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    Quote Originally Posted by Vasarto View Post
    IMO the gym leaders in this game are really weak this time. Like more so than ever.

    Its like they make them weaker every game so that more children whom are even younger than the last generation can easily beat them.

    I want a pokemon game that actually FEELS like a challenge. Like pokemon designed to be built on a level scale. So that no matter what level your pokemon (unless max level) they are always like 5-10 levels higher than your highest level pokemon you carry with you. Plus all of them are a much well balanced team and stuff. Like Higher teir pokemon and either they need to have game modified boosted stats or be the highest evolution. Like their pokemon has double stats what is possible for a pokemon of that evolution to have to make up for the fact its not fully evolved and to make it special.
    Same here, and same with basically the entire competitive play community. Really I can't enjoy the game to the fullest because it's just too easy, so I grind up a team and start playing competitively, over wi-fi, tournaments, etc; If the game was harder, it'd give many people a reason to return to the game instead of using online simulators and just wi-fi battling in the previous gen. I want a game where your pokemon will actually all die and you'll have to black out, not a game where you can just walk into the elite four with a couple trained pokemon and leave victorious on your first try. Of course then the 4-year olds couldn't play this game them, so why not put different difficulties in? At the beginning of the game, you can choose from Easy, Normal, Hard, or Expert, and after you beat Expert, you unlock Expert+ or something, an insane difficulty of the game where excessive grinding is required. (Like in Fire Emblem: Awakening. That game has the difficulty factor right) And don't say this would be to difficult. It's basically the same game, just bump up all the levels of the pokemon and make them more intelligent. Many games, including Fire Emblem: Awakening (probably my favorite game on 3ds) have done it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mudkipz_Lulz View Post
    I think so many people are saying it was easy cause they made it easy. If you didn't use three starters, a Kalos, Kanto, and Trochic, and you didn't use EXP share, than it was relatively hard. My team was Greninja, Hawlucha, Goodra, Lapras, Aegislah, and Aurorus and after becoming champ they were all 61 or 62. A decent challenge, though the champion was easier than ever. I swords danced my hawlucha and had his unburden ability kick in.... sweep you very much!
    This is very much true.

    I had the Exp. Share on until Korrina, and I still had problems with Grant and Clemont, and now that I'm at semi-normal Levels again, my Pokémon are actually getting beaten instead of OHKOing everything.
    Although, that may have to do with the difficulty spike that happens between Lumiose and Laverre.
    Not using Torchic or the Kanto Starter doesn't neccessarily make things harder, as my current Pokémon generally deal better with Pokémon than they do, but eh.

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    - A Kanto Starter to give you coverage for the Starter you picked + Mega Stone
    - EV stuff is open to you right from the start
    - Alexa likes a total stranger so much she gives you an Exp. Share (which by all means should've been a post-game item instead)
    - You're the only normal idiot who can make his Pokemon go Super Saiyan in the middle of a fight and nobody calls you out for that. Just giggle!
    - The game does everything in its power to give you quite a lot of options in Pokemon between the first and the second Gym
    - The Gym Leaders will never go beyond 3 Pokemon while the Elite Four only have, shockers, four Pokemon instead of six
    - The Battle Chateau is literally your Peninsula of Power Leveling right after the first Gym
    - Pokemon-amie battle effects breaks the game even further so you must be an (censored) to your Pokemon till you beat the league
    - HYPER POTIONS AFTER THE SECOND GYM!
    - Diantha is a pansy who can't bother to make a good team but does bother to be a TV star, which gives people the impression that being the League Champion is just a side-hobby she doesn't take great pride of
    - Extra: Shame on you if you're using that Speed Boost Torchic from the start, which is the ONLY ability that can make its whole line broken...oh, and it gets boosted experience

    Yeah... This game hand-holds you a little too much. I'm assuming the devs wanted people to rotate Pokemon a lot...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AuraChannelerChris View Post
    - A Kanto Starter to give you coverage for the Starter you picked + Mega Stone
    - EV stuff is open to you right from the start
    - Alexa likes a total stranger so much she gives you an Exp. Share (which by all means should've been a post-game item instead)
    - You're the only normal idiot who can make his Pokemon go Super Saiyan in the middle of a fight and nobody calls you out for that. Just giggle!
    - The game does everything in its power to give you quite a lot of options in Pokemon between the first and the second Gym
    - The Gym Leaders will never go beyond 3 Pokemon while the Elite Four only have, shockers, four Pokemon instead of six
    - The Battle Chateau is literally your Peninsula of Power Leveling right after the first Gym
    - Pokemon-amie battle effects breaks the game even further so you must be an (censored) to your Pokemon till you beat the league
    - HYPER POTIONS AFTER THE SECOND GYM!
    - Diantha is a pansy who can't bother to make a good team but does bother to be a TV star, which gives people the impression that being the League Champion is just a side-hobby she doesn't take great pride of
    - Extra: Shame on you if you're using that Speed Boost Torchic from the start, which is the ONLY ability that can make its whole line broken...oh, and it gets boosted experience

    Yeah... This game hand-holds you a little too much. I'm assuming the devs wanted people to rotate Pokemon a lot...
    That doesn't sound like hand holding it sounds like its giving you a variety of options aside from the # pokemon thing.

    You want power? Bang check out the chataeu which isn't really that much tougher and you have real-world wait time unlike the peninsula of power was but whatever i guess
    Don't want to grind a large amount? Here you go have an exp share
    check out all these pokemon you can choose use whoever! (first time i've seen "plethora of options" as a "handholding" negative)
    hey using a pokemon with a ton of power but WANT MORE just gonna put these right here

    also the "after the first gym" and "after the second gym" thing dont hold a ton of weight considering gym 2 is roughly where a gym 3 would be in other games (maybe even a gym 4??)

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    Quote Originally Posted by R_N View Post
    also the "after the first gym" and "after the second gym" thing dont hold a ton of weight considering gym 2 is roughly where a gym 3 would be in other games (maybe even a gym 4??)
    Not to mention by the time you're fighting Grant, he's already bringing out the Hyper Potions. As minor as that might have been, that caught my eye instantly. That's basically Gym 4 in Johto, without two totally useless extra Pokemon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gustavo 14 View Post
    Not to mention by the time you're fighting Grant, he's already bringing out the Hyper Potions. As minor as that might have been, that caught my eye instantly. That's basically Gym 4 in Johto, without two totally useless extra Pokemon.
    Well, Grant's Pokémon were Level 25, and so were Morty's Gengar, Fantina's Mismagius in Pt (although Level 26), Burgh's Leavanny and Elesa's Zebstrika in BW (Lv 23 and Lv 27 respectively), and Burgh's Leavanny in B2W2, so Grant was about an average 3rd Gym Leader.

    But, then again, remember that the Gyms were generally higher Levelled than before, especially Wulfric, who'se Level 59 Avalugg is the highest Levelled Pokémon of a Gym Leader's first Battle ever, while Giovanni's Rhydon in Yellow and Marlon's Jellicent in Challenge Mode B2W2 were both Level 55.

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    The reason why the gym leaders and elite four were so easy was because of the EXP share giving everyone experience. It HAS to be.

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    I wouldn't say that the game hand-holds, but it does give you a ton of abusable options even ignoring the Exp. Share which on top of the lowered difficulty of the Gym Leaders/Elite Four (ex. a Ghost type completely walls Korrina in her gym battle as none of her Pokémon can attack it) makes the experience feel easier then previous games. Exp. Share sure as hell doesn't help, but it's not the only problem here when it came to balancing out the game.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dirkac View Post
    Well, Grant's Pokémon were Level 25, and so were Morty's Gengar, Fantina's Mismagius in Pt (although Level 26), Burgh's Leavanny and Elesa's Zebstrika in BW (Lv 23 and Lv 27 respectively), and Burgh's Leavanny in B2W2, so Grant was about an average 3rd Gym Leader.

    But, then again, remember that the Gyms were generally higher Levelled than before, especially Wulfric, who'se Level 59 Avalugg is the highest Levelled Pokémon of a Gym Leader's first Battle ever, while Giovanni's Rhydon in Yellow and Marlon's Jellicent in Challenge Mode B2W2 were both Level 55.
    Yeah, I know, I'm just addressing the "maybe even 4th gym" part of his post. Nothing more than that, which I still find mildly impressive for Grant (despite the massive gap in between Santalune and Cyllage), aside from everything else about these gyms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gustavo 14 View Post
    Yeah, I know, I'm just addressing the "maybe even 4th gym" part of his post. Nothing more than that, which I still find mildly impressive, aside from everything else about these gyms.
    K, the only 4th Gym to which he corresponds is Elesa in BW, though.

    I was just suggesting that since all Gyms have higher Levels, they can't really be compared with the older ones, since the entire Levelling curve is different.

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    It doesn't matter how high their levels are because you will be roughly close to theirs anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirkac View Post
    K, the only 4th Gym to which he corresponds is Elesa in BW, though.

    I was just suggesting that since all Gyms have higher Levels, they can't really be compared with the older ones, since the entire Levelling curve is different.
    But...Morty's Gengar? I know the leveling curve is different in this game. Regardless, I'm talking strictly about the levels, which I think can readily be compared to other games if we're strictly on that basis. I'm not trying to imply anything else about the levels, other than the numbers. Making an observation about that in comparison to older games doesn't really seem something worth a dispute, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gustavo 14 View Post
    But...Morty's Gengar? I know the leveling curve is different in this game. Regardless, I'm talking strictly about the levels, which I think can readily be compared to other games if we're strictly on that basis. I'm not trying to imply anything else about the levels, other than the numbers. Making an observation about that in comparison to older games doesn't really seem something worth a dispute, though.
    Forgot about typing him, but if it were to compare, Viola would be an average 1st Leader, Grant an average 3-4th Leader, Korrina and Ramos an avergae 4-5th Leader, Clemont an average 5-7th Leader, Valerie and average 6-8th Leader, Olympia an average 7-8th Leader, and Wulfric far above regular Leaders, crossing into Elite Four Levels.

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    In my opinion, the gym leaders kept getting weirder and weirder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jirachi2 View Post
    In my opinion, the gym leaders kept getting weirder and weirder.
    If we're talking about weird here, Valerie takes the cake and sprinkles it with fairy dust.

    Those bug eyes of her are NOT natural.

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    Yet, she was probably the strongest gym leader in the game. :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by AuraChannelerChris View Post
    If we're talking about weird here, Valerie takes the cake and sprinkles it with fairy dust.

    Those bug eyes of her are NOT natural.
    Perhaps she wears sunglasses designed to fit upon the eye?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AuraChannelerChris View Post
    If we're talking about weird here, Valerie takes the cake and sprinkles it with fairy dust.

    Those bug eyes of her are NOT natural.
    Not only Valerie, Olympia was just as weird.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jirachi2 View Post
    In my opinion, the gym leaders kept getting weirder and weirder.
    I kind of agree, but it's not a bad thing imo. I thought Clemont and Valerie were some of the weirdest Gym Leaders to date, but I grew to like them. I'm still not a fan of Grant, Ramos, and Olympia though, although I suppose I should congratulate Game Freak for thinking outside the box and designing some interesting-looking Gym Leaders in Gen 6.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jirachi2 View Post
    Not only Valerie, Olympia was just as weird.
    She just has a starry cape, how is that weird :/

    IMO, Sabrina, Marlon and Clemont were the strangest Leaders, but, to each their own, I guess.


    My Favorite Kalos Leader remains to be Viola, though, for having Surskit, and being a Bug Type Specialist :3
    I quite like Grant, Valerie and Ramos too, though.

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    About Elite Four: I was surprised when I faced the elite 4 a SECOND time and they were the same lvls. In the Unova league, they went up about 20 levels, why change it back?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jirachi2 View Post
    About Elite Four: I was surprised when I faced the elite 4 a SECOND time and they were the same lvls. In the Unova league, they went up about 20 levels, why change it back?
    Yes, it is indeed sad and disappointing. Most of us are also expecting rematches, but we didn't get any. Our only hope is the third game/s.

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    We technically did get rematches though with the chateau. I just want them to stop with the E4 having 4 Pokemon all of the same levels, it was much better when the challenge got tougher as you went on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocky505 View Post
    We technically did get rematches though with the chateau. I just want them to stop with the E4 having 4 Pokemon all of the same levels, it was much better when the challenge got tougher as you went on.
    Yeah, but the teams are still very small compared to previous games (3 vs. 6 for the E4 and 4 vs. 6 for the champion) and they're random occurrences among a slew of other trainers so it's not as effective as previous examples.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jirachi2 View Post
    About Elite Four: I was surprised when I faced the elite 4 a SECOND time and they were the same lvls. In the Unova league, they went up about 20 levels, why change it back?
    I'm assuming that Game Freak kept the E4's Pokemon's levels the same during the rematches at the Pokemon League because their teams were already powerful (iirc, their Pokemon were all around level 60). I suppose Game Freak couldn't be bothered to upgrade the E4's Pokemon's levels for fear that they would be too difficult to beat or something.

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