I love trying weaker pokemons. Got go breed myself a competitive Delphox. ^^
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    As much as I love Greninja, if it has it's hidden abbility it is over powered
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    Chespin never really grew on me, it's got the wrong typing for its job.
    Fennekin was awesome, but never really did too well outside of the ingame.
    Froakie was OK ingame, but awesome competitively.
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    If Chespin had gained a different secondary typing (ideally steel like Ferrothorn, which would still make sense based on its design as Chesnaught) it would probably see much more competitive use as a physical tank and/or defensive Toxic/Leech Seeder. The problem is Breloom beats it in pretty much every way (besides not being as bulky) competitively, with Spore, Mach Punch, Poison Heal, Technician, etc. Bulletproof isn't a very useful ability, and the ability and poor defensive typing cripple Chesnaught competitively. Still better than Magician though. I was fine using Chesnaught in game but outside he's a distant second fiddle to the more agile mushroom.
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    It's funny... I thought Chespin had the most appealing design of the three, but I just knew it was going to look ridiculous when it evolved. Chesnaught isn't too bad aesthetically, considering quilladin.

    I went with fennekin and SR'd for a female (I'd only seen braixen at that point and was playing safe haha), but I honestly think Delphox looks more masculine than feminine. Like a wizard in a cloak, which I'm assuming is what they were going for. Braixen is another story, lol.

    Greninja wins competitively, hands down... I keep tipping my head at magician trying to figure out a useful niche and I honestly can't. Nobody ever uses thief over switcheroo / trick / knock off to begin with. Chesnaught is simply outclassed @ the above, but at least it gets a bit of a niche in spiky shield.

    I did love how each of the final forms had two types that bettered its respective rival ie fire beats grass and psychic beats fighting. It didn't have a huge bearing in-game, I just thought it was cool.
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    I wish that Magician got upgraded into an ability version of both Thief and Knock Off, in a way that if it doesn't have an item it steals the opponent's one, while if it has an item already it will disable the opponent's one. That would make Delphox (and other Magician users) way better than how it is now.

    I still really love the magical fox, though, and hope for more Egg Moves and added TMs (like they did with Klinklank, where they added Wild Charge in B2W2).
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