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    I still think it's entirely possible that it takes place in-between BW and BW2. There's not really any evidence that disproves it, so it could well be either, but both are equally likely if you ask me.
    If it happened in between BW and BW2, I think it would be reasonable to presume N and or Black/White should have appeared, or for Looker to have mentioned one of the two, if not both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayra View Post
    I was truthfully upset and disappointed with how little there is in the gameplay. No contests or battle frontier, it felt really, well, short. I finished mine in 15 hours. My previous record was 32 hours with White 2. There was no side stuff at all. That was really disappointing. In addition, there were only 3 legendary Pokemon. That was EXTREMELY depressing. I will admit, the mega evolution stuff was fun. I just think, that, the major focus was on the character customization. Cause, in my opinion, the plot was WAY too short and shallow. There was no depth at all. I didn't like that. I seriously hope they do MASSIVE upgrades to the third game. But, again, this is just my opinion.

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    I'm with you to some extent, though I don't think the post-game is as lacking as much as people claim it is, merely that it is just very different than in the past. There is a Battle Tower with much more options than previous first game of a generation. Gaining BP is much much easier than ever before. Add to that the fact that you can have a 100 mock battles saved from human players and not just A.I. gives you much more diverse options. For example once Box comes online I'm going to re-create each Gym Leader's team and save them as Mock Battles to re-battle going forward.

    The story is pretty shallow, but the main story has never been more than the game developers escorting you moved you throughout the region on a predetermined path. I did like how involved the Gym Leaders/Elite Four was in Gen V, which I miss, and hopefully that can come back. What was fun and reminiscent of Sinnoh I think was how the story had you moving back and forth throughout the region to complete the story.

    Also, we know there are at least 3 more legendaries hidden in the code. So at least we have Gen 1 level of Legendary Pokemon.

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    Well, these are my two cents on the matter:

    The game was pretty good, but I agree when people say that the characters and the story was pretty weak, especially given how they were done in Black and White. Not bad by itself or by Pokemon standards, but definitely a step back.

    The sad part is that it wasn't that the story wasn't bad on its own, rather than it had tons of potential that was left unused. Same with the characters: we had a group of friends, each with his own dream and one is your rival, but barely anything was explored in them aside having they say what their dreams are, that the main character is awesome or that travelling with pokemon is awesome. Really, Cheren and Bianca had whole exploration of their characters, Bianca didn't even have a dream and that was used as a way to develop her, Cheren had the classic objective questioned, analyzed and finally answered. Even Barry had a bit of it in generation IV when confronting Team Galactic. Here they just pop up now and then, the rival comes as bland as well, even if he/she has a more active role. Kinda sucks, given that having a whole band was actually pretty nice.

    The story has a legendary war 3000 years ago, the king of that time as an immortal living until today, a new concept of evolution and a legend with it as well, Pokemon of life and death. Yet, the king only shows up to explain where Lyssandre is getting his weapon from, and then to see him get a happy ending. The war is barely touched until the king basically does exposition so you understand what Lyssandre is doing exactly. Mega evolution is dropped off the plot once you get it, the legend about it, the tradition in the city and its origins are all left aside.

    They really could have linked things better, I dunno, make AZ a recurring character that drops more about the war and the message of his actions more gradually, make you get to know him as part of the journey not just exposition. Involve the backstory with your travels, know a bit more about Lysandre as well, similarly how you got to know N. They could also have used Mega Evolution more, perhaps link it to the Legendaries, make it also an aim in Lyssandre's goal, so having it for yourself also is a key to beat Team Flare.

    Other thing that drew my attention was how gym leaders aside Korrina have no porpuse once again aside being Boss Battles trend they broke in gen V. That was pretty disappointing. Having the Champion have so little impact, as well, was a huge letdown, I mean in every generation he or she shows up a couple of times and has an active role (Green is your rival, Lance, Cynthia and Steven help you out, Alder guided you and your friends, etc.) When I got to her in the league I had no clue who she was, I had completely forgotten I had met her before, that insignificant it was.

    And this is a pretty personal thing, but I was really expecting the Cover Legendary (Xerneas in my case) to be faced in a signature stage, kinda like Spear Pillar or something with an atmosphere like N's castle, given the jump to 3D and all. But, battle backgrounds aside, the Flare Lab wasn't that impressive.

    Don't get me wrong, the game was by no means bad, on the opposite, it's excellent but the story could have been much much better.

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    I agree with the majority when they say that the story was severely lacking, I was really rather disappointed as I had high expectations after B/W and B2/W2...

    It was the climax of the story that really made it rubbish for me..

    I mean something like this..



    ..a final confrontation in an amazing setting (in this case spear pillar) involving the legendary and the main villain. But instead, we had the final confrontation in the enemy teams base which was made less epic in that you battle Lysandre, face the legendary (with what appears to be an improved catch rate) and then face Lysandre again. Which massively takes from that special feeling you get when in the final battle.

    Another thing that bothered me about the storyline was how useless the gym leaders were in the story and how very little development they got. Just after getting this..



    ...I fully expected the gym leaders to actually start being a part of the story and maybe even helping out every now and then, they don't have to join in with the final battle but it would be nice to see them help in the fight against a team that wants to kill them and all Pokemon.

    All in all, the story was incredibly disappointing and yeah.. that is about it really.

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    I dun think the climax of the story was the bad part...
    But I can understand how you'd think that.

    It's the story telling that took a step back. Unused potentional, missed potential, cute and heart warming characters, but nothing much else overall. The best character by FAR was Looker Shauna, and thats because she interacted the most with you besides your main rival.

    The way they told the story just plain out wasn't nearly as immersive as BW, or hell, even Sinnoh. Which really reduced my enjoyment of it overall...


    Also, I WANT to reiterate this.
    Looker side quests>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Main story. SO many freaken feels. Looker is so fleshed out it makes my heart go doki doki.

    I wouldn't have minded spending the ENTIRE game just doing quests for him. he's so much fun ;~;...
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    I wasn't disappointed by the story. I would say that it was about on par with Platinum's story which is pretty good for a Pokémon game. Certainly a step back from the magnificence that was BW/B2W2's story (and while those still remain my favorite games, I would rank XY right behind them), but that's not necessarily a bad thing since, as I said, XY's story was on the same level as Platinum's which I already thought was great.

    I do wish that the Gym Leaders could have been more characterized and that Diantha would have made more appearances, but who knows? Maybe that would have made things too cluttered. The games are already fairly long as it is.

    Team Flare's plot was great. I really enjoyed it, and Lysandre has now outranked Cyrus as my third favorite villain. I also thought that AZ was given a sufficient amount of appearances and never felt that he needed more. He serves the purpose that I think GF wanted him to.

    Obviously, being as obsessed with Pokémon mythology as I am, I would have liked for Xerneas/Yveltal to have been given more backstory (what they have now basically amounts to Lugia/Ho-Oh-level mythology, which isn't all too spectacular), but I guess I'll live. Xerneas and Yveltal are pretty cool on their own anyway. Although I am assuming that there will be more in the next games, as Zygarde still has to be explained.

    I was disappointed that Mewtwo was not involved in the plot at all, even after all of the promotion it was given. It could have been a really nice way to tie Mega Evolution into the main plot, but tacking Mewtwo onto the post-game in an otherwise-insignificant cave (with no explanation given as to how it got there or how the Mewtwonite came into existence) really makes it feel like what I had hoped it wouldn't be - a marketing gimmick. :/


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    I agree it can be compared to platinum in a lot of ways.

    Pretty region, similar plot points and similar antagonist (I think that cyrus was a bit crazyier thou...), a diverse dex...

    Arguably, I think platinum got the characters and dialouge done much better, but XY rings it's theme of understanding one another so freaken much I have to give it props for trying to teach such a thing much more openly then platinum did.

    Also yeah. Freaken mewtwo. Where da heck did he come?

    Err, I'll wait on lore opinions until future games. Only cause of the whole "new region" speculation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EmphaticPikachu View Post
    Also yeah. Freaken mewtwo. Where da heck did he come?

    Err, I'll wait on lore opinions until future games. Only cause of the whole "new region" speculation.
    Gamefreak really don't care about explaining the after-game legendaries.

    And as far as villains go for me (I don't count N):

    Lysandre>Cyrus>Colress>Ghetsis>Giovanni>Archie and Maxie>Archer
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    Quote Originally Posted by diakyu View Post
    Gamefreak really don't care about explaining the after-game legendaries.
    But they usually get at least a few lines of expository dialogue to explain their presence in the region. Kalosian Mewtwo, on the other hand, is literally just there, just like the Winged Mirages were in Kanto back in the "good old" mythologically barren days of Gen I.

    Quote Originally Posted by diakyu View Post
    And as far as villains go for me (I don't count N):

    Lysandre>Cyrus>Colress>Ghetsis>Giovanni>Archie and Maxie>Archer
    For me, it goes:

    Ghetsis > Colress > Lysandre > Cyrus > Giovanni > Archer >>> Archie/Maxie
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    Quote Originally Posted by Endolise View Post
    But they usually get at least a few lines of expository dialogue to explain their presence in the region. Kalosian Mewtwo, on the other hand, is literally just there, just like the Winged Mirages were in Kanto back in the "good old" mythologically barren days of Gen I.



    For me, it goes:

    Ghetsis > Colress > Lysandre > Cyrus > Giovanni > Archer >>> Archie/Maxie
    Whaat? No love for Archie/Maxie? And poor archer. I didn't like him, and I do love how nobody else does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by diakyu View Post
    And as far as villains go for me (I don't count N):

    Lysandre>Cyrus>Colress>Ghetsis>Giovanni>Archie and Maxie>Archer
    Quote Originally Posted by Endolise View Post
    Ghetsis > Colress > Lysandre > Cyrus > Giovanni > Archer >>> Archie/Maxie
    My personal order is

    Lysandre>Cyrus>Colress=Ghetsis>Giovanni>>>>Archie/Maxie=Archer

    Cyrus was an idealist and an extremist from the beginning. Lysandre, however, tried to create a better world with the profits he obtained from his company but failed to see any impact being made by his efforts. It was then that he resorted to more extreme measures. In a way, I like this kind of villain a lot better. I felt like he had a reason to act as extreme as he did. It built a character. Cyrus, of course, has his own backstory, but I felt that didn't beat Lysandre. Of course, if I could place N in this list, he would be far above everyone else.

    Still, I am glad that Game Freak has been providing some good villains since Gen IV (barring Archer). It really gives some nice food for thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hiss13 View Post
    My personal order is

    Lysandre>Cyrus>Colress=Ghetsis>Giovanni>>>>Archie/Maxie=Archer

    Cyrus was an idealist and an extremist from the beginning. Lysandre, however, tried to create a better world with the profits he obtained from his company but failed to see any impact being made by his efforts. It was then that he resorted to more extreme measures. In a way, I like this kind of villain a lot better. I felt like he had a reason to act as extreme as he did. It built a character. Cyrus, of course, has his own backstory, but I felt that didn't beat Lysandre. Of course, if I could place N in this list, he would be far above everyone else.

    Still, I am glad that Game Freak has been providing some good villains since Gen IV (barring Archer). It really gives some nice food for thought.
    Lysandre's a good villain then? Good, I'll look forwards even more to getting this game.
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    So what's the point to your rival? He/She doesn't even participate in Gym Battles and is just there to angst how you're the Gary of the relationship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AuraChannelerChris View Post
    So what's the point to your rival? He/She doesn't even participate in Gym Battles and is just there to angst how you're the Gary of the relationship.
    They call you a stuck up a-hole?
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    Not sure how I would rate Lysandre in the hierarchy of villains..

    Cyrus > Colress/Ghetsis > Giovanni > Lysandre/Archie/Maxie > Archer

    Yeah.. he just did not appeal to me.

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    Anybody else digging the archer hate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AuraChannelerChris View Post
    So what's the point to your rival? He/She doesn't even participate in Gym Battles and is just there to angst how you're the Gary of the relationship.
    To be your rival; i.e. a competitor in the same field.

    Personally, I find it rather refreshing to see Trainers that want to become skilled but don't do it by taking on the League.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Endolise View Post
    To be your rival; i.e. a competitor in the same field.

    Personally, I find it rather refreshing to see Trainers that want to become skilled but don't do it by taking on the League.
    It kinda is.
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    Is there anyone who loved the Looker bureau's side-quest?
    I did love it and I admit that I got a bit teary-eyed in the end, maybe thanks to Emma and her past (by they way I really want her to make a return in the future games, because I think she's an awesome character and besides she had pretty prominent role in X and Y).....
    All in all it was awesome and it made me revaluate Xerosic a bit; it seems that he wasn't that much of a bad guy, just like his boss.
    I do hope that in the future we will have side-quests as good as this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aetius View Post
    Is there anyone who loved the Looker bureau's side-quest?
    I did love it and I admit that I got a bit teary-eyed in the end, maybe thanks to Emma and her past (by they way I really want her to make a return in the future games, because I think she's an awesome character and besides she had pretty prominent role in X and Y).....
    All in all it was awesome and it made me revaluate Xerosic a bit; it seems that he wasn't that much of a bad guy, just like his boss.
    I do hope that in the future we will have side-quests as good as this one.
    While I did love the Looker Bureau missions, I would disagree with you about Xerosic. Even after the missions, I still cannot think of him as anything other than evil. He forced your character to choose between two buttons with the risk of activating the ultimate weapon, and activated it himself anyway after you had already chosen correctly. Even Malva was disgusted by his methods and felt that he was an affront to Team Flare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Endolise View Post
    While I did love the Looker Bureau missions, I would disagree with you about Xerosic. Even after the missions, I still cannot think of him as anything other than evil. He forced your character to choose between two buttons with the risk of activating the ultimate weapon, and activated it himself anyway after you had already chosen correctly. Even Malva was disgusted by his methods and felt that he was an affront to Team Flare.
    I kinda understand your point of view, but still I think that he wasn't entirely evil.
    He did his bad things, but in the end he accepted being arrested by Looker and thus decided to atone for his sins (besides he never put in danger Emma's life with his experiment, while I agree that it was really a bad thing to do).
    That's my take one this matter.
    Anyway what you liked more about the Looker bureau's side-quest?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aetius View Post
    I kinda understand your point of view, but still I think that he wasn't entirely evil.
    He did his bad things, but in the end he accepted being arrested by Looker and thus decided to atone for his sins.
    That's my take one this matter.
    Anyway what you liked more about the Looker bureau's side-quest?
    Still, simply because he pities one girl does not mean that his actions of the machine are wiped from existance.

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