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    Quote Originally Posted by Shneak View Post
    Challenged Olympia last night and got owned. Her Meowstic managed to take out most of my team (though two fainted fighting gym trainers.) So I went to Mamoswine Path and grinded a level or so and went back. Swept her with my Gourgeist. lol.

    I give her respect though, for having an awesome team and for having hands down the best gym puzzle ever.
    Alas, if only her design was as amazing as her Gym puzzle. She's one of my least favorite Kalos Gym Leaders along with Ramos and Grant, whose designs I can't get used to. I just hope karma doesn't get me when I battle them on X version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charmed View Post
    Alas, if only her design was as amazing as her Gym puzzle. She's one of my least favorite Kalos Gym Leaders along with Ramos and Grant, whose designs I can't get used to. I just hope karma doesn't get me when I battle them on X version.
    If you aren't overleveled from EXP share abuse, and if you lack a solid counter to Grant's team, you're in for a fun time. He's the only leader that gave me a difficult time (Clemont would have been just as annoying if I didn't have a few levels above him). Honedge and Braixen were my best Pokemon against him. Impressive leader for his type, to say the least.
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    I thought the gyms and gym leaders were all very well designed and fun to battle against. Favourite? It's between Wulfric & Valerie. Valerie's gym is really cool and interesting graphically and I love snow and ice themes in games full stop which is why I like Snowbell City and it's gym.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gustavo 14 View Post
    If you aren't overleveled from EXP share abuse, and if you lack a solid counter to Grant's team, you're in for a fun time. He's the only leader that gave me a difficult time (Clemont would have been just as annoying if I didn't have a few levels above him). Honedge and Braixen were my best Pokemon against him. Impressive leader for his type, to say the least.
    And even with a solid counter he can be a pain. I was using Honedge and Pancham against him and his Tyrunt's Stomp made Pancham flinch every damn time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackwingMarauder View Post
    No, Diantha isn't a freaking Beauty queen fairy princess. She is a famous Actress and strong trainer which was said in game. Yes most people are still butt-hurt about Diantha being the Champion and all, but at least she isn't Iris. That was a big mistake, they should have left the Champion as Alder in BW2. I am actually warming up to Diantha her Battle theme is amazing and well done And her team is pretty great (Except for Hawlucha and Gourgeist...) But her only flaw is this- Steel weakness. Aurorus is 4x weak to Steel, Tyrantrum and Gardevoir are weak to steel. And then you just need a Fairy type and Fire type to destroy Hawlucha, Goodra, and Gourgeist. So Diantha's only flaw as Champion is really her lack of Diverse Pokemon types.
    Hey, Lance back in G/S/C/HG/SS used all flying types, three of which were the exact same pokemon. Literally you could take down his entire team with a rock-type move. Diantha is pretty diverse in comparison.

    And don't be hating on Hawlucha. The little guy is a monster.
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    As far as gym puzzles go, I really liked just about all of them, especially Wulfric's. I'm mainly just happy they didn't copy BW2's theme of 'just battle every trainer to make it to the Leader'. The only one I didn't really like was Valerie's as it was basically a glossy version of Sabrina's. A small touch I liked on each of them though was that they all had their own little personalized exits from the Gym Leader to the front of the gym (especially Ramos and Viola's!).


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    I really like the type variation in the League this time around, never had Emerald so a Water specialist is a first for me. However I've never found the league much of a challenge since R/B/Y where in Red it took me 10+ attempts to finally beat it for the first time, those Golbat and Gengar! Only trouble this time around was the stale mate between mine and the Steel guys Aegislash.

    However visually this league was great. Looking forward to the re-battles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LokiTheGengar View Post
    Hey, Lance back in G/S/C/HG/SS used all flying types, three of which were the exact same pokemon. Literally you could take down his entire team with a rock-type move. Diantha is pretty diverse in comparison.

    And don't be hating on Hawlucha. The little guy is a monster.
    Hawlucha is great but doesn't really fit her team. Goodra, Gardevoir, Gourgeist, and Aurorus fit her perfectly. They should have given her Gardevoir, Aurorus, Gourgeist, Goodra, Florges, and Female Pyroar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackwingMarauder View Post
    Hawlucha is great but doesn't really fit her team. Goodra, Gardevoir, Gourgeist, and Aurorus fit her perfectly. They should have given her Gardevoir, Aurorus, Gourgeist, Goodra, Florges, and Female Pyroar.
    Maybe it's an image of her as a graceful, dancing actress and yet a roughin', tootin' Pokémon champion.

    Or maybe she just had fun with it.

    Iunno, it was an easy bird to fry. Although IMHO, it's just about as out of place as Cynthia's Spiritomb.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackwingMarauder View Post
    No, Diantha isn't a freaking Beauty queen fairy princess. She is a famous Actress and strong trainer which was said in game. Yes most people are still butt-hurt about Diantha being the Champion and all, but at least she isn't Iris. That was a big mistake, they should have left the Champion as Alder in BW2. I am actually warming up to Diantha her Battle theme is amazing and well done And her team is pretty great (Except for Hawlucha and Gourgeist...) But her only flaw is this- Steel weakness. Aurorus is 4x weak to Steel, Tyrantrum and Gardevoir are weak to steel. And then you just need a Fairy type and Fire type to destroy Hawlucha, Goodra, and Gourgeist. So Diantha's only flaw as Champion is really her lack of Diverse Pokemon types.
    It's not about being "butt-hurt" or anything (I really hate that termology), it's that many found he to be disappointing and uninteresting, that's really about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Xaby View Post
    Iunno, it was an easy bird to fry. Although IMHO, it's just about as out of place as Cynthia's Spiritomb.
    Spiritomb makes sense due to her being an archeologist.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Taodragon View Post
    Spiritomb makes sense due to her being an archeologist.
    Woah, Cynthia is an Archeologist? Didn't know that

    Maybe Hawlucha is just as out of Place as her Gastrodon in Diamond and Pearl.
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    Obviously, the Champion is secretly a wrestler for having a Hawlucha.

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    why does the Champion use a 500 BST Pokemon

    game confirmed to be sh*t

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    Quote Originally Posted by Excitable Boy View Post
    why does the Champion use a 500 BST Pokemon

    game confirmed to be sh*t
    Blue confirmed as worst Champion for using a 479 BST Pidgeot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gustavo 14 View Post
    Blue confirmed as worst Champion for using a 479 BST Pidgeot.
    Red confirmed as worst Champion for using a 320 BST Pikachu.

    (Even if you don't count him, Cynthia's Gastrodon has a BST of 475)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blazios View Post
    Red confirmed as worst Champion for using a 320 BST Pikachu.

    (Even if you don't count him, Cynthia's Gastrodon has a BST of 475)
    Ouch, how did I forget that? And I remember Wallace has a 468 BST Whiscash, but now I'm getting this further off-topic than it needs to be.

    But on the topic of Champion teams, it was interesting seeing both fossils being used on her team, since Steven was the only other one to do that. Hoenn confirmed
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackwingMarauder View Post
    Hawlucha is great but doesn't really fit her team. Goodra, Gardevoir, Gourgeist, and Aurorus fit her perfectly. They should have given her Gardevoir, Aurorus, Gourgeist, Goodra, Florges, and Female Pyroar.
    Pyroar would've been redundant since Malva uses one (even if hers was male). I like Diantha's overall team to be honest, with the exception of Tyrantrum. Now that's a Pokemon that looks out of place among its peers. I could tolerate Hawlucha since it's kind of cute imo, but Tyrantrum looks like it could murder someone. That ain't cute.

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    Are the elite four names even released yet? Wouldnt that be a spoiler?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 122 View Post
    Are the elite four names even released yet? Wouldnt that be a spoiler?
    Seeming most people have played/are playing the games, why is there a need to spoiler them? We have to talk about this stuff somewhere, it's not our fault if people get spoiled at this point haha!


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    Looking at past Champions, especially the last 2(Cynthia/Alder), I was disapointed with Diantha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vintrial View Post
    Looking at past Champions, especially the last 2(Cynthia/Alder), I was disapointed with Diantha.
    You forgot that Iris was the last Champion before Diantha... I was disappointed when Iris was Champion :| She shouldn't have even been a Gym Leader, she doesn't have the right...Gym Leader or Champion look. I gotta admit though, I Loved her Champion theme.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackwingMarauder View Post
    You forgot that Iris was the last Champion before Diantha... I was disappointed when Iris was Champion :| She shouldn't have even been a Gym Leader, she doesn't have the right...Gym Leader or Champion look. I gotta admit though, I Loved her Champion theme.
    Why doesn't she have "the right?" The game places her in a mentee role and through that it makes sense she'd take over the gym on certain occasions due to that training. On top of that, the game also built her up as a up and coming trainer with Drayden seeing a lot of potential in her so her going for the Champion position does make sense in that regard. Whether she was a successful challenge as the champion or team well built is another matter, but for how the story handled her, I'd say she had "the right."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Taodragon View Post
    Why doesn't she have "the right?" The game places her in a mentee role and through that it makes sense she'd take over the gym on certain occasions due to that training. On top of that, the game also built her up as a up and coming trainer with Drayden seeing a lot of potential in her so her going for the Champion position does make sense in that regard. Whether she was a successful challenge as the champion or team well built is another matter, but for how the story handled her, I'd say she had "the right."
    No you got it wrong I said she didn't have the right LOOKS to be a Champion. Yeah she played a main role and training for champion thing. But I would hav rather had Alder as the Champion, he fit Champion much better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackwingMarauder View Post
    No you got it wrong I said she didn't have the right LOOKS to be a Champion. Yeah she played a main role and training for champion thing. But I would hav rather had Alder as the Champion, he fit Champion much better.
    Looks are in the eye of the beholder and is completely subjective, that's not a good reason to write her off as a Gym Leader or Champion in and of itself, especially considering how varied in design the groups happen to be and how in most other aspects she fit the roles given to her. Her looks may be different, but that doesn't negate the character and storyline that was put into making her a Gym Leader or Champion.

    And IIRC, there seemed to be a theme of the young surpassing the old ideals so storywise it made sense why he didn't keep the position.
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    I'm gonna come right out and say that these were my least liked set of Gym Leaders and Elite Four...

    Truly, the only Gym Leader who had any if any at all bearing on the plot was Korrina and the whole successor thing felt awfully weak to me considering how easy it was to defeat her and then she totally disappeared from the plot after that, even though they supposedly gave her a "big role".

    I guess this wouldn't be that bad if it weren't for the fact that in Unova we had the Gym Leaders get involved with almost every aspect of Team Plasma when they did something in their towns- yet, Team Flare attacks the Poke-Ball Factory not even 2 yards away from Lavarre City and Valerie does nothing? It felt like they basically upgraded what the did in every game prior to BW by having some Gym Leaders play key roles in the plot but most definitely not all.

    To sum up my true feelings for the Gym Leaders it would have to be:

    Viola- Easiest Gym Leader to beat in the entire game, even if she was the first she should have still given us some sort of challenge... Appeared out of her Gym at the Battle Chateau but did nothing significant for the plot

    Grant- Appeared out of his Gym once... And that was to tell us that he had already won the Cycling Race we had no idea nor cared about- he was super easy to beat for me, I don't know about other people though. My main problem with him was that Team Flare was right outside his Gym in the next route yet he did nothing =_=

    Korrina- Truly the best handled Gym Leader of them all... She appeared multiple times in the story, so many in fact that I actually cared to battle her in her Gym- even though it was the third one which was very anti-climatic imo, she should have been like the 7th or 8th with her being this really important penultimate successor, but my problem with her was that she didn't help me against Team Flare even though she knew what they were doing...

    Ramos- Wow... I have nothing to say... Worst Gym Leader yet in any game post-BW... I just battled him in his Gym and there was nothing after that... If there's a sequel or a third version or whatever I hope he is replaced with someone with more plot relevance

    Clemont- I kinda liked him??? Not just cause he's joining Ash on his journey or whatever but also cause he seemed like a cool character, wish they expanded more on him and his personality quirks though... And I wish he would have had more of a role with us against Team Flare in Lysandre Labs

    Valerie- Didn't like her- Thought she was an alien- she makes me clothes- they probably have alien eggs inside of them... Yeah but seriously, I didn't like how she practically ignored that Team Flare had taken over the Poke-Ball Factory it was basically a rehash of Sabrina and Team Rocket, just saying

    Olympia- If it wasn't for the awesome layout of her Gym then I would never even know that she existed- like, that's how plain she was to me... Like her team was okay but I defeated her with almost no effort, it was like she was invented to just be the "7th Gym Leader" and not a real character in the games.

    Wulfric-... What can I say? He looks like Santa Claus... That's cool. He was an alright final Gym Leader- didn't really care that he was there but he got me my 8th badge so I guess he was cool ( pun intended). I love how they inserted the whole Poke-Village thing to make him seem like he appeared out of his Gym to make him relevant or whatever, but he wasn't.

    The Elite Four...

    Malva- I love her- she is the only reason that the Elite Four in these games interest me, I love dominant women who think their the ****. And she used to be a part of Team Flare? YES. Like, I love her, no one can tell me any different.

    Wikstrom-He was alright, didn't challenge me at all when I battled him but I liked the whole Knight thing, it fitted the castle they were in.

    Siebold-He came off as a spoiled rich brat to me, I didn't really enjoy his character and he was just a bit too refined for my taste.

    Drasna- The dullest of all the Elite Four. Nothing good to say about her, nothing bad.

    Diantha-Didnt like that she was bald-headed, but okay. Unlike many others: I didn't know she was champion, I didn't like her at all, she was a bit annoying, and she seemed like a Cynthia-clone that went wrong but I guess that fits with the whole DNA thing for XY, huh? :/

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